ASoIAF/Game of Thrones general Discussion Thread

[Ethel mermania]

Also, Tyrion is really a Targaryen, the Mad King's son with Tywin's wife, which explains him getting along with the dragons.

Please done make that canon, i really do not want that canon

Mrs mermania has been calling that one since he said he had dreams of dragons as a child.


Do we need to spoiler our predictions of the future of the series?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Please done make that canon, i really do not want that canon

Mrs mermania has been calling that one since he said he had dreams of dragons as a child.


Do we need to spoiler our predictions of the future of the series?

Nah not really.


Well Mrs Mermania is hopefully wrong.

[Ethel mermania]

Mrs mermania has been calling that one since he said he had dreams of dragons as a child.


Do we need to spoiler our predictions of the future of the series?

Nah not really.


Well Mrs Mermania is hopefully wrong.

Me too, I am rooting for Bron, but he is to likeable so he must die.

[Baltenstein]

Edit: I started typing and a rant fell out of my brain. I am sorry.

So I've been going over the show and I think I finally realized why I've pretty much turned on it. Any sort of logic, rules, or coherency is overshadowed by the monolithic force connecting moments to other moments. Resources, powers, rules, and time and space will be shoved out of the way to get one moment to the next moment. It's why littlefinger has a jetpack, it's how Highgarden was stuffed full of enough treasure to pay back the iron bank but had no army to speak of, it's the power Asha used to casually steal a thousand ships, it's the power Euron had to say "get me another thousands ships" and then that just happened, it's what holds off the army that never sleeps eats or needs a break until protagonists arrive to have their moment.

Who knows that Jon died? It seems like everyone either doesn't care resurrection is real, or doesn't care that he deserted the nights watch and broke his vows. I thought both of those things mattered? Hell I don't know if anything matters now. Does food matter? It mattered for a little bit. I mean as a concept, because feeding a giant army of horses and their riders has been beneath notice until the Lannisters took all the food in Highgarden somehow. Why doesn't anyone take Jon to task for taking Ramsay's bait and losing the battle of the bastards until Littlefinger showed up? I thought that would matter because he was being looked at as an unproven leader and the moment he was tested he ran alone directly towards a hostile army. What about inheritance? It should have been a huge deal Rickon was alive, presuming they still think Bran's dead he is the actual heir of Winterfell and the people standing loyally behind House Stark should be the most interested in. What about public opinion?

Remember when people hating you was a big deal? Despite the threat of death a crowd threw shit on Joffrey, tried to rape Sansa, and quite literally tore the High Septon limb from limb? Apparently after being publicly shamed you can skip your incest trial, murder the horrifically popular leader of a flagellant cult, murder the beloved queen of the realm, murder the head of your family, and blow up the most holy site in the country and then crown yourself queen and then just do all the incest you want. So there are no lower lords off screen going "fuck this I'm out," there are no Lannister Bannermen going "oh shit she killed Kevan," there aren't townspeople with torches and pitchforks ready to fling some more shit. It was actually a thing that people loved the Tyrells and hated the Lannisters and characters moderated their actions based on that mattering.

Cersei takes power, Jon becomes King in the North, Danaerys' girl power alliance falls apart. These are moments, they're the only things the show actually cares about and whatever has to happen to get to the next one will. Even if it makes no fucking sense. As the next season approaches I am prepared for surprises, not because the writers have a talent for keeping me guessing but because I genuinely believe they're capable of doing anything.

Add to this that the entire kingdom of Dorne is literally just a crazy woman of common birth and 3 brats. They assume complete and undisputed control of the country simply by murdering its ruling house (which was also related to them, thus commiting both kingslaying and kinslaying), and as soon as the 4 of them get killed, Dorne stops existing as a country altogether, no competing noble houses, no armies, no other individual characters, nothing.

Remember when Robb Stark had to negotiate half a season just to use a bloody bridge - and his foolishness on that matter led to his death and the destruction of his army because GRRM wanted to make a point that even small personal decisions can have grave consequences in the long term? A couple of seasons later, Ramsay feeds his Frey stepmother to his dogs simply for the evils and Walder Frey doesn't even mention it.

[Ethel mermania]

Edit: I started typing and a rant fell out of my brain. I am sorry.

So I've been going over the show and I think I finally realized why I've pretty much turned on it. Any sort of logic, rules, or coherency is overshadowed by the monolithic force connecting moments to other moments. Resources, powers, rules, and time and space will be shoved out of the way to get one moment to the next moment. It's why littlefinger has a jetpack, it's how Highgarden was stuffed full of enough treasure to pay back the iron bank but had no army to speak of, it's the power Asha used to casually steal a thousand ships, it's the power Euron had to say "get me another thousands ships" and then that just happened, it's what holds off the army that never sleeps eats or needs a break until protagonists arrive to have their moment.

Who knows that Jon died? It seems like everyone either doesn't care resurrection is real, or doesn't care that he deserted the nights watch and broke his vows. I thought both of those things mattered? Hell I don't know if anything matters now. Does food matter? It mattered for a little bit. I mean as a concept, because feeding a giant army of horses and their riders has been beneath notice until the Lannisters took all the food in Highgarden somehow. Why doesn't anyone take Jon to task for taking Ramsay's bait and losing the battle of the bastards until Littlefinger showed up? I thought that would matter because he was being looked at as an unproven leader and the moment he was tested he ran alone directly towards a hostile army. What about inheritance? It should have been a huge deal Rickon was alive, presuming they still think Bran's dead he is the actual heir of Winterfell and the people standing loyally behind House Stark should be the most interested in. What about public opinion?

Remember when people hating you was a big deal? Despite the threat of death a crowd threw shit on Joffrey, tried to rape Sansa, and quite literally tore the High Septon limb from limb? Apparently after being publicly shamed you can skip your incest trial, murder the horrifically popular leader of a flagellant cult, murder the beloved queen of the realm, murder the head of your family, and blow up the most holy site in the country and then crown yourself queen and then just do all the incest you want. So there are no lower lords off screen going "fuck this I'm out," there are no Lannister Bannermen going "oh shit she killed Kevan," there aren't townspeople with torches and pitchforks ready to fling some more shit. It was actually a thing that people loved the Tyrells and hated the Lannisters and characters moderated their actions based on that mattering.

Cersei takes power, Jon becomes King in the North, Danaerys' girl power alliance falls apart. These are moments, they're the only things the show actually cares about and whatever has to happen to get to the next one will. Even if it makes no fucking sense. As the next season approaches I am prepared for surprises, not because the writers have a talent for keeping me guessing but because I genuinely believe they're capable of doing anything.

Add to this that the entire kingdom of Dorne is literally just a crazy woman of common birth and 3 brats. They assume complete and undisputed control of the country simply by murdering its ruling house (which was also related to them, thus commiting both kingslaying and kinslaying), and as soon as the 4 of them get killed, Dorne stops existing as a country altogether, no competing noble houses, no armies, no other individual characters, nothing.

Remember when Robb Stark had to negotiate half a season just to use a bloody bridge - and his foolishness on that matter led to his death and the destruction of his army because GRRM wanted to make a point that even small decisions can have grave consequences in the long term? A couple of seasons later, Ramsay feeds his Frey stepmother to his dogs simply for the evils and Walder Frey doesn't even mention it.

The plot is done with them, they can go back to the beach and make wine.

[Des-Bal]

Add to this that the entire kingdom of Dorne is literally just a crazy woman of common birth and 3 brats. They assume complete and undisputed control of the country simply by murdering its ruling house (which was also related to them, thus commiting both kingslaying and kinslaying), and as soon as the 4 of them get killed, Dorne stops existing as a country altogether, no competing noble houses, no armies, no other individual characters, nothing.

Remember when Robb Stark had to negotiate half a season just to use a bloody bridge - and his foolishness on that matter led to his death and the destruction of his army because GRRM wanted to make a point that even small personal decisions can have grave consequences in the long term? A couple of seasons later, Ramsay feeds his Frey stepmother to his dogs simply for the evils and Walder Frey doesn't even mention it.

I had to redact Dorne from the rant, it just got to be too much. The Sand Snakes plan to avenge and get jutice for Oberyn started with killing his sibling and newphew, that is the exact fucking thing that he fought the Mountain over! Any aspiring writers: if you have a character's plan for avenging someone who died seeking justice for their murdered family starts with wiping out their family maybe take your crazy pills and try again in a few hours.

Frankly the whole thing with the Sand Snakes, Olenna, Yara, and Daenarys teaming up felt like a token girl power thing to make up for the flak they caught after Sansa was raped in the previous season.

"Weak men will never rule Dorne again, yeah! Women on top, rah rah rah! Heat died down yet? Invalidate and remove their contributions, Daenarys has too much stuff."

It seems pretty obvious it wasn't a well reasoned artistic decision because having two of the greatest armies and the greatest navy in all of Westeros didn't really seem to do anything to benefit Daenarys before all of it's shuffled out the door. All of Highgarden is defeated without fanfare but at least Olenna isn't forced to share a hasty exunt like Yara and the Sand Snakes who both get neutralized in the same badly lit battle.

[Ethel mermania]

Add to this that the entire kingdom of Dorne is literally just a crazy woman of common birth and 3 brats. They assume complete and undisputed control of the country simply by murdering its ruling house (which was also related to them, thus commiting both kingslaying and kinslaying), and as soon as the 4 of them get killed, Dorne stops existing as a country altogether, no competing noble houses, no armies, no other individual characters, nothing.

Remember when Robb Stark had to negotiate half a season just to use a bloody bridge - and his foolishness on that matter led to his death and the destruction of his army because GRRM wanted to make a point that even small personal decisions can have grave consequences in the long term? A couple of seasons later, Ramsay feeds his Frey stepmother to his dogs simply for the evils and Walder Frey doesn't even mention it.

I had to redact Dorne from the rant, it just got to be too much. The Sand Snakes plan to avenge and get jutice for Oberyn started with killing his sibling and newphew, that is the exact fucking thing that he fought the Mountain over! Any aspiring writers: if you have a character's plan for avenging someone who died seeking justice for their murdered family starts with wiping out their family maybe take your crazy pills and try again in a few hours.

Frankly the whole thing with the Sand Snakes, Olenna, Yara, and Daenarys teaming up felt like a token girl power thing to make up for the flak they caught after Sansa was raped in the previous season.

"Weak men will never rule Dorne again, yeah! Women on top, rah rah rah! Heat died down yet? Invalidate and remove their contributions, Daenarys has too much stuff."

It seems pretty obvious it wasn't a well reasoned artistic decision because having two of the greatest armies and the greatest navy in all of Westeros didn't really seem to do anything to benefit Daenarys before all of it's shuffled out the door. All of Highgarden is defeated without fanfare but at least Olenna isn't forced to share a hasty exunt like Yara and the Sand Snakes who both get neutralized in the same badly lit battle.

The books handled dorne better, agreed.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Also, Tyrion is really a Targaryen, the Mad King's son with Tywin's wife, which explains him getting along with the dragons.

Please done make that canon, i really do not want that canon

Incestuous three-way between Jon, Tyrion, and Dany confirmed for next season.

[Infected Mushroom]

Littlefinger vs Light Yagami (Death Note)

who would win?

Let's say

Round 1: In Westeros (with Light as Hand of the King in Ned's shoes)

Round 2: Littlefinger takes on the mantle of L and is charged with taking charge of the Kira investigation (he can decide to try and steal the notebook for his own agenda)

[Des-Bal]

The single most important question in all of Westeros: What's up with Podric Payne and his staff of power?

I assumed Tyrion payed them in advance and heaped on a little extra to give Pod the gold back and to tell everyone his dick was Azor Ahai reborn. When I saw the scene it seemed like the most intuitive explanation and when Ros explained to Varys that the girls were incapable of describing anything specific that he did I thought that was an indicator I was on the right track but I don't think it ever came up again.

[Andsed]

Please done make that canon, i really do not want that canon

Incestuous three-way between Jon, Tyrion, and Dany confirmed for next season.

I swear the Targaryens are like the Hapsburgs of game of thrones when it comes to incest. But anyways with the final season coming up I'm rooting for Jon Snow. I just feel like he is the only leader that actually understands the threat of the white walkers and what needs to be done.

[Auristania]

The single most important question in all of Westeros: What's up with Podric Payne and his staff of power?

I assumed Tyrion payed them in advance and heaped on a little extra to give Pod the gold back and to tell everyone his dick was Azor Ahai reborn. When I saw the scene it seemed like the most intuitive explanation and when Ros explained to Varys that the girls were incapable of describing anything specific that he did I thought that was an indicator I was on the right track but I don't think it ever came up again.

[Infected Mushroom]

Incestuous three-way between Jon, Tyrion, and Dany confirmed for next season.

I swear the Targaryens are like the Hapsburgs of game of thrones when it comes to incest. But anyways with the final season coming up I'm rooting for Jon Snow. I just feel like he is the only leader that actually understands the threat of the white walkers and what needs to be done.

but he knows nothing

[The Huskar Social Union]

Oh fuck i forgot to link the trailer here


like you have all seen it at this stage bue fuck it here it is again



Im looking forward to this.

[Infected Mushroom]

Oh fuck i forgot to link the trailer here


like you have all seen it at this stage bue fuck it here it is again



Im looking forward to this.

Jaime has a beard again

[The Huskar Social Union]

Oh fuck i forgot to link the trailer here


like you have all seen it at this stage bue fuck it here it is again



Im looking forward to this.

Jaime has a beard again

He definitely looked more awesome imo with the shorter hair and beard.

[Baltenstein]

I personally also liked Tyrion better without the beard, too bad he never shaved it after Season 4.

[Fedel]

For anybody who has a long travel ride/flight coming up who hasn't gotten to Blood and Fire yet, they have Jaehaerys's section up on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd43Di- ... S6GIDS7lpQ

[Infected Mushroom]

I just had a dream that Season 8 started playing on television.

However, the sound on the television was messed up and I couldn't get it work to work as characters started talking.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I just had a dream that Season 8 started playing on television.

However, the sound on the television was messed up and I couldn't get it work to work as characters started talking.

The Horror

[Silver Commonwealth]

Honestly, I am not sure, what to expect from season 8. I used to be a big GoT fan in the days, but now I only peek once in a while, if some new info comes about the last series. I haven't read the books yet, sadly.

[Fedel]

Honestly, I am not sure, what to expect from season 8. I used to be a big GoT fan in the days, but now I only peek once in a while, if some new info comes about the last series. I haven't read the books yet, sadly.

Well, quality has been declining since Season 4 and even then the last seasons was still "good." Just goes to show how unbelievable the quality of the early seasons were. The books are not for everyone. They can be a bit dry at times.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Thought: what if ASoIaF is actually a piece of performance art? Hear me out:

One of the hallmarks of the series is how major characters can just die, leaving unfinished business, because that's what happens in real life. What if that's what GRRM's going for? He starts the series, then dies, leaving it unfinished. Because sometimes you just die and your story is never finished.

Only he lived much longer than he expected, so he's had to write slower and slower, and start other projects like Fire and Blood, because actually finishing the series would be the antithesis of what it's all about.

It's genius. Genius, I tell you!

[Ethel mermania]

Thought: what if ASoIaF is actually a piece of performance art? Hear me out:

One of the hallmarks of the series is how major characters can just die, leaving unfinished business, because that's what happens in real life. What if that's what GRRM's going for? He starts the series, then dies, leaving it unfinished. Because sometimes you just die and your story is never finished.

Only he lived much longer than he expected, so he's had to write slower and slower, and start other projects like Fire and Blood, because actually finishing the series would be the antithesis of what it's all about.

It's genius. Genius, I tell you!

If only, at least that is a reason.

[Infected Mushroom]

Thought: what if ASoIaF is actually a piece of performance art? Hear me out:

One of the hallmarks of the series is how major characters can just die, leaving unfinished business, because that's what happens in real life. What if that's what GRRM's going for? He starts the series, then dies, leaving it unfinished. Because sometimes you just die and your story is never finished.

Only he lived much longer than he expected, so he's had to write slower and slower, and start other projects like Fire and Blood, because actually finishing the series would be the antithesis of what it's all about.

It's genius. Genius, I tell you!

then why would he tell the producers of the show how it ends?