Many Bothans Died To Bring You THE STAR WARS THREAD

[The first Galactic Republic]

A surprise to be sure but a welcome one, the Star Wars thread?

This thread has been trained in Star Wars arts by Count Dooku?

[Maichuko]

So is it going to be open warfare between the First Order and New Republic in the next movie or are they going to stick to the rebels operating in First Order territory.

[Dylar]

So is it going to be open warfare between the First Order and New Republic in the next movie or are they going to stick to the rebels operating in First Order territory.

I think it's gonna still be the Resistance fighting the First Order. Since the First Order blew up Hosnian Prime, which was the New Republic's HQ, and I think they also blew up the New Republic fleet orbiting the Hosnian System.

[Zanera]

So is it going to be open warfare between the First Order and New Republic in the next movie or are they going to stick to the rebels operating in First Order territory.

I think after the First Order blew up the entire Hosnian Prime system, the capital of the New Republic, that there might be a little bit of warfare.
Just a little bit though. Not too much.
That would be exciting.

[Alvecia]

They can. But they don't always.

Do 100% of force users who lose all blood become force ghosts? No.
Was Kylo Ren in the process of becoming a force ghost? Based on what we've seen of how it works and Kylo Ren's character, I'm going to assume no.
Can losing blood cause a loss of mental faculties? Yes

Can weakened people become weakened in the force?
I think this is the important question. Personally, I think yes.

That being the case, is the idea that severe blood loss resulted in Kylo Ren struggling to control the force at all unreasonable? I would say no. It's perfectly reasonable.

But it's all just a theory in your head. There's no source that says Kylo could use telekinesis only some of the time because of blood loss. It's something that's part of your fanon.

Problem is you're using your fanon in a debate about why something in universe happened. You can't do that without a source. So if someone dares to suggest that maybe there are issues with VII's writing you can't just use your fanon to defend it. It can be the reason why you think the movie is O B J E C T I V E L Y perfect, but you can't say that this idea in your head is proof of anything.

Why can't Kylo move a lightsaber if he can throw a grown woman into a tree just a minute prior is a valid question. You can't just throw fan theories at it to stifle discussion, particularly when said fan theories are not consistent with how things generally work in Star Wars.

For the record, I don't think the movie is objectively perfect, that's an impossibility for starters.
This whole time I haven't been arguing that my theory, I suppose you'd call it, is the only correct one. If I've said or implied anything to the contrary then that's my mistake.

The position that I've been arguing from is that the things I've outlined are, in my opinion, perfectly reasonable explainations for what happened in lieu of concrete proof, which I'm rather certain we don't and cannot have.
Some things on entertainment, as I've mentioned previously, have to be assumed, or taken on faith. They cannot explain every single minute detail.

My overarching point was that there are reasonable explainations for what happened, and that you don't need to dig very far to find them.
To say that what happened doesn't make sense is, in my opinion, incorrect. As there are reasons why it can make sense.

[Hurdergaryp]

So is it going to be open warfare between the First Order and New Republic in the next movie or are they going to stick to the rebels operating in First Order territory.

I think it's gonna still be the Resistance fighting the First Order. Since the First Order blew up Hosnian Prime, which was the New Republic's HQ, and I think they also blew up the New Republic fleet orbiting the Hosnian System.

Depends on how much of the New Republic fleet actually was in the Hosnian system, really. Given how easily ships can traverse thousands of light years in the Star Wars universe, it seems reasonable to assume that at least a few cruisers were on patrol in distant systems.

[Alvecia]

I think it's gonna still be the Resistance fighting the First Order. Since the First Order blew up Hosnian Prime, which was the New Republic's HQ, and I think they also blew up the New Republic fleet orbiting the Hosnian System.

Depends on how much of the New Republic fleet actually was in the Hosnian system, really. Given how easily ships can traverse thousands of light years in the Star Wars universe, it seems reasonable to assume that at least a few cruisers were on patrol in distant systems.

IIRC there's something in the film that implies it was the vast majority of it, but I may be misremembering.

[Zanera]

Depends on how much of the New Republic fleet actually was in the Hosnian system, really. Given how easily ships can traverse thousands of light years in the Star Wars universe, it seems reasonable to assume that at least a few cruisers were on patrol in distant systems.

IIRC there's something in the film that implies it was the vast majority of it, but I may be misremembering.

Not like they put much effort into establishing anything outside the immediate story.

[Alvecia]

IIRC there's something in the film that implies it was the vast majority of it, but I may be misremembering.

Not like they put much effort into establishing anything outside the immediate story.

Yeah, the political layout wasn't really explained much. Left the destruction of the New Republic feeling a lot less impactful as a result.

[Zanera]

Not like they put much effort into establishing anything outside the immediate story.

Yeah, the political layout wasn't really explained much. Left the destruction of the New Republic feeling a lot less impactful as a result.

I had to read an article that got their information from the book to understand the basic political layout.
Apparently the New Republic had a rough time. All I got from the movie was that it existed. And that the Resistance was doing it's own thing against the First Order for reasons.

[Alvecia]

Yeah, the political layout wasn't really explained much. Left the destruction of the New Republic feeling a lot less impactful as a result.

I had to read an article that got their information from the book to understand the basic political layout.
Apparently the New Republic had a rough time. All I got from the movie was that it existed. And that the Resistance was doing it's own thing against the First Order for reasons.

The impression I got was that the New Republic didn't really want to be publicly involved in a war, reasons unknown, but a couple of guesses spring to mind.
Meanwhile they understood the threat of the First Order, so they secretly funded the Resistance. Unfortunately the First Order don't give two shots about your political machinations

[Zanera]

I had to read an article that got their information from the book to understand the basic political layout.
Apparently the New Republic had a rough time. All I got from the movie was that it existed. And that the Resistance was doing it's own thing against the First Order for reasons.

The impression I got was that the New Republic didn't really want to be publicly involved in a war, reasons unknown, but a couple of guesses spring to mind.
Meanwhile they understood the threat of the First Order, so they secretly funded the Resistance. Unfortunately the New Order don't give two shots about your political machinations.

"Fuck subtlety, you're all traitors!"
*fires Starkiller Base at the NR capital*

[Eslye]

So I decided to watch Return of the Jedi and there was one scene that confused me.

We all know how Vader's capital ship is the largest Star Destroyer in that movie but the thing that confuses is me how did a small A-Wing that crash into the bridge make it go down. Don't you have to like destroy the engines to bring down a ship?

[Alvecia]

The impression I got was that the New Republic didn't really want to be publicly involved in a war, reasons unknown, but a couple of guesses spring to mind.
Meanwhile they understood the threat of the First Order, so they secretly funded the Resistance. Unfortunately the New Order don't give two shots about your political machinations.

"Fuck subtlety, you're all traitors!"
*fires Starkiller Base at the NR capital*

Yup. They either fucked up assuming the New Order would play by their rules, or were forced into a somewhat untenable position by their constituents.

[Alvecia]

So I decided to watch Return of the Jedi and there was one scene that confused me.

We all know how Vader's capital ship is the largest Star Destroyer in that movie but the thing that confuses is me how did a small A-Wing that crash into the bridge make it go down. Don't you have to like destroy the engines to bring down a ship?

I assume it's a bit like taking out the brain, no?

[Eslye]

So I decided to watch Return of the Jedi and there was one scene that confused me.

We all know how Vader's capital ship is the largest Star Destroyer in that movie but the thing that confuses is me how did a small A-Wing that crash into the bridge make it go down. Don't you have to like destroy the engines to bring down a ship?

I assume it's a bit like taking out the brain, no?

I guess but shouldn't the capital ship have its shield on at all times?

[Zanera]

So I decided to watch Return of the Jedi and there was one scene that confused me.

We all know how Vader's capital ship is the largest Star Destroyer in that movie but the thing that confuses is me how did a small A-Wing that crash into the bridge make it go down. Don't you have to like destroy the engines to bring down a ship?

I watched RotS, and it took a minute or two for the bridge of the Invisible Hand to get the ship back up from starting to crash into Coruscant. I'm guessing that the Executor, without an immediate control station, would end up diving into the Second Death Star before effective ship command could be set back up. Unless that was the only bridge. Then that's just shit ship design. On a ship that size one or two redundant bridges wouldn't hurt, because it'd really fuckin' hurt to lose that ship.

[Zanera]

"Fuck subtlety, you're all traitors!"
*fires Starkiller Base at the NR capital*

Yup. They either fucked up assuming the New Order would play by their rules, or were forced into a somewhat untenable position by their constituents.

They're constituents were either partying hard or really confused, I'd imagine. The article I read said that the book said that there was actually a lot of people that were kinda diggin' Imperial rule since thinking for yourself wouldn't be required in that area, and thinking for yourself is kinda hard to do.

[Alvecia]

I assume it's a bit like taking out the brain, no?

I guess but shouldn't the capital ship have its shield on at all times?

The shield generator got destroyed IIRC

[Alvecia]

Yup. They either fucked up assuming the New Order would play by their rules, or were forced into a somewhat untenable position by their constituents.

They're constituents were either partying hard or really confused, I'd imagine. The article I read said that the book said that there was actually a lot of people that were kinda diggin' Imperial rule since thinking for yourself wouldn't be required in that area, and thinking for yourself is kinda hard to do.

The newest Battlefront II's protagonist is from a planet that enjoyed imperial rule.

[Zanera]

They're constituents were either partying hard or really confused, I'd imagine. The article I read said that the book said that there was actually a lot of people that were kinda diggin' Imperial rule since thinking for yourself wouldn't be required in that area, and thinking for yourself is kinda hard to do.

The newest Battlefront II's protagonist is from a planet that enjoyed imperial rule.

I find that I may only talk shit about EA's Battlefront. Not just because of external pressures, but also because of internal pressures. My brain says that it is shit, my heart says that it is shit, and my anus, which knows shit very well, says that it is shit.

EA BFII must be highly redeemable for me to say anything about EA BF besides that it is shit. Although the first EA BF will always be shit to me.

[Askax]

Question: What do you think would happen if Anakin killed Obi-Wan during their battle?

My Theory: After Anakin kills Obi-Wan he sees Palpatine's ship lands and goes meets him, Palpatine congratulates Anakin for killing Obi-Wan and gives him a red lightsaber. But Anakin wanting to become Emperor strikes Palpatine down with both lightsabers and kills him in the process and since Palpatine is dead Anakin becomes the new Emperor of the Galactic Empire.

[Skylus]

Running around the map on Hoth as Luke on the old BF2 was fun....Also flying Y-Wings. And controlling walkers.

[Alvecia]

The newest Battlefront II's protagonist is from a planet that enjoyed imperial rule.

I find that I may only talk shit about EA's Battlefront. Not just because of external pressures, but also because of internal pressures. My brain says that it is shit, my heart says that it is shit, and my anus, which knows shit very well, says that it is shit.

EA BFII must be highly redeemable for me to say anything about EA BF besides that it is shit. Although the first EA BF will always be shit to me.

On the surface it seems to have markedly improved, but I'm only going to get the game if the reviews are good a few weeks after, or if my mates get it. I can forgive more flaws when playing with friends.

[Eslye]

Question: What do you think would happen if Anakin killed Obi-Wan during their battle?

My Theory: After Anakin kills Obi-Wan he sees Palpatine's ship lands and goes meets him, Palpatine congratulates Anakin for killing Obi-Wan and gives him a red lightsaber. But Anakin wanting to become Emperor strikes Palpatine down with both lightsabers and kills him in the process and since Palpatine is dead Anakin becomes the new Emperor of the Galactic Empire.

I'm pretty sure Palpatine will kill Anakin first before he could do anything and also Palpatine knows when someone is about to betray him.