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Which is your favorite sentient Star Wars race?

Wookies. Because fur is hot... And murder.
39
8%
Twi'leks. Because slugs are hot.
131
27%
Tusken Raiders. A little rape fantasy never hurt anybody.
33
7%
Jawas. Lots of little hands touching me is hot.
22
4%
Hutts. BIG. NASTY. RUDE. SWEATY. HOT.
13
3%
Ewoks. Because creepy ugly teddy bears are hot.
30
6%
Bothans. I hear they die a lot. And that's hot.
27
5%
Trandoshans. Because lizards are hot.
12
2%
Rodians. Because... I don't know anymore. Reptilian ant-eaters are hot?
13
3%
Other. Because my God there's a lot of alien species in Star Wars. And they're ALL hot.
171
35%
 
Total votes : 491

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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Mon May 22, 2017 10:21 am

Alekseandrea wrote:
The first Galactic Republic wrote:Your whole argument about this being a plot hole relies on there not being many inquisitors, but as far as anyone knows there could be a very large number of them. This is not definitely a plot hole then.


The plot hole is that no one actually uses the knowledge of midochlorians, but they simply say: They exist.
It's like saying water exists but never using it.

Your whole defense is basically this: There could be a large number of inquisitors.

There also could be a large number of invisible, undetectable unicorns in Star Wars.
"There could be more" really doesn't mean anything.
Sure, there could be more, but as long as you don't see any more, as long as nobody (in-universe) mentions there are more, one should assume there aren't.

Your talking in circles here.


So are you.

Everyone would need to get blood tested for your plan to work and you're asking a civilization so bureaucratically inept that it couldn't manage a census to do this.


Not everyone. Most of the people.
Which is doable.

If people only used solutions that are 100% foolproof, there wouldn't be much happening.
I believe the blood method would find more force-sensitive people than the current one.

And the empire isn't bureaucratically inept.
They are able to build moon-sized weapons of mass-destruction, massive star destroyers and maintain the largest navy in the universe.
This requires massive amounts of recources.
Who makes sure those get where they are needed?
The bureaucracy.
There tactics and strategies might need some work, but their bureaucracy works.
It might not be the most efficient or the best. But it works.
I wouldn't call them bureaucratically inept.

The Empire's ineptitude is why the rebellion even exists.


The rebellion exists because the empire stomps on everyone that doesn't support them (and some that do) and because they tend to do morally questionable things.
The mere existence of rebellion isn't a sign of ineptitude.

Rebels aren't easily wiped out.
Crush ten and there's another one that was hiding under a rock.

If anything there's relatively little rebellion.
Think about it, where did all the seperatists go?

It's an important plot point of the series and just saying it isn't so doesn't change that.


You're exagarating.

How did the rebels destroy the first death star?
Dumb luck.
Loads of it.

How did the rebels destroy the second death star?
Dumb luck.

It isn't a plot point.

The empire isn't incompetent.
The heroes simply get so much plot armour that they could make anyone seem incompetent.

In what way are midichlorians not used? They are used to blood test force sensitives. You think it's a plot hole because these blood tests aren't happening and the Empire isn't utilizing force sensitives. Two things though.

1. We don't know that the Empire isn't getting a great many people because we don't know how many Inquisitors and dark acolytes there are. Unless you can prove that there aren't many, there's not necessarily a plot hole because the Empire is possibly using midichlorians to find force sensitives.
2. It is very logical though that the Empire would miss a great many people because it's incompetent and doesn't actually span the whole galaxy despite its name, anymore than North Korea is democratic or pineapples are apples.

So are you.

Krennic: "Who the hell are you?"
Sheev: "You know. You all know exactly who I am. Say my name."
Krennic: "I don't have a damn clue who the hell you are."
Sheev: "Yeah you do. I'm the Chancellor. I'm the man who killed Mace Windu."
Krennic: "Bullshit, Order 66 got Windu."
Sheev: "You sure?"
Krennic looks at Vader, who shakes his head
Sheev: "That's right. Now, say my name."
Krennic: "You're The Senate."
Sheev: "You're God damn right."

They are able to build moon-sized weapons of mass-destruction, massive star destroyers and maintain the largest navy in the universe.

They can build these things but can't even run a census. That sounds inept to me. Individual Moffs and Admirals have a great deal of resources at their disposal, but the system is too broken for something like record keeping about the population on a galactic scale. The Empire really can't work as a whole very well.

The rebellion exists because the empire stomps on everyone that doesn't support them (and some that do) and because they tend to do morally questionable things.
The mere existence of rebellion isn't a sign of ineptitude.

That's why the rebellion was formed but why it can exist is because the Empire is to inept to hunt them. Entire habitable planets can be used as bases for many years and the Empire can't learn about it. Rebel fleets and pirates can move up and down hyperlanes easily and the Empire can't police them all. Imperial officers are incompetent and also stabbing each other in the back and because of that the rebels win a number of victories they otherwise wouldn't have. Incomptentence and decentralization on a galactic scale is the only reason why the rebels can exist in the face of such a war machine.

Think about it, where did all the seperatists go?

Is this a trick question? The Separatist war machine was turned off and all the money was nationalized remember?

How did the rebels destroy the first death star?
Dumb luck.
Loads of it.

How did the rebels destroy the second death star?
Dumb luck.

How is any of that contrary to what I'm saying? The force helped Luke the first time. That was the whole point of the "use the force" line.

The second one was destroyed by incompetence. The ground troops lost the shield generator to carebears, and the many Star Destroyers were poorly organized and unable to destroy a much smaller fleet.
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Postby Re-Unified Russia » Mon May 22, 2017 10:21 am

In battlefront 2 (original one) I preferred space battles over land battles
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Postby Skylus » Mon May 22, 2017 10:23 am

Re-Unified Russia wrote:In battlefront 2 (original one) I preferred space battles over land battles

You lived a LOT longer in space than on land.
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Postby The Red Snow » Mon May 22, 2017 10:31 am

Skylus wrote:
Re-Unified Russia wrote:In battlefront 2 (original one) I preferred space battles over land battles

You lived a LOT longer in space than on land.

So true......So true

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Postby Zanera » Mon May 22, 2017 10:41 am

I watched ROTJ again and the Ewok battle looks circumstantially plausible.

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Postby Skylus » Mon May 22, 2017 10:42 am

You didn't have the Jedi/Sith running around everywhere and basically spawn killing you in space...
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Postby Zanera » Mon May 22, 2017 10:44 am

Skylus wrote:You didn't have the Jedi/Sith running around everywhere and basically spawn killing you in space...


I drank this juice once.
It's called 'get gud'.
It worked.
:p

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Postby Re-Unified Russia » Mon May 22, 2017 10:51 am

Skylus wrote:
Re-Unified Russia wrote:In battlefront 2 (original one) I preferred space battles over land battles

You lived a LOT longer in space than on land.

Definitely
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Postby Anollasia » Mon May 22, 2017 8:15 pm

Zanera wrote:I watched ROTJ again and the Ewok battle looks circumstantially plausible.


Tbh I never really questioned it until I heard other people find it ridiculous. I just went with it, I mean it is a movie. :p

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Postby Zanera » Mon May 22, 2017 8:47 pm

Anollasia wrote:
Zanera wrote:I watched ROTJ again and the Ewok battle looks circumstantially plausible.


Tbh I never really questioned it until I heard other people find it ridiculous. I just went with it, I mean it is a movie. :p


The initial confusion seems plausible. Some Ewoks find they can't do much against superior technology and get wrecked, others are more successful with tactics and weapons that look pretty plausible. Then there's Chewie, who both a brute and a technical expert who hijacks a AT-ST and ejects the pilots with some Ewoks and goes on his own raid. It's generally plausible, at least to me.

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Postby Salus Maior » Mon May 22, 2017 8:54 pm

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Ah but you see this is a Force resistant room my friend...never confront a Jedi with out something force resistant.


>Force resistant space.

>Force binds together the universe.
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Postby Ism » Mon May 22, 2017 11:21 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Uinted Communist of Africa wrote:Ah but you see this is a Force resistant room my friend...never confront a Jedi with out something force resistant.


>Force resistant space.

>Force binds together the universe.


I think you're taking that too literally.

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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Tue May 23, 2017 9:32 am

Ever notice exactly how many superweapons the Separatists built in just three years? It's more than like any other Star Wars faction ever.

They built the Malevolence.

They made that big underwater cannon that only worked on Mon Calamari.

They built that big hammer thing that would just fly up to soldiers and crush them to death.

They had the Dark Reaper (though it was actually built by the Sith) that could drain the energy from living things and use the energy to power lasers.

They had the cannon mounted on a tank that would only damage living things.

They made that blue gas on Naboo.

They had a laser that could tear atoms apart and were going to use it to destroy Naboo's sun.

They had invincible tanks that could only be destroyed by destroying the ground they were on.

They had a big bomb that could destroy planets.

The Geonosians came up with the initial Death Star designs.

Holy shit.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue May 23, 2017 9:35 am

The first Galactic Republic wrote:Ever notice exactly how many superweapons the Separatists built in just three years? It's more than like any other Star Wars faction ever.

They built the Malevolence.

They made that big underwater cannon that only worked on Mon Calamari.

They built that big hammer thing that would just fly up to soldiers and crush them to death.

They had the Dark Reaper (though it was actually built by the Sith) that could drain the energy from living things and use the energy to power lasers.

They had the cannon mounted on a tank that would only damage living things.

They made that blue gas on Naboo.

They had a laser that could tear atoms apart and were going to use it to destroy Naboo's sun.

They had invincible tanks that could only be destroyed by destroying the ground they were on.

They had a big bomb that could destroy planets.

The Geonosians came up with the initial Death Star designs.

Holy shit.

When like half of your planets are owned by/dominated by rich banking guilds and industrial powers you are going to have some serious cash flow and resources at your disposal.

Also its star wars and bad guys love their super weapons of DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM. The separatists especially had a hardon for it.
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Postby Havl » Tue May 23, 2017 10:14 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
The first Galactic Republic wrote:Ever notice exactly how many superweapons the Separatists built in just three years? It's more than like any other Star Wars faction ever.

They built the Malevolence.

They made that big underwater cannon that only worked on Mon Calamari.

They built that big hammer thing that would just fly up to soldiers and crush them to death.

They had the Dark Reaper (though it was actually built by the Sith) that could drain the energy from living things and use the energy to power lasers.

They had the cannon mounted on a tank that would only damage living things.

They made that blue gas on Naboo.

They had a laser that could tear atoms apart and were going to use it to destroy Naboo's sun.

They had invincible tanks that could only be destroyed by destroying the ground they were on.

They had a big bomb that could destroy planets.

The Geonosians came up with the initial Death Star designs.

Holy shit.

When like half of your planets are owned by/dominated by rich banking guilds and industrial powers you are going to have some serious cash flow and resources at your disposal.

Also its star wars and bad guys love their super weapons of DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM. The separatists especially had a hardon for it.

Plus, you know, plot reasons
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue May 23, 2017 10:22 am

Havl wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:When like half of your planets are owned by/dominated by rich banking guilds and industrial powers you are going to have some serious cash flow and resources at your disposal.

Also its star wars and bad guys love their super weapons of DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM. The separatists especially had a hardon for it.

Plus, you know, plot reasons

Also that.

Could have just built massive facking fleets and overrun your enemies but the plot demands you build giant super weapons.

Same with the empire.
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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Tue May 23, 2017 10:22 am

Jocasta Nu: I hate to say it, but it looks like the system you're searching for doesn't exist.

Obi-Wan: That's impossible. Perhaps the archives are incomplete.

Jocasta Nu: Listen here you little shit. I've been working here since before you were born. If a planet doesn't appear in our fucking archives, then it doesn't exist you dumb fuck. Now get out of here before I make your face incomplete.

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Postby The Red Snow » Tue May 23, 2017 10:42 am

Master Windu. I take it General Grievous has been destroyed then. I must say, you're here sooner than expected.

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Postby Golgothium » Wed May 24, 2017 12:25 am

While not necessarily a race,

I find the Mandalorians titillating.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed May 24, 2017 2:26 am

Golgothium wrote:While not necessarily a race,

I find the Mandalorians titillating.

Even though the look human, i always thought they were classed as their own race?
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Postby Alvecia » Wed May 24, 2017 2:27 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Golgothium wrote:While not necessarily a race,

I find the Mandalorians titillating.

Even though the look human, i always thought they were classed as their own race?

I thought they were like the Sith. There was the race, but an outsider could become one.

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Postby Golgothium » Wed May 24, 2017 2:28 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Golgothium wrote:While not necessarily a race,

I find the Mandalorians titillating.

Even though the look human, i always thought they were classed as their own race?

Supposedly they are, or we can always defer back to the Taung.
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Postby New haven america » Wed May 24, 2017 2:29 am

Alvecia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Even though the look human, i always thought they were classed as their own race?

I thought they were like the Sith. There was the race, but an outsider could become one.

Mandalorians are human, but they have a specific culture, practices, and government that separates them from those in the Republic.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed May 24, 2017 2:30 am

New haven america wrote:
Alvecia wrote:I thought they were like the Sith. There was the race, but an outsider could become one.

Mandalorians are human, but they have a specific culture, practices, and government that separates them from those in the Republic.

Yeah, that sounds right.

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Postby Philjia » Wed May 24, 2017 3:11 am

This is what Wikipedia has to say about MagnaGuards:
The elite MagnaGuard is a droid built to specifications provided by General Grievous. They appear to come in at least two varieties. Some simply project energy or electrical fields from both ends, and some have the added ability to shoot mini-missiles from either end.


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