Many Bothans Died To Bring You THE STAR WARS THREAD

[New haven america]

So is the new movie any good?

[Drawkland]

So is the new movie any good?

Absolutely. I just got back from watching it, I highly recommend seeing it.

As soon as possible too, if you wanna avoid any spoilers. They're gonna come in hot.

[Zeinbrad]

Female protagonist and interracial romance. Breaking barriers there.

[New haven america]

So is the new movie any good?

Absolutely. I just got back from watching it, I highly recommend seeing it.

As soon as possible too, if you wanna avoid any spoilers. They're gonna come in hot.

Ok. Was worried after Star Wars Rebels.

I avoided spoilers for Inside Out, I can avoid spoilers for this. *Nod*

[Czechanada]

It was worse than the prequels, and that's an insult to the prequels.

[Zeinbrad]

It was worse than the prequels, and that's an insult to the prequels.

Even opinions need support.

[Czechanada]

It was worse than the prequels, and that's an insult to the prequels.

Even opinions need support.

I'll elaborate tomorrow. I just got home from the theatre.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

My movie going experience.

[Zeinbrad]

Even opinions need support.

I'll elaborate tomorrow. I just got home from the theatre.

Why do I feel this is going to be very confusing and just trying to be different?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Even opinions need support.

I'll elaborate tomorrow. I just got home from the theatre.

......you takin a piss mate?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Episode VII felt like watching Episode IV again, but in a really good way.

[Eol Sha]

Saw the film. Am conflicted. This review perfectly describes the mix of emotions I'm feeling. I recommend seeing it, though.

Long story short, the film felt more like a self-indulgent homage than a new and unique film.

[New haven america]

Saw the film. Am conflicted. This review perfectly describes the mix of emotions I'm feeling. I recommend seeing it, though.

Long story short, the film felt more like a self-indulgent homage than a new and unique film.

Was kinda expecting that.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Saw the film. Am conflicted. This review perfectly describes the mix of emotions I'm feeling. I recommend seeing it, though.

Long story short, the film felt more like a self-indulgent homage than a new and unique film.

I agree, but that's what makes it so good. It gave the people what they wanted. It's the perfect foundation to build the new trilogy on. Bring in some new, some old. People see the characters they love, while falling in love with the new characters, and you've got people invested. Now you can go forward and really flesh out that new era. Basically, JJ did everything right with Episode VII that GL fucked up with Episode 1

[Havl]

It was worse than the prequels, and that's an insult to the prequels.

That's some bullshit. Episode VII = (Episode IV + Episode V)/2

[Tarsonis Survivors]

It was worse than the prequels, and that's an insult to the prequels.

That's some bullshit. Episode VII = (Episode IV + Episode V)/2

...so 4.5?

[Eol Sha]

Saw the film. Am conflicted. This review perfectly describes the mix of emotions I'm feeling. I recommend seeing it, though.

Long story short, the film felt more like a self-indulgent homage than a new and unique film.

I agree, but that's what makes it so good. It gave the people what they wanted. It's the perfect foundation to build the new trilogy on. Bring in some new, some old. People see the characters they love, while falling in love with the new characters, and you've got people invested. Now you can go forward and really flesh out that new era. Basically, JJ did everything right with Episode VII that GL fucked up with Episode 1

In my opinion, the film reveled too much in the past. Some homage would have been great, but the homaging saturated the film and consistently managed to distract me from the actual movie. Plus, the film's ultimate end, not the very end with Luke, annoyed me. JJ couldn't have thought up something more original than a third Death Star? I mean, come on. I also didn't appreciate how Kylo was defeated by Rey. Sure, he'd been wounded several times already and, sure, Rey had been shown to be a pretty capable close quarters fighter, but his defeat urked me a little. Fighting with a lightsaber should be different from fighting with an admittedly wicked-looking staff.

My ultimate issue with the film is twofold. One is that I wanted it to be different and unique. Unfortunately, it wasn't. Two is that I hyped it up so hard that I was destined to be somewhat disappointed with it when I saw it.

All that said, the other aspects of the movie were great. The actors were good and the movie was shot beautifully. I had a few issues with some of the sound effects (namely the blasters), but that's besides the point.

Anyway, I'm going to be seeing it again on Friday and Monday. A fresh viewing may change my initial opinion of TFA.

Also, that damn ball droid, BB-8, got on my nerves every time it came onscreen. *eye-twitch*

I am oddly OK with Han's death. Not really "ok", but you probably get the point. He just better not be brought back to life.

I also enjoyed Kylo Ren. The mofo is legit nuts and that's something that is actually different from previous Star Wars films. Vader may choke people out for failing him, but Ren flips out in a way that is enjoyable to watch.

[Bralia]

I agree, but that's what makes it so good. It gave the people what they wanted. It's the perfect foundation to build the new trilogy on. Bring in some new, some old. People see the characters they love, while falling in love with the new characters, and you've got people invested. Now you can go forward and really flesh out that new era. Basically, JJ did everything right with Episode VII that GL fucked up with Episode 1

In my opinion, the film reveled too much in the past. Some homage would have been great, but the homaging saturated the film and consistently managed to distract me from the actual movie. Plus, the film's ultimate end, not the very end with Luke, annoyed me. JJ couldn't have thought up something more original than a third Death Star? I mean, come on. I also didn't appreciate how Kylo was defeated by Rey. Sure, he'd been wounded several times already and, sure, Rey had been shown to be a pretty capable close quarters fighter, but his defeat urked me a little. Fighting with a lightsaber should be different from fighting with an admittedly wicked-looking staff.

My ultimate issue with the film is twofold. One is that I wanted it to be different and unique. Unfortunately, it wasn't. Two is that I hyped it up so hard that I was destined to be somewhat disappointed with it when I saw it.

All that said, the other aspects of the movie were great. The actors were good and the movie was shot beautifully. I had a few issues with some of the sound effects (namely the blasters), but that's besides the point.

Anyway, I'm going to be seeing it again on Friday and Monday. A fresh viewing may change my initial opinion of TFA.

Also, that damn ball droid, BB-8, got on my nerves every time it came onscreen. *eye-twitch*

I am oddly OK with Han's death. Not really "ok", but you probably get the point. He just better not be brought back to life.

I also enjoyed Kylo Ren. The mofo is legit nuts and that's something that is actually different from previous Star Wars films. Vader may choke people out for failing him, but Ren flips out in a way that is enjoyable to watch.

A third Death Star? Seriously? This is a universe that has played with an egregious amount of over-the-top superweapons and that's the best they could come up with? Did NOBODY even take a casual glance at the EU, at least for some inspiration? And even then, anybody could be more imaginative if they put some thought into it without using any source material.

A thought for conversation: What would make a good replacement for the Death Star as the big bad prop? Would would go well with the big screen and appeal to new movie-goers as well as all of us oldies and still feel like Star Wars?

[Eol Sha]

In my opinion, the film reveled too much in the past. Some homage would have been great, but the homaging saturated the film and consistently managed to distract me from the actual movie. Plus, the film's ultimate end, not the very end with Luke, annoyed me. JJ couldn't have thought up something more original than a third Death Star? I mean, come on. I also didn't appreciate how Kylo was defeated by Rey. Sure, he'd been wounded several times already and, sure, Rey had been shown to be a pretty capable close quarters fighter, but his defeat urked me a little. Fighting with a lightsaber should be different from fighting with an admittedly wicked-looking staff.

My ultimate issue with the film is twofold. One is that I wanted it to be different and unique. Unfortunately, it wasn't. Two is that I hyped it up so hard that I was destined to be somewhat disappointed with it when I saw it.

All that said, the other aspects of the movie were great. The actors were good and the movie was shot beautifully. I had a few issues with some of the sound effects (namely the blasters), but that's besides the point.

Anyway, I'm going to be seeing it again on Friday and Monday. A fresh viewing may change my initial opinion of TFA.

Also, that damn ball droid, BB-8, got on my nerves every time it came onscreen. *eye-twitch*

I am oddly OK with Han's death. Not really "ok", but you probably get the point. He just better not be brought back to life.

I also enjoyed Kylo Ren. The mofo is legit nuts and that's something that is actually different from previous Star Wars films. Vader may choke people out for failing him, but Ren flips out in a way that is enjoyable to watch.

A third Death Star? Seriously? This is a universe that has played with an egregious amount of over-the-top superweapons and that's the best they could come up with? Did NOBODY even take a casual glance at the EU, at least for some inspiration? And even then, anybody could be more imaginative if they put some thought into it without using any source material.

A thought for conversation: What would make a good replacement for the Death Star as the big bad prop? Would would go well with the big screen and appeal to new movie-goers as well as all of us oldies and still feel like Star Wars?

I would have been perfectly satisfied with a big, set-piece naval battle ala the Battle of Coruscant from RotS or the Battle of Endor. A bigger Death Star that fires multiple beams instead of one isn't particularly creative. I also wish a little more time was spent on just what the differences between the New Republic, the First Order, and the Resistance were. I spent half the movie thinking the First Order ruled the galaxy. Instead they control part of it and are engaged in some kind of conflict, the nature of which is unknown, with the New Republic. Is it a cold war or a hot war? I don't know.

That said, I am left wanting to watch the next film. If only to learn more about the political situation of the galaxy.

Possible overthinking on the part of Slate, but some good points are made. I saw the Kylo-Jacen remix, but that's about it.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I agree, but that's what makes it so good. It gave the people what they wanted. It's the perfect foundation to build the new trilogy on. Bring in some new, some old. People see the characters they love, while falling in love with the new characters, and you've got people invested. Now you can go forward and really flesh out that new era. Basically, JJ did everything right with Episode VII that GL fucked up with Episode 1

In my opinion, the film reveled too much in the past. Some homage would have been great, but the homaging saturated the film and consistently managed to distract me from the actual movie. Plus, the film's ultimate end, not the very end with Luke, annoyed me. JJ couldn't have thought up something more original than a third Death Star? I mean, come on. I also didn't appreciate how Kylo was defeated by Rey. Sure, he'd been wounded several times already and, sure, Rey had been shown to be a pretty capable close quarters fighter, but his defeat urked me a little. Fighting with a lightsaber should be different from fighting with an admittedly wicked-looking staff.

My ultimate issue with the film is twofold. One is that I wanted it to be different and unique. Unfortunately, it wasn't. Two is that I hyped it up so hard that I was destined to be somewhat disappointed with it when I saw it.

All that said, the other aspects of the movie were great. The actors were good and the movie was shot beautifully. I had a few issues with some of the sound effects (namely the blasters), but that's besides the point.

Anyway, I'm going to be seeing it again on Friday and Monday. A fresh viewing may change my initial opinion of TFA.

Also, that damn ball droid, BB-8, got on my nerves every time it came onscreen. *eye-twitch*

I am oddly OK with Han's death. Not really "ok", but you probably get the point. He just better not be brought back to life.

I also enjoyed Kylo Ren. The mofo is legit nuts and that's something that is actually different from previous Star Wars films. Vader may choke people out for failing him, but Ren flips out in a way that is enjoyable to watch.

You and I are opposites there then mates. I actually didn't want something new and different, I wanted something that would feel right at home in the SW universe, and on that JJ delivered in spades. I was actually happy that there wasn't so much Deus ex Machina. Stuff that happened was explained and set up. The Resistance showing up to save the day? Was set up. Solo just happening upon his old ship? Explained. Even Finn's defection didn't feel forced. I especially liked when Finn was like "it's the right thing to do" And Poe essentially responded with "bullshit"

Actually the only thing that Irked me about Ren's defeat was the convenient chasm opening up between them. That was forced. Him being defeated, but not destroyed however I thought was fitting, Ren isn't a true sith yet, he's an apprentice. He's powerful, but not thoroughly trained. (Freezing weapon blasts was a nice touch). Rey is more powerful than he is, but untrained. She is however so obviously Luke's daughter. Luke left her on that planet, to hide her from Ren, after Ren fucked all that shit up, the same way Luke and Lea were hidden from Vader. It's subtly played and never expressly spoken, but there is a recognition from all the Skywalkers. Lea recognizes her as family almost instantly. That hug she gives her is more than just I "know you liked Han too." It was hugging someone she never thought she'd see again. And Rey even had the struggled moment where she was confused on "I know this person" Han figured it out less quickly. The give away on that was when Maz asked "So who's the girl." And Luke's response is clear recognition of who this girl is, and her desperate facial expression is knowing the truth but needing it to be confirmed, needing her father to embrace her. Even Ren, is intrigued with her, as if he's certain he knows her, but just can't quite put his finger on from where.

The other thing that irked me was, how I knew Han was dead as soon as they pulled out the bottomless pit scene.

As for the droid, I actually thought BB-8 was great, and unfairly judged for being a soccer ball. People may not dig the design, but I thought he was actually quite endearing, and probably had the character presence GL wished he could have gotten out of R2.




Also the comic relief I thought was done exceptionally well, spaced out over characters instead of just one Jar Jar replacement. And it wasn't stupid slapstick either like from ROTS. My favorite was the Storm Troopers at the end, that see Ren flipping the shit out and just go the other way. As Veteran that resonated with me, soooo much.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

A third Death Star? Seriously? This is a universe that has played with an egregious amount of over-the-top superweapons and that's the best they could come up with? Did NOBODY even take a casual glance at the EU, at least for some inspiration? And even then, anybody could be more imaginative if they put some thought into it without using any source material.

A thought for conversation: What would make a good replacement for the Death Star as the big bad prop? Would would go well with the big screen and appeal to new movie-goers as well as all of us oldies and still feel like Star Wars?

I would have been perfectly satisfied with a big, set-piece naval battle ala the Battle of Coruscant from RotS or the Battle of Endor. A bigger Death Star that fires multiple beams instead of one isn't particularly creative. I also wish a little more time was spent on just what the differences between the New Republic, the First Order, and the Resistance were. I spent half the movie thinking the First Order ruled the galaxy. Instead they control part of it and are engaged in some kind of conflict, the nature of which is unknown, with the New Republic. Is it a cold war or a hot war? I don't know.

That said, I am left wanting to watch the next film. If only to learn more about the political situation of the galaxy.

Possible overthinking on the part of Slate, but some good points are made. I saw the Kylo-Jacen remix, but that's about it.

From what I gathered, was the Resistance was part of the Republic, but sort of a designated task force as opposed to the whole force of the Republic which had other shit to do.

[Eol Sha]

I would have been perfectly satisfied with a big, set-piece naval battle ala the Battle of Coruscant from RotS or the Battle of Endor. A bigger Death Star that fires multiple beams instead of one isn't particularly creative. I also wish a little more time was spent on just what the differences between the New Republic, the First Order, and the Resistance were. I spent half the movie thinking the First Order ruled the galaxy. Instead they control part of it and are engaged in some kind of conflict, the nature of which is unknown, with the New Republic. Is it a cold war or a hot war? I don't know.

That said, I am left wanting to watch the next film. If only to learn more about the political situation of the galaxy.

Possible overthinking on the part of Slate, but some good points are made. I saw the Kylo-Jacen remix, but that's about it.

From what I gathered, was the Resistance was part of the Republic, but sort of a designated task force as opposed to the whole force of the Republic which had other shit to do.

Well, yeah. I got that by the end.

[Eol Sha]

In my opinion, the film reveled too much in the past. Some homage would have been great, but the homaging saturated the film and consistently managed to distract me from the actual movie. Plus, the film's ultimate end, not the very end with Luke, annoyed me. JJ couldn't have thought up something more original than a third Death Star? I mean, come on. I also didn't appreciate how Kylo was defeated by Rey. Sure, he'd been wounded several times already and, sure, Rey had been shown to be a pretty capable close quarters fighter, but his defeat urked me a little. Fighting with a lightsaber should be different from fighting with an admittedly wicked-looking staff.

My ultimate issue with the film is twofold. One is that I wanted it to be different and unique. Unfortunately, it wasn't. Two is that I hyped it up so hard that I was destined to be somewhat disappointed with it when I saw it.

All that said, the other aspects of the movie were great. The actors were good and the movie was shot beautifully. I had a few issues with some of the sound effects (namely the blasters), but that's besides the point.

Anyway, I'm going to be seeing it again on Friday and Monday. A fresh viewing may change my initial opinion of TFA.

Also, that damn ball droid, BB-8, got on my nerves every time it came onscreen. *eye-twitch*

I am oddly OK with Han's death. Not really "ok", but you probably get the point. He just better not be brought back to life.

I also enjoyed Kylo Ren. The mofo is legit nuts and that's something that is actually different from previous Star Wars films. Vader may choke people out for failing him, but Ren flips out in a way that is enjoyable to watch.

You and I are opposites there then mates. I actually didn't want something new and different, I wanted something that would feel right at home in the SW universe, and on that JJ delivered in spades. I was actually happy that there wasn't so much Deus ex Machina. Stuff that happened was explained and set up. The Resistance showing up to save the day? Was set up. Solo just happening upon his old ship? Explained. Even Finn's defection didn't feel forced. I especially liked when Finn was like "it's the right thing to do" And Poe essentially responded with "bullshit"

Actually the only thing that Irked me about Ren's defeat was the convenient chasm opening up between them. That was forced. Him being defeated, but not destroyed however I thought was fitting, Ren isn't a true sith yet, he's an apprentice. He's powerful, but not thoroughly trained. (Freezing weapon blasts was a nice touch). Rey is more powerful than he is, but untrained. She is however so obviously Luke's daughter. Luke left her on that planet, to hide her from Ren, after Ren fucked all that shit up, the same way Luke and Lea were hidden from Vader. It's subtly played and never expressly spoken, but there is a recognition from all the Skywalkers. Lea recognizes her as family almost instantly. That hug she gives her is more than just I "know you liked Han too." It was hugging someone she never thought she'd see again. And Rey even had the struggled moment where she was confused on "I know this person" Han figured it out less quickly. The give away on that was when Maz asked "So who's the girl." And Luke's response is clear recognition of who this girl is, and her desperate facial expression is knowing the truth but needing it to be confirmed, needing her father to embrace her. Even Ren, is intrigued with her, as if he's certain he knows her, but just can't quite put his finger on from where.

The other thing that irked me was, how I knew Han was dead as soon as they pulled out the bottomless pit scene.

As for the droid, I actually thought BB-8 was great, and unfairly judged for being a soccer ball. People may not dig the design, but I thought he was actually quite endearing, and probably had the character presence GL wished he could have gotten out of R2.

Don't get me wrong. I didn't want unexplained events. I didn't want a Deus ex Machina or anything like that. Just a certain level of uniqueness that set TFA apart from the original trilogy. The film was a great homage to A New Hope, but if you were looking for something original and new like I was you wouldn't have found it.

Ren isn't a true sith yet, he's an apprentice.

As was Vader, but I wouldn't not call him a true Sith.

Lea recognizes her as family almost instantly. That hug she gives her is more than just I "know you liked Han too." It was hugging someone she never thought she'd see again.

Eh. I think she should have hugged Chewbacca, one of her oldest friends, before Rey, but whatever. That's semantics.

she is however so obviously Luke's daughter.

That was obvious the moment she touched Luke's lightsaber. That scene was pretty cool.

He's powerful, but not thoroughly trained.

Hardly. He was trained well enough by Luke to destroy the New Jedi Order and run his old Master into obscurity. I'm not saying his defeat wasn't justified. His being shot by Chewbacca and injured a couple of times by Finn makes his defeat logical.

[Bralia]

A third Death Star? Seriously? This is a universe that has played with an egregious amount of over-the-top superweapons and that's the best they could come up with? Did NOBODY even take a casual glance at the EU, at least for some inspiration? And even then, anybody could be more imaginative if they put some thought into it without using any source material.

A thought for conversation: What would make a good replacement for the Death Star as the big bad prop? Would would go well with the big screen and appeal to new movie-goers as well as all of us oldies and still feel like Star Wars?

I would have been perfectly satisfied with a big, set-piece naval battle ala the Battle of Coruscant from RotS or the Battle of Endor. A bigger Death Star that fires multiple beams instead of one isn't particularly creative. I also wish a little more time was spent on just what the differences between the New Republic, the First Order, and the Resistance were. I spent half the movie thinking the First Order ruled the galaxy. Instead they control part of it and are engaged in some kind of conflict, the nature of which is unknown, with the New Republic. Is it a cold war or a hot war? I don't know.

That said, I am left wanting to watch the next film. If only to learn more about the political situation of the galaxy.

Possible overthinking on the part of Slate, but some good points are made. I saw the Kylo-Jacen remix, but that's about it.

At least we finally get to see what a completed Death Star can do. Just saw something to about the thing destroying an entire star system. \o/

Plans officially set to see the movie just under two weeks from now.

[Zeinbrad]

Why does kylo keep hitting himself in the chest towards the end? Does his armor have built in medpacs or something?