Many Bothans Died To Bring You THE STAR WARS THREAD

[The Rich Port]

It's amazing how both useful and stupid the Rule of Two is, though I suppose that's more the fault of Sith ideological practices in general as opposed to the Rules themselves. Maybe I understand it wrong? Can there be more than literally two Sith, or is it just that there can be only one master to one apprentice?

Ah, I was thinking of that one fucked-up corpse Darth from KOTOR 2, but I remember now he had a different name.

Jed-based as in based in lawful goodness? No wonder the Republic sucks afterwards.

Back before Ruusan, the Sith was a massive empire. This basically meant that the Jedi could declare war on them at any time.
Bane came up with the rule of two to make the Sith powerful but secret, so they could bide their time until the Jedi were weak enough to be destroyed.

That was Nihilus.

Jedi-based as in the Jedi pretty much controlled the Republic rather than being the Republic. The Reformations also founded the Senate and made the Chancellor a mostly arbitrary position.2

... Could they? I thought the Jedi were about peace. They wouldn't actively pursue war. Besides, in KOTOR, wasn't the war driven by the newly-Sith Revan and Malak? Sure, the Jedi can sever your connection to the Force, but that's if they catch you or if they find out, and that's a maybe. Maybe they could just leave like the Dark Jedi from before KOTOR did.

How would the Sith Lords regulate that? If Bane had opponents, would they have to abide by it? What if even his followers still wanted to be powerful?

[Bezombia]

Back before Ruusan, the Sith was a massive empire. This basically meant that the Jedi could declare war on them at any time.
Bane came up with the rule of two to make the Sith powerful but secret, so they could bide their time until the Jedi were weak enough to be destroyed.

That was Nihilus.

Jedi-based as in the Jedi pretty much controlled the Republic rather than being the Republic. The Reformations also founded the Senate and made the Chancellor a mostly arbitrary position.2

... Could they? I thought the Jedi were about peace. They wouldn't actively pursue war. Besides, in KOTOR, wasn't the war driven by the newly-Sith Revan and Malak? Sure, the Jedi can sever your connection to the Force, but that's if they catch you or if they find out, and that's a maybe. Maybe they could just leave like the Dark Jedi from before KOTOR did.

How would the Sith Lords regulate that? If Bane had opponents, would they have to abide by it? What if even his followers still wanted to be powerful?

Don't forget that Revan was a jedi, too.


I cannot answer that question without spoiling the book...

[The Rich Port]

... Could they? I thought the Jedi were about peace. They wouldn't actively pursue war. Besides, in KOTOR, wasn't the war driven by the newly-Sith Revan and Malak? Sure, the Jedi can sever your connection to the Force, but that's if they catch you or if they find out, and that's a maybe. Maybe they could just leave like the Dark Jedi from before KOTOR did.

How would the Sith Lords regulate that? If Bane had opponents, would they have to abide by it? What if even his followers still wanted to be powerful?

Don't forget that Revan was a jedi, too.


I cannot answer that question without spoiling the book...

Well, yeah, but then he became a Sith. And then he was brainwashed by the Jedi after becoming a Sith. He was just corrupted by the Dark Side.

Meh... OK. I guess I'll look 'em up.

[MERIZoC]

I just saw The People Vs. George Lucas. Great film.

Just by looking at the name, I can get the gist of it, but are the people complaining about the prequels, or TCW?

[The Rich Port]

I just saw The People Vs. George Lucas. Great film.

Just by looking at the name, I can get the gist of it, but are the people complaining about the prequels, or TCW?

Specifically, lots of Jar Jar Binks.

[The Rich Port]

I've been looking for a resource to help me learn some Huttese, as a character in this fanfic I'm writing it supposed to speak it fluently. I've even discovered a way to not make it purely gratuitous.

Unfortunately, I've yet to find one that is particularly helpful. Mostly it's just dictionaries, which don't really help at forming sentences. I've been thinking about compiling a comprehensive lesson on here, for everyone to use!

[Bezombia]

I've been looking for a resource to help me learn some Huttese, as a character in this fanfic I'm writing it supposed to speak it fluently. I've even discovered a way to not make it purely gratuitous.

Unfortunately, I've yet to find one that is particularly helpful. Mostly it's just dictionaries, which don't really help at forming sentences. I've been thinking about compiling a comprehensive lesson on here, for everyone to use!

You aren't going to find more than that, because there hasn't been much development of it.

[The Rich Port]

I've been looking for a resource to help me learn some Huttese, as a character in this fanfic I'm writing it supposed to speak it fluently. I've even discovered a way to not make it purely gratuitous.

Unfortunately, I've yet to find one that is particularly helpful. Mostly it's just dictionaries, which don't really help at forming sentences. I've been thinking about compiling a comprehensive lesson on here, for everyone to use!

You aren't going to find more than that, because there hasn't been much development of it.

Absolutely. Which is good, because I could just make words up for words that don't exist yet, or don't, for plot convenience. I just need to get the foundations down; once I do that, I can start forming new sentences than the ones that are "most commonly used". And bad, unfortunately, because sometimes not even the foundations are solid. What I need (what most people need to understand languages, really) is how to string words together so they make sense and communicate a message properly.

For that, I need conjunctions, pronouns, maybe modifiers, though to my understanding those are not necessary in Huttese, as are some pronouns and conjunctions basically made moot, as without them the sentence would properly convey it's message to a Huttese speaker, though not necessarily translate well to English.

[The Rich Port]

So, how exactly do people get around in the Star Wars universe?

I get hyperspace and lightspeed, but which is more commonly used?

What about just using the ion engines?

[MERIZoC]

So, how exactly do people get around in the Star Wars universe?

I get hyperspace and lightspeed, but which is more commonly used?

What about just using the ion engines?

Lightspeed is just the term used to refer to the speed of a ship in hyperspace. Hyperspace itself, is another dimension, a sort of parallel universe that ships jump into so they can move through realspace more quickly. If they used ion engines to get around anywhere, it would take hundreds of thousands of years.

[The Rich Port]

So, how exactly do people get around in the Star Wars universe?

I get hyperspace and lightspeed, but which is more commonly used?

What about just using the ion engines?

Lightspeed is just the term used to refer to the speed of a ship in hyperspace. Hyperspace itself, is another dimension, a sort of parallel universe that ships jump into so they can move through realspace more quickly. If they used ion engines to get around anywhere, it would take hundreds of thousands of years.

Ah, that's where my confusion was. I thought lightspeed was a separate thing from hyperspace.

Well, duh. I just thought you could put ion engines into lightspeed to get to places faster. Do you need fuel for hyperspace?

[MERIZoC]

Lightspeed is just the term used to refer to the speed of a ship in hyperspace. Hyperspace itself, is another dimension, a sort of parallel universe that ships jump into so they can move through realspace more quickly. If they used ion engines to get around anywhere, it would take hundreds of thousands of years.

Well, duh. I just thought you could put ion engines into lightspeed to get to places faster. Do you need fuel for hyperspace?

I don't think it would work like that. Its probable like real-life physics. The speed of light does not get added to the speed of the source. For example, the speed of the light coming from my bike headlight is the speed of light, not the speed of light + 15mph. I don't think that adding anything else to the hyperdrive engines would do anything. To answer your fuel question, yes, they do.

[The Rich Port]

Well, duh. I just thought you could put ion engines into lightspeed to get to places faster. Do you need fuel for hyperspace?

I don't think it would work like that. Its probable like real-life physics. The speed of light does not get added to the speed of the source. For example, the speed of the light coming from my bike headlight is the speed of light, not the speed of light + 15mph. I don't think that adding anything else to the hyperdrive engines would do anything. To answer your fuel question, yes, they do.

What's the fuel?

[MERIZoC]

I don't think it would work like that. Its probable like real-life physics. The speed of light does not get added to the speed of the source. For example, the speed of the light coming from my bike headlight is the speed of light, not the speed of light + 15mph. I don't think that adding anything else to the hyperdrive engines would do anything. To answer your fuel question, yes, they do.

What's the fuel?

They have a bunch of different things found on different planets. I imagine they all have slightly different properties.

[The Rich Port]

What's the fuel?

They have a bunch of different things found on different planets. I imagine they all have slightly different properties.

Oh, yeah, I remember that one asteroid mine in KOTOR 2 that had that crappy fuel that was still super important.

Peragus, right?

[MERIZoC]

They have a bunch of different things found on different planets. I imagine they all have slightly different properties.

Oh, yeah, I remember that one asteroid mine in KOTOR 2 that had that crappy fuel that was still super important.

Peragus, right?

Yeah, it wrecks your engines or something.

[The Sotoan Union]

I think hyper drives are just powered by the ships's electricity. All you need is the hyper drive itself. Ion engines are powered by hyppermatter, which is a lot like anti-matter.

[The Sotoan Union]

You know what I think is really stupid, the plot of Epsiode VI. What was the emperor's plan to make Luke his apprentice? Hey you killed Darth Vader now you have to join me, a stranger you don't know, and help me kill all your friends.

[MERIZoC]

You know what I think is really stupid, the plot of Epsiode VI. What was the emperor's plan to make Luke his apprentice? Hey you killed Darth Vader now you have to join me, a stranger you don't know, and help me kill all your friends.

The Emperor hoped to turn Luke to the dark side. The dark side can be tempting, and can corrupt, and if Luke had killed Vader out of anger, it was very possible that he would have fallen.

[Bezombia]

You know what I think is really stupid, the plot of Epsiode VI. What was the emperor's plan to make Luke his apprentice? Hey you killed Darth Vader now you have to join me, a stranger you don't know, and help me kill all your friends.

*sigh*

Vader was flawed. Palpatine knew this. Now how he's half robot. He needed a new apprentice to replace Vader. Originally this was going to be Malek, but that didn't really work out too well so he turned to Luke instead.

[The Rich Port]

You know what I think is really stupid, the plot of Epsiode VI. What was the emperor's plan to make Luke his apprentice? Hey you killed Darth Vader now you have to join me, a stranger you don't know, and help me kill all your friends.

The Emperor hoped to turn Luke to the dark side. The dark side can be tempting, and can corrupt, and if Luke had killed Vader out of anger, it was very possible that he would have fallen.

Honestly, I find the light side can be equally as destructive. Hell, the old Jedi Council permitted the creation of the very thing that it battles against to this day.

[The Sotoan Union]

You know what I think is really stupid, the plot of Epsiode VI. What was the emperor's plan to make Luke his apprentice? Hey you killed Darth Vader now you have to join me, a stranger you don't know, and help me kill all your friends.

*sigh*

Vader was flawed. Palpatine knew this. Now how he's half robot. He needed a new apprentice to replace Vader. Originally this was going to be Malek, but that didn't really work out too well so he turned to Luke instead.

I'm not disputing that he would fall to the dark side, he would. But that doesn't automatically make him Palpatine's apprentice. In his anger and rage I think he would be more likely to attack Palpatine then to join him. So again how was Luke supposed to replace Darth Vader. Being a fallen Jedi doesn't automatically mean he is just going to surrender to Palpatine and betray his friends.

[Bezombia]

*sigh*

Vader was flawed. Palpatine knew this. Now how he's half robot. He needed a new apprentice to replace Vader. Originally this was going to be Malek, but that didn't really work out too well so he turned to Luke instead.

I'm not disputing that he would fall to the dark side, he would. But that doesn't automatically make him Palpatine's apprentice. In his anger and rage I think he would be more likely to attack Palpatine then to join him. So again how was Luke supposed to replace Darth Vader. Being a fallen Jedi doesn't automatically mean he is just going to surrender to Palpatine and betray his friends.

Which is why Palpatine would work to get Luke to join him willingly, just like he did with Anakin.

[Aeken]

I'm waiting for BF3.

[The Sotoan Union]

I'm not disputing that he would fall to the dark side, he would. But that doesn't automatically make him Palpatine's apprentice. In his anger and rage I think he would be more likely to attack Palpatine then to join him. So again how was Luke supposed to replace Darth Vader. Being a fallen Jedi doesn't automatically mean he is just going to surrender to Palpatine and betray his friends.

Which is why Palpatine would work to get Luke to join him willingly, just like he did with Anakin.

Anakin joined willingly because he believed that Palpatine could save his wife, and because he attacked Mace Windu and had no choice but to leave the order. Palpatine had no such connection with Luke. Everything Luke cared about was fighting against Palpatine.

Palpatine actually had a personal connection to Anakin, he had no connection with Luke.