Many Bothans Died To Bring You THE STAR WARS THREAD

[The first Galactic Republic]

The Eclipse was cool. It was kind of ridiculous when the story pulled out a second one though.

I guess it would've been cooler if he had a whole new kind of ship built that could actually kill fighters and capital ships while also killing planets, moons, and space stations.

He should have made it wormhole proof.

[Zanera]

I guess it would've been cooler if he had a whole new kind of ship built that could actually kill fighters and capital ships while also killing planets, moons, and space stations.

He should have made it wormhole proof.

Or it could spawn wormholes but it was blackhole-proof.

[Alekseandrea]

Urgh, I'm on my phone, so I won't have formatting that well laid out.

Same here.

Flying is an easy one, she was raised by the guy that owned the junk yard, you think she was never sent to do maintenance or scavenging on his ships, or even helped or watched him fly into position. She also explicitly states "I've flown some ships before". Also she crashes into all sorts.

But that's the slow, steady, careful flying of transports. Those cost way too many portions to let a no-name scavenger do tricks with them!

She bumps into some of the scenery, true.
But this makes it even more obvious that the flight through the star destroyer and especially the backflip show a level of skill (or luck) that ruins the (my) suspension of disbelief.

Her skills with a lighsaber are explained by both having combat experience and not actually displaying much saber skill in the first place. I mean, that end fight is no Kenobi v Maul.

True, that fight is more a "why is Kylo Ren so incompetent"- thing.
Why couldn't he have just killed them?

Her adventuring motivations make sense to me. Training is obvious.

I shouldn't have added the "willingness to go adventuring" column. It's a bit vague.

But the point is that Anakin and Luke dreamed of leaving Tatooine, but didn't want to leave because of their family.

Rey, on the other hand wants to remain on Jakku, leaves and after a while realises she doesn't want to go back.

Force powers don't seem an issue to me, everything she does is built upon what she's seen or been shown.

It's not what powers. It's how quickly she masters them. The other trilogy-starter heroes had little to no mastery in their debut. She does stuff the other 2 didn't even try their first movie heroing.

Not sure how believing Finn is a measure of intelligence. What's the context there?

Finn's "convincing" "I'm a member of the resistance"-act.
She fell for it.

Her goal is touched on in the movie a lot actually. She's obviously desperate to find her parents and she's clearly hoping that they'll come back for her. Part of her story is coming to the realisation that there's a very real possibility that they are not, and that she needs to let go of her childhood dreams. After which, she's kind of purposeless and so latches onto the closest meaning she can find in the Resistance's struggle and her developing powers

So if I understand het goals correctly:
First it was waiting for her parents.
Then it was aiding the rebellion.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Do you think Sidious put the droid factories on Geonosis just to mess with Anakin? When the Droid Control Ship crashed and all the sand blew up I'm sure Anakin was upset. Probably contributed towards his falling to the dark side getting all that sand out even days later.

[Zanera]

Do you think Sidious put the droid factories on Geonosis just to mess with Anakin? When the Droid Control Ship crashed and all the sand blew up I'm sure Anakin was upset. Probably contributed towards his falling to the dark side getting all that sand out even days later.

The ray shield on the Invisible Hand was magnetic white sand. Dooku's lightsaber was magnetic red sand. And to use the Light Side of the Force, you need sand.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Do you think Sidious put the droid factories on Geonosis just to mess with Anakin? When the Droid Control Ship crashed and all the sand blew up I'm sure Anakin was upset. Probably contributed towards his falling to the dark side getting all that sand out even days later.

The ray shield on the Invisible Hand was magnetic white sand. Dooku's lightsaber was magnetic red sand. And to use the Light Side of the Force, you need sand.

Vader actually could have lived at the end of VI, but when Luke offered to take him back to their homeworld Vader offed himself.

[Salus Maior]

[The first Galactic Republic]

So I was looking through this thread and I see we haven't ranked the Star Wars movies in awhile. What is everyone's ranking?

I would have to say:

Return of the Jedi
Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith
A New Hope
Rogue One
The Force Awakens
Phantom Menace
2008 CGI Clone Wars
Empire Strikes Back

[Zanera]

Return of the Jedi
A New Hope
Revenge of the Sith
Rogue One
Empire Strikes Back

Attack of the Clones
Phantom Menace

The Force Awakens


2008 CGI Clone Wars

[Anywhere Else But Here]

So I was looking through this thread and I see we haven't ranked the Star Wars movies in awhile. What is everyone's ranking?

I would have to say:

Return of the Jedi
Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith
A New Hope
Rogue One
The Force Awakens
Phantom Menace
2008 CGI Clone Wars
Empire Strikes Back

This has got to be the most surprising ranking I've ever seen. Is it best to worst or worst to best?

Anyway, here's mine Haven't given it a great deal of thought; I could probably argue myself into moving every one (except TPM) up or down several places:

1. Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Return of the Jedi
4. Rogue One
5. Revenge of the Sith
6. The Force Awakens
7. Attack of the Clones
8. The Phantom Menace

[Skylus]

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YES.

[The first Galactic Republic]

So I was looking through this thread and I see we haven't ranked the Star Wars movies in awhile. What is everyone's ranking?

I would have to say:

Return of the Jedi
Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith
A New Hope
Rogue One
The Force Awakens
Phantom Menace
2008 CGI Clone Wars
Empire Strikes Back

This has got to be the most surprising ranking I've ever seen. Is it best to worst or worst to best?

Anyway, here's mine Haven't given it a great deal of thought; I could probably argue myself into moving every one (except TPM) up or down several places:

1. Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Return of the Jedi
4. Rogue One
5. Revenge of the Sith
6. The Force Awakens
7. Attack of the Clones
8. The Phantom Menace

VI is a masterpiece.

II is cool as balls.

The Clone Wars has many flaws but is entertaining at times. It's also pretty important to Star Wars. It introduces us to Ahsoka Tano and makes Asajj Ventress canon. It furthers Anakin's character development and helps flesh out the Clone Wars. It also works well as a direct prequel to III if you watch all the Star Wars movies in chronological order. After the Republic saves Jabba's son it allies with the Hutts and gains hyperspace routes in the outer rim. These hyperspace routes make the outer rim sieges we see in III possible.

The outer rim sieges are some of the most important events in Star Wars lore. By the end of the Clone Wars Palpatine was very close to being discovered. The outer rim sieges were devised so that he could stall for time. By forcing that Jedi to fight out in the outer rim, he was able to prevent them from investigating him. Furthermore the battles scattered the Republic military and made it slow to respond when Coruscant was attacked. This was further part of Palpatine's plans because this was another distraction to keep the Jedi off his tail and lead to Anakin killing Dooku, which Palpatine always wanted. That's why at the end of The Clone Wars movie Palpatine says to Dooku that the gears of war are turning in their favor even though the Separatists were defeated. He meant "their" as Dooku and him, not the Separatists.

Furthermore the Outer Rim Sieges helped to shape the politics of the OT. After the Rebels started to acquire significant amounts of ships, troops, and weapons, many in the Alliance, particularly defected Imperials used to conventional war, wanted to wage total war against the Empire. They wanted the alliance to capture and hold territory. The outer rim sieges convinced Mon Mothma that this wasn't a good idea. She realized that if the Rebels captured territory in the outer rim the Empire would be able to box them in and conquer their worlds one by one. This is the same thing that the Republic did to the Separatists because of the hyperspace routes the Hutts gave them. Further part of the reason why the Separatists were so feared is because they violently conquered planets. The Separatists committed all kinds of war crimes and conquered planets that wanted to stay with the Republic. This caused the Republic citizens to fear them, which in turn lead them to support the Empire because they were desperate for safety. Mon Mothma realized that if the Rebels invaded and held territory they would be as bad as the Separatists. By only attacking Imperial military targets however and by launching hit and run attacks rather than conquering planets the Rebels wouldn't antagonize the citizens of the Empire like the Separatists did to the citizens of the Republic. This was instrumental in getting people across the galaxy to support them rather than fear them. Thus the outer rim sieges are very important and they were only possible because of the Clone Wars movie.

V is boring. It has cool moments but is generally uninteresting. Fit me.

[Impireacht]

Woah I thought I'd be the only one putting twe'lek down on the poll and then everyone was there.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Why is it that the male Twi'leks have human looking ears but the female Twi'leks have knobs?

[Salus Maior]

Why is it that the male Twi'leks have human looking ears but the female Twi'leks have knobs?

I feel like this is a question for Wookieepedia.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Why is it that the male Twi'leks have human looking ears but the female Twi'leks have knobs?

I feel like this is a question for Wookieepedia.

Wookieepedia doesn't say why, it just says that's how it works.

Fan theories anyone? Maybe perverted Hutts specifically bred females with those genes way back when?

[Salus Maior]

I feel like this is a question for Wookieepedia.

Wookieepedia doesn't say why, it just says that's how it works.

Fan theories anyone? Maybe perverted Hutts specifically bred females with those genes way back when?

Why?

[The first Galactic Republic]

Wookieepedia doesn't say why, it just says that's how it works.

Fan theories anyone? Maybe perverted Hutts specifically bred females with those genes way back when?

Why?

Hutts don't have those kind of ears, so maybe they wanted earless sex slaves. They didn't want deaf sex slaves though, so they carefully bred their sex slaves to have knobs instead.

I don't know I tried.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Disney will make anything that makes sense non canon.....therefore its not captain rex.

No, it doesn't make sense. The guy is clearly not a Fett clone.

Plus Rex, with the accelerated aging, likely wouldn't be in combat condition by that time.

Fett clones would biologically be in their sixties around Endor. That guy looks like he's that old.

Also apparently one of the Emperor's royal guards is a Fett clone.

[Salus Maior]

No, it doesn't make sense. The guy is clearly not a Fett clone.

Plus Rex, with the accelerated aging, likely wouldn't be in combat condition by that time.

Fett clones would biologically be in their sixties around Endor. That guy looks like he's that old.

Also apparently one of the Emperor's royal guards is a Fett clone.

Is that EU or new canon?

[The first Galactic Republic]

Fett clones would biologically be in their sixties around Endor. That guy looks like he's that old.

Also apparently one of the Emperor's royal guards is a Fett clone.

Is that EU or new canon?

It's from Lords of the Sith which is new canon.

[Maichuko]

If anyone's going to still be capable of fighting at age 60 or even 70 it would probably be a Fett clone.

[Alvecia]

Urgh, I'm on my phone, so I won't have formatting that well laid out.

Same here.

At least you put the effort in to separate the quotes. That's more than my lazy arse was willing to do

Flying is an easy one, she was raised by the guy that owned the junk yard, you think she was never sent to do maintenance or scavenging on his ships, or even helped or watched him fly into position. She also explicitly states "I've flown some ships before". Also she crashes into all sorts.

But that's the slow, steady, careful flying of transports. Those cost way too many portions to let a no-name scavenger do tricks with them!

She bumps into some of the scenery, true.
But this makes it even more obvious that the flight through the star destroyer and especially the backflip show a level of skill (or luck) that ruins the (my) suspension of disbelief.

I mean, I'm not a star ship pilot, or any other type of pilot really, but doing a flip doesn't seem much more difficult than pulling back on the lever until you've gone in a circle.
So to me I suppose it doesn't seem out of place at all because to me it doesn't sound particularly skillful.

Her skills with a lighsaber are explained by both having combat experience and not actually displaying much saber skill in the first place. I mean, that end fight is no Kenobi v Maul.

True, that fight is more a "why is Kylo Ren so incompetent"- thing.
Why couldn't he have just killed them?

Well Finn, if the TLA trailer is anything to go by, almost did die I reckon. He was obviously down for the count. He probably would've ended up killing him proper if Rey hadn't intervened.
I don't think he actually wanted to kill Rey. I'm pretty sure that Snoke told him to bring her to him, I presume he meant alive. Also in the saber lock he does say "I can teach you" or something like that, so maybe he wanted to turn her.

Her adventuring motivations make sense to me. Training is obvious.

I shouldn't have added the "willingness to go adventuring" column. It's a bit vague.

But the point is that Anakin and Luke dreamed of leaving Tatooine, but didn't want to leave because of their family.

Rey, on the other hand wants to remain on Jakku, leaves and after a while realises she doesn't want to go back.

I think she did dream of leaving Jakku, there is that shot that was shown in the trailer of her looking up at a ship exiting orbit, I think wistfully. But she also dreams of her family who left her there. I like to imagine she's been comforting herself for years with the idea that they'll come back one day. If she leaves, how will they know where to find her? They might assume she's dead and never come back. If she leaves, she might miss her one chance to reunite with her family.

These aren't necessarily rational thoughts, but the thoughts of a scared little girl who grew up never knowing her family, yet longing for them all the while.

Force powers don't seem an issue to me, everything she does is built upon what she's seen or been shown.

It's not what powers. It's how quickly she masters them. The other trilogy-starter heroes had little to no mastery in their debut. She does stuff the other 2 didn't even try their first movie heroing.

I dunno, Luke catches onto using the Force to sense the training droids shots without seeing in just one session. It's hard to compare because we never see Luke even attempt to conciously do much if anything with the force in the first movie beyond that training scene, which he gets pretty quick, and the trench run, which again, he manages to do well with. Though arguably it was the session with the training droid that taught him how to do that.

Anakin is a pretty hard comparison because we skip from him being a little kid to a well trained Jedi.

Not sure how believing Finn is a measure of intelligence. What's the context there?

Finn's "convincing" "I'm a member of the resistance"-act.
She fell for it.

I think she wanted to.

Her goal is touched on in the movie a lot actually. She's obviously desperate to find her parents and she's clearly hoping that they'll come back for her. Part of her story is coming to the realisation that there's a very real possibility that they are not, and that she needs to let go of her childhood dreams. After which, she's kind of purposeless and so latches onto the closest meaning she can find in the Resistance's struggle and her developing powers

So if I understand het goals correctly:
First it was waiting for her parents.
Then it was aiding the rebellion.

Well, I mean she wasn't given much choice in the matter when you think about it.
Even after everything in Maz's temple she still wants to return to Jakku. Then she get's captured by Kylo Ren and is taken to Starkiller base.
Maz touches on her dreams in her temple after the vision. "The belonging you seek is not behind you, it is ahead".

[Alvecia]

No, it doesn't make sense. The guy is clearly not a Fett clone.

Plus Rex, with the accelerated aging, likely wouldn't be in combat condition by that time.

Fett clones would biologically be in their sixties around Endor. That guy looks like he's that old.

Also apparently one of the Emperor's royal guards is a Fett clone.

Are we talking about that beared guy?
I know Dave Filoni wants it to be Rex, but he hasn't "confirmed" it, it's more of his own thoughts on the matter

[Alekseandrea]

But that's the slow, steady, careful flying of transports. Those cost way too many portions to let a no-name scavenger do tricks with them!

She bumps into some of the scenery, true.
But this makes it even more obvious that the flight through the star destroyer and especially the backflip show a level of skill (or luck) that ruins the (my) suspension of disbelief.

I mean, I'm not a star ship pilot, or any other type of pilot really, but doing a flip doesn't seem much more difficult than pulling back on the lever until you've gone in a circle.
So to me I suppose it doesn't seem out of place at all because to me it doesn't sound particularly skillful.

It doesn't sound skillfull untill you realise she had to line up the falcon's cannons with the chasing tie-fighter.
She doesn't know in what position the cannons are stuck, she doesn't know the exact location of the tie-fighter and yet she manages to give Finn a clear shot.
It looked cool, sure, but think about it.

True, that fight is more a "why is Kylo Ren so incompetent"- thing.
Why couldn't he have just killed them?

Well Finn, if the TLA trailer is anything to go by, almost did die I reckon. He was obviously down for the count. He probably would've ended up killing him proper if Rey hadn't intervened.
I don't think he actually wanted to kill Rey. I'm pretty sure that Snoke told him to bring her to him, I presume he meant alive. Also in the saber lock he does say "I can teach you" or something like that, so maybe he wanted to turn her.

True. But it makes you wonder when the darksiders are finally going to learn that, no, it isn't a good idea to turn that pesky hero.

Palpatine tried that. He died. Vader tried it. He died.
Kylo tried it. He hasn't died yet, but will probably redeem himself by stopping Snoke and dying.

It's not what powers. It's how quickly she masters them. The other trilogy-starter heroes had little to no mastery in their debut. She does stuff the other 2 didn't even try their first movie heroing.

I dunno, Luke catches onto using the Force to sense the training droids shots without seeing in just one session. It's hard to compare because we never see Luke even attempt to conciously do much if anything with the force in the first movie beyond that training scene, which he gets pretty quick, and the trench run, which again, he manages to do well with. Though arguably it was the session with the training droid that taught him how to do that.

Anakin is a pretty hard comparison because we skip from him being a little kid to a well trained Jedi.

The thing is that Luke has Obi-Wan as help (alive and as "ghost").
Rey doesn't seem to have had any training and doesn't have a mentor.

Finn's "convincing" "I'm a member of the resistance"-act.
She fell for it.

I think she wanted to.

You could practically smell his dishonestness.
She really did ignore the painfully obvious.