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Which is your favorite sentient Star Wars race?

Wookies. Because fur is hot... And murder.
39
8%
Twi'leks. Because slugs are hot.
131
27%
Tusken Raiders. A little rape fantasy never hurt anybody.
33
7%
Jawas. Lots of little hands touching me is hot.
22
4%
Hutts. BIG. NASTY. RUDE. SWEATY. HOT.
13
3%
Ewoks. Because creepy ugly teddy bears are hot.
30
6%
Bothans. I hear they die a lot. And that's hot.
27
5%
Trandoshans. Because lizards are hot.
12
2%
Rodians. Because... I don't know anymore. Reptilian ant-eaters are hot?
13
3%
Other. Because my God there's a lot of alien species in Star Wars. And they're ALL hot.
171
35%
 
Total votes : 491

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The first Galactic Republic
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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Sun May 21, 2017 5:46 pm

Alekseandrea wrote:
The first Galactic Republic wrote:How do you know how many Inquisitors there are? Is it just based on the named ones? Just because we only see a few doesn't mean that there aren't any more.


It doesn't mean there are more either.

Probably half the population of Coruscant is unaccounted for. When a planet just has that many people on it the Empire can't keep track of them all. Even in the age of the Empire no one knew how many people lived on a Coruscant exactly, and you think this Empire can run blood tests on all of them? The other core worlds are little different.


I dissagree. Simply make life without having your blood tested hell an you'll even reach the population you can't account for.
Most citizens on the core worlds are law-abiding citizens. I doubt those will become off-grid gutter scum because they have to take a blood test.

Palpatine does exterminate force users like vermin. There's a middle ground between no force sensitives allowed and force sensitives encouraged. Those are the Inquisitors. Most are hunted down though. Also keep in mind that most people can't really use the force without training. So long as there are no force sensitive orders around that Palpatine doesn't approve of most force sensitives just can't threaten Palpatine. He only has to worry about the strongest ones.


Sure, but his approach lets strong force-sensitives, like Bridger, slip through the cracks.
Wouldn't a broader search work better?

The whole premise of this being a plot hole relies on there not being more, so you're the one claiming there aren't more Inquisitors. I'm not saying there definitely are more Inquisitors, I'm just saying that there could be more. You are saying that there definitely aren't more Inquisitors because if there were then there would be no plot hole. You need a source then that says how many Inquisitors there are.

The Empire barely exists on a great many worlds. It doesn't even know how many people live on the ecumenopolis core worlds. How's it going to have the bureaucratic skills to blood test everyone? How's it going to enact policies that make it hell for people who aren't blood tested? It can't even get census data on everyone in the Empire. You overestimate the Empire's reach.

The Empire can't get everyone but they still get a lot of people.
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Postby Alekseandrea » Mon May 22, 2017 1:56 am

The first Galactic Republic wrote:The whole premise of this being a plot hole relies on there not being more, so you're the one claiming there aren't more Inquisitors. I'm not saying there definitely are more Inquisitors, I'm just saying that there could be more. You are saying that there definitely aren't more Inquisitors because if there were then there would be no plot hole. You need a source then that says how many Inquisitors there are.


I didn't say that, I believe that we simply can't say anything useful about it because we don't know.

What we DO know is that some inquisitors exist, and those inquisitors spend most of their time stalking jedi.
The Empire barely exists on a great many worlds. It doesn't even know how many people live on the ecumenopolis core worlds. How's it going to have the bureaucratic skills to blood test everyone? How's it going to enact policies that make it hell for people who aren't blood tested? It can't even get census data on everyone in the Empire. You overestimate the Empire's reach.


You underestimate the empires reach.
You can't get a census on some people, true.
But most people are pathetically easy to reach.

Someone got to pay for the empires shiny toys.
If you can make them pay taxes, you can force them to have a blood test.

The Empire can't get everyone but they still get a lot of people.


How do you know?
We don't know the amount of inquisitors.

A broader search would still mean more force-sensitives found.
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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Mon May 22, 2017 5:33 am

Alekseandrea wrote:
The first Galactic Republic wrote:The whole premise of this being a plot hole relies on there not being more, so you're the one claiming there aren't more Inquisitors. I'm not saying there definitely are more Inquisitors, I'm just saying that there could be more. You are saying that there definitely aren't more Inquisitors because if there were then there would be no plot hole. You need a source then that says how many Inquisitors there are.


I didn't say that, I believe that we simply can't say anything useful about it because we don't know.

What we DO know is that some inquisitors exist, and those inquisitors spend most of their time stalking jedi.
The Empire barely exists on a great many worlds. It doesn't even know how many people live on the ecumenopolis core worlds. How's it going to have the bureaucratic skills to blood test everyone? How's it going to enact policies that make it hell for people who aren't blood tested? It can't even get census data on everyone in the Empire. You overestimate the Empire's reach.


You underestimate the empires reach.
You can't get a census on some people, true.
But most people are pathetically easy to reach.

Someone got to pay for the empires shiny toys.
If you can make them pay taxes, you can force them to have a blood test.

The Empire can't get everyone but they still get a lot of people.


How do you know?
We don't know the amount of inquisitors.

A broader search would still mean more force-sensitives found.

Your whole argument about this being a plot hole relies on there not being many inquisitors, but as far as anyone knows there could be a very large number of them. This is not definitely a plot hole then.

Your talking in circles here. Everyone would need to get blood tested for your plan to work and you're asking a civilization so bureaucratically inept that it couldn't manage a census to do this. It makes no sense why you think it's even possible. The Empire's ineptitude is why the rebellion even exists. It's an important plot point of the series and just saying it isn't so doesn't change that.
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Postby Alekseandrea » Mon May 22, 2017 7:09 am

The first Galactic Republic wrote:Your whole argument about this being a plot hole relies on there not being many inquisitors, but as far as anyone knows there could be a very large number of them. This is not definitely a plot hole then.


The plot hole is that no one actually uses the knowledge of midochlorians, but they simply say: They exist.
It's like saying water exists but never using it.

Your whole defense is basically this: There could be a large number of inquisitors.

There also could be a large number of invisible, undetectable unicorns in Star Wars.
"There could be more" really doesn't mean anything.
Sure, there could be more, but as long as you don't see any more, as long as nobody (in-universe) mentions there are more, one should assume there aren't.

Your talking in circles here.


So are you.

Everyone would need to get blood tested for your plan to work and you're asking a civilization so bureaucratically inept that it couldn't manage a census to do this.


Not everyone. Most of the people.
Which is doable.

If people only used solutions that are 100% foolproof, there wouldn't be much happening.
I believe the blood method would find more force-sensitive people than the current one.

And the empire isn't bureaucratically inept.
They are able to build moon-sized weapons of mass-destruction, massive star destroyers and maintain the largest navy in the universe.
This requires massive amounts of recources.
Who makes sure those get where they are needed?
The bureaucracy.
There tactics and strategies might need some work, but their bureaucracy works.
It might not be the most efficient or the best. But it works.
I wouldn't call them bureaucratically inept.

The Empire's ineptitude is why the rebellion even exists.


The rebellion exists because the empire stomps on everyone that doesn't support them (and some that do) and because they tend to do morally questionable things.
The mere existence of rebellion isn't a sign of ineptitude.

Rebels aren't easily wiped out.
Crush ten and there's another one that was hiding under a rock.

If anything there's relatively little rebellion.
Think about it, where did all the seperatists go?

It's an important plot point of the series and just saying it isn't so doesn't change that.


You're exagarating.

How did the rebels destroy the first death star?
Dumb luck.
Loads of it.

How did the rebels destroy the second death star?
Dumb luck.

It isn't a plot point.

The empire isn't incompetent.
The heroes simply get so much plot armour that they could make anyone seem incompetent.
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Postby Ism » Mon May 22, 2017 7:16 am

Alekseandrea wrote:

How did the rebels destroy the first death star?
Dumb luck.
Loads of it.

How did the rebels destroy the second death star?
Dumb luck.



In my experience, there's no such thing as luck.

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Postby Alekseandrea » Mon May 22, 2017 7:25 am

Ism wrote:
Alekseandrea wrote:

How did the rebels destroy the first death star?
Dumb luck.
Loads of it.

How did the rebels destroy the second death star?
Dumb luck.



In my experience, there's no such thing as luck.


Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.
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Postby Dylar » Mon May 22, 2017 8:18 am

Alekseandrea wrote:
Ism wrote:
In my experience, there's no such thing as luck.


Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.

I find your lack of faith...disturbing
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Postby Uinted Communist of Africa » Mon May 22, 2017 8:26 am

Dylar wrote:
Alekseandrea wrote:
Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.

I find your lack of faith...disturbing

You under estimate the power of a blaster.
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Postby Skylus » Mon May 22, 2017 8:26 am

Uinted Communist of Africa wrote:
Dylar wrote:I find your lack of faith...disturbing

You under estimate the power of a blaster.

You underestimate the power of the Force!
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Postby Uinted Communist of Africa » Mon May 22, 2017 8:27 am

My aim has doubled since the last time we met......
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon May 22, 2017 8:29 am

Uinted Communist of Africa wrote:My aim has doubled since the last time we met......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHH6YVHGh90
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Postby Skylus » Mon May 22, 2017 8:29 am

We need a title for the second thread.

Also can someone change the poll?
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Postby Uinted Communist of Africa » Mon May 22, 2017 8:30 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Uinted Communist of Africa wrote:My aim has doubled since the last time we met......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHH6YVHGh90

Ah but you see this is a Force resistant room my friend...never confront a Jedi with out something force resistant.
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Postby The Red Snow » Mon May 22, 2017 8:31 am

Hey I'm just putting this out here. What is your favorite Storm Trooper Specialization, like Jump-Trooper or Scout Trooper, even Dark Troopers.

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Postby Uinted Communist of Africa » Mon May 22, 2017 8:33 am

The Red Snow wrote:Hey I'm just putting this out here. What is your favorite Storm Trooper Specialization, like Jump-Trooper or Scout Trooper, even Dark Troopers.

I like the original ones....they're shiny.
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Postby Dylar » Mon May 22, 2017 8:34 am

The Red Snow wrote:Hey I'm just putting this out here. What is your favorite Storm Trooper Specialization, like Jump-Trooper or Scout Trooper, even Dark Troopers.

Imperial Commandos. They're pretty sick. Especially since they used to be the Old Republic's ARC Troopers and Commandos.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon May 22, 2017 8:45 am

The Red Snow wrote:Hey I'm just putting this out here. What is your favorite Storm Trooper Specialization, like Jump-Trooper or Scout Trooper, even Dark Troopers.

I always liked the scout troopers, thought they looked the best in terms of armour and what not.
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Postby Uinted Communist of Africa » Mon May 22, 2017 9:31 am

yeah scout troops is my number 2
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon May 22, 2017 9:35 am

But Clone troopers are my favourites overall, especially the phase one armour.
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Postby Alvecia » Mon May 22, 2017 9:40 am

I kinda like the Hoth troopers

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon May 22, 2017 9:41 am

Alvecia wrote:I kinda like the Hoth troopers

Oh yeah the snow troopers are cool looking too.

And the clone troopers with the purple version of it you see in ROTS.
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Postby Uinted Communist of Africa » Mon May 22, 2017 9:42 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Alvecia wrote:I kinda like the Hoth troopers

Oh yeah the snow troopers are cool looking too.

they are so freakin annoying on Star wars battle front(the original ones you unholy bastards)they always blend in with the snow.
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Postby Alvecia » Mon May 22, 2017 9:43 am

Uinted Communist of Africa wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Oh yeah the snow troopers are cool looking too.

they are so freakin annoying on Star wars battle front(the original ones you unholy bastards)they always blend in with the snow.

Doing their jobs rights :P

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon May 22, 2017 9:45 am

Alvecia wrote:
Uinted Communist of Africa wrote:they are so freakin annoying on Star wars battle front(the original ones you unholy bastards)they always blend in with the snow.

Doing their jobs rights :P

Man i cant find these snow troopers on this snow planet :lol:

Only making fun, but yeah it makes sense.
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Postby Uinted Communist of Africa » Mon May 22, 2017 9:45 am

Alvecia wrote:
Uinted Communist of Africa wrote:they are so freakin annoying on Star wars battle front(the original ones you unholy bastards)they always blend in with the snow.

Doing their jobs rights :P

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