Computer General Discussion Thread

[Bezombia]

Oh yeah, I have a troubleshooting problem, although I don't know if it is the CPU, Mobo or PSU.

I try to power on my computer, and the case fan turns on for a second. Following that, it shuts down. What should I do? Should I spent another $79.99 on a new mobo, should I get a new CPU (I would get an 8370 if I could), or should I replace my 6 month old i600 PSU.

Note: Half of the PSU's short lifetime was Dogecoin mining

A "the fans turn on but nobody's home" problem can usually be attributed to a power cable not being plugged in properly.

Ill specify a realistic computer (parts out) that I would want if I had the cash

Intel 5960X oc'ed to 7GHz with liquid nitrogen cooling
2x128GB DDR4 3133MHz
4x AMD R9 295X2 oc'ed to something crazy like 2GHZ via liquid nitrogen
4x 1TB SSD in RAID
6x 6TB HDD in RAID
[Insert some crazy motherboard]
2x 1600W PSU
6x 5K Monitors
Specially built desk to hold the huge motherboard with water cooling on the sides of the desk to make stuff extra cool

This would probably last me a very long time without any upgrades

You can't quad SLI dual GPU cards. At all. Sorry.


-Intel Xeon E5-2690 v3 12-core overclocked to 3.5 GHz
-192GB of DDR4 ECC memory, the max that W7 can support
-LGA2011v3 mobo obviously
-4x Nvidia Quadro K6000
-1x 512TB Sony Tape Drive
-25x 1TB SSDs in RAID 0 (if the admin of pcmasterrace can, so can I)
-55x 4TB HDDs in RAID 0-0-6 (using FHDs obviously)
-6x 3840x1440 monitors for a total resolution of 11520x3880
-Custom loop hybrid water and liquid nitrogen cooling system replacing all coolers

[Antarticaria]

Oh yeah, I have a troubleshooting problem, although I don't know if it is the CPU, Mobo or PSU.

I try to power on my computer, and the case fan turns on for a second. Following that, it shuts down. What should I do? Should I spent another $79.99 on a new mobo, should I get a new CPU (I would get an 8370 if I could), or should I replace my 6 month old i600 PSU.

Note: Half of the PSU's short lifetime was Dogecoin mining

Check to make sure your power connectors are properly attached to the motherboard, if there a open plug on the board you done fucked up, from how it sounds you may have missed or havent properly snapped in a smaller plug on the mobo (For me that would be a 8 Pin located above the CPU at the top of the board).

[Spoder]

Oh yeah, I have a troubleshooting problem, although I don't know if it is the CPU, Mobo or PSU.

I try to power on my computer, and the case fan turns on for a second. Following that, it shuts down. What should I do? Should I spent another $79.99 on a new mobo, should I get a new CPU (I would get an 8370 if I could), or should I replace my 6 month old i600 PSU.

Note: Half of the PSU's short lifetime was Dogecoin mining

A "the fans turn on but nobody's home" problem can usually be attributed to a power cable not being plugged in properly.

Ill specify a realistic computer (parts out) that I would want if I had the cash

Intel 5960X oc'ed to 7GHz with liquid nitrogen cooling
2x128GB DDR4 3133MHz
4x AMD R9 295X2 oc'ed to something crazy like 2GHZ via liquid nitrogen
4x 1TB SSD in RAID
6x 6TB HDD in RAID
[Insert some crazy motherboard]
2x 1600W PSU
6x 5K Monitors
Specially built desk to hold the huge motherboard with water cooling on the sides of the desk to make stuff extra cool

This would probably last me a very long time without any upgrades

You can't quad SLI dual GPU cards. At all. Sorry.


-Intel Xeon E5-2690 v3 12-core overclocked to 3.5 GHz
-192GB of DDR4 ECC memory, the max that W7 can support
-LGA2011v3 mobo obviously
-4x Nvidia Quadro K6000
-1x 512TB Sony Tape Drive
-25x 1TB SSDs in RAID 0 (if the admin of pcmasterrace can, so can I)
-55x 4TB HDDs in RAID 0-0-6 (using FHDs obviously)
-6x 3840x1440 monitors for a total resolution of 11520x3880
-Custom loop hybrid water and liquid nitrogen cooling system replacing all coolers

Lol you guys must not know anything about LN2 cooling if you think you could run a 24/7 loop..

Not to mention that on a Xeon, it would be dangerous for the health of the CPU, as it would be way too cold...

Why Quadros? Do you do graphic design?

And if you want the extreme RAM (which would be bottlenecked by the rest of your components), why use Windows? Linux and Unix based OSes would be much better suited.

Six 4k monitors, with only 4 K6000s? Feh.

[Bezombia]

A "the fans turn on but nobody's home" problem can usually be attributed to a power cable not being plugged in properly.


You can't quad SLI dual GPU cards. At all. Sorry.


-Intel Xeon E5-2690 v3 12-core overclocked to 3.5 GHz
-192GB of DDR4 ECC memory, the max that W7 can support
-LGA2011v3 mobo obviously
-4x Nvidia Quadro K6000
-1x 512TB Sony Tape Drive
-25x 1TB SSDs in RAID 0 (if the admin of pcmasterrace can, so can I)
-55x 4TB HDDs in RAID 0-0-6 (using FHDs obviously)
-6x 3840x1440 monitors for a total resolution of 11520x3880
-Custom loop hybrid water and liquid nitrogen cooling system replacing all coolers

Lol you guys must not know anything about LN2 cooling if you think you could run a 24/7 loop..

Not to mention that on a Xeon, it would be dangerous for the health of the CPU, as it would be way too cold...

Why Quadros? Do you do graphic design?

And if you want the extreme RAM (which would be bottlenecked by the rest of your components), why use Windows? Linux and Unix based OSes would be much better suited.

Six 4k monitors, with only 4 K6000s? Feh.

Because that rig isn't for gaming, it's for bitcoin mining.

[Shnercropolis]

how well do you guys think the new A10-7850K and some 2133MHz ram would be able to do some mid-level (linux) gaming?
In my experience the older APUs are more than capable in a linuxbox, so I wonder if the new Kaveri architecture will give any improvement at all.

[Bezombia]

linux gaming?

hahaha

[Shnercropolis]

linux gaming?

hahaha

haven't you heard? it's all the rage these days.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

hahaha

haven't you heard? it's all the rage these days.

I generally just use emulators on my linux system.

N64 and SNES emulators so far. I don't know how well would a Dreamcast emulator run in an XPS M1330.

[Bezombia]

So remember a week ago when I started complaining about how my internet was roughly 200 Kbps faster than before?

Well...it is. It literally, literally is.

Here's a graph of my internet speeds from early August to today:



The first high point is 3.8 Mbps, the speed I pay for and the speed I got for over a year. As you can see, it starts to gradually rise until early September, when it levels out at around 4.0.

Utterly fascinating.

[Republic of Coldwater]

how well do you guys think the new A10-7850K and some 2133MHz ram would be able to do some mid-level (linux) gaming?
In my experience the older APUs are more than capable in a linuxbox, so I wonder if the new Kaveri architecture will give any improvement at all.

I tried it on a friend's rig, and it is capable of 30fps on medium settings in BF4. It is sure as hell capable of playing TF2, Civilization, Minecraft and other games that are on Linux (I don't know about the Witcher thou)

[Shnercropolis]

how well do you guys think the new A10-7850K and some 2133MHz ram would be able to do some mid-level (linux) gaming?
In my experience the older APUs are more than capable in a linuxbox, so I wonder if the new Kaveri architecture will give any improvement at all.

I tried it on a friend's rig, and it is capable of 30fps on medium settings in BF4. It is sure as hell capable of playing TF2, Civilization, Minecraft and other games that are on Linux (I don't know about the Witcher thou)

I can play Witcher 2 right now with the A8-6600K on medium-low.
The question is, does the newer design give any tangible benefits? Anyone used both?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So remember a week ago when I started complaining about how my internet was roughly 200 Kbps faster than before?

Well...it is. It literally, literally is.

Here's a graph of my internet speeds from early August to today:

(Image)

The first high point is 3.8 Mbps, the speed I pay for and the speed I got for over a year. As you can see, it starts to gradually rise until early September, when it levels out at around 4.0.

Utterly fascinating.

"Complaining" would not be the word I'd use in this particular scenario

[Bezombia]

how well do you guys think the new A10-7850K and some 2133MHz ram would be able to do some mid-level (linux) gaming?
In my experience the older APUs are more than capable in a linuxbox, so I wonder if the new Kaveri architecture will give any improvement at all.

I tried it on a friend's rig, and it is capable of 30fps on medium settings in BF4. It is sure as hell capable of playing TF2, Civilization, Minecraft and other games that are on Linux (I don't know about the Witcher thou)

You haven't really tested to see if your computer can "play" Civilization until you've played til the end on a 260x180 map with 35 civilizations.

[Corvus Metallum]

https://system76.com/laptops/

So, I was ls loping around Google for some laptops that I may be interested in when I have the money. I was highly surprised to find someone that make laptops with Ubuntu off the shelf. That being said, I don't feel like paying $750 for a laptop with an OS I have no clue how to operate.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

https://system76.com/laptops/

So, I was ls loping around Google for some laptops that I may be interested in when I have the money. I was highly surprised to find someone that make laptops with Ubuntu off the shelf. That being said, I don't feel like paying $750 for a laptop with an OS I have no clue how to operate.

Well, you do have an internal CD drive on the 750 one so you can always change it.

But in general I fucking hate Unity. It's not that it's bad, it's just not what I am used to.

I was with Gnome 3 but the thing is slow as fuck even on my laptop so I switched to KDE.

[Bezombia]

https://system76.com/laptops/

So, I was ls loping around Google for some laptops that I may be interested in when I have the money. I was highly surprised to find someone that make laptops with Ubuntu off the shelf. That being said, I don't feel like paying $750 for a laptop with an OS I have no clue how to operate.

Well, you do have an internal CD drive on the 750 one so you can always change it.

But in general I fucking hate Unity. It's not that it's bad, it's just not what I am used to.

I was with Gnome 3 but the thing is slow as fuck even on my laptop so I switched to KDE.

Unity is absolute shit. Feels like I'm using a Mac. So much wasted screen space, so much nonsensical design decisions (I fucking HATE the "let's pin everything to the fucking taskbar" ideology that Macs and Unity have).

I like Gnome's UI a lot better. Cinnamon is nice, but not quite as good. Haven't tried KDE recently.

[Czechanada]

Well, you do have an internal CD drive on the 750 one so you can always change it.

But in general I fucking hate Unity. It's not that it's bad, it's just not what I am used to.

I was with Gnome 3 but the thing is slow as fuck even on my laptop so I switched to KDE.

Unity is absolute shit. Feels like I'm using a Mac. So much wasted screen space, so much nonsensical design decisions (I fucking HATE the "let's pin everything to the fucking taskbar" ideology that Macs and Unity have).

I like Gnome's UI a lot better. Cinnamon is nice, but not quite as good. Haven't tried KDE recently.

MATE for the win.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well, you do have an internal CD drive on the 750 one so you can always change it.

But in general I fucking hate Unity. It's not that it's bad, it's just not what I am used to.

I was with Gnome 3 but the thing is slow as fuck even on my laptop so I switched to KDE.

Unity is absolute shit. Feels like I'm using a Mac. So much wasted screen space, so much nonsensical design decisions (I fucking HATE the "let's pin everything to the fucking taskbar" ideology that Macs and Unity have).

I like Gnome's UI a lot better. Cinnamon is nice, but not quite as good. Haven't tried KDE recently.

I like GNOME but, again, it just tends to crash and do all kinds of shit on my computer so it's not the ideal configuration even though I have a good computer. I'm pretty sure it has to do with my hard drive being old already, but I'll just use it until it can't give anymore.

KDE I like it. The interface is not as minimalistic as GNOME 3, but it works fine on my computer; plus it doesn't spend too many resources on tasks. I particularly like that it finally has a bit of transparency! KDE Plasma, after all these years, finally has built-in translucency. Which is a nice detail for modern OSs. Overall when you start you still get that "close to Windows" feel until you begin messing with the applications.

I have not tried Cinnamon yet.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Unity is absolute shit. Feels like I'm using a Mac. So much wasted screen space, so much nonsensical design decisions (I fucking HATE the "let's pin everything to the fucking taskbar" ideology that Macs and Unity have).

I like Gnome's UI a lot better. Cinnamon is nice, but not quite as good. Haven't tried KDE recently.

MATE for the win.

MATE looks like the old GNOME, which is a nice throwback feel.

My favorites so far though have to be KDE and Openbox.

[Bezombia]

Things I DON'T like in desktop UIs, in order of "most hate" to "least hate":

-Excessive use or misuse of screen space (example: Mac & Unity taskbar)
-Things that move around annoyingly fast (example: windows taskbar when minimized)
-Flat colors (example: windows
-Things that use up too much space than they COULD but not enough to be in your face about it (example: Windows 7 taskbar when using large icons)
-Mismatched sprites (example: Vista's start button)


Things I DO like in desktop UIs, in order of "most like" to "most neutral":

-Efficient and logical usage of screen space (example, 95-Vista start bar)
-UI elements that serve multiple purposes logically (example: Windows 7 start bar [start button, taskbar, running services bar, Aero Peek)
-Transparency (in the literal sense)(example: Aero, Ubuntu's default terminal)
-UI elements that are reasonably small (example: Windows taskbar notification area)
-UI elements that focus on showing you everything BUT the UI (example: Windows Vista, GNOME)
-Efficient use of screen space in regards to edges and corners (example: Windows 7 taskbar, Google Chrome)


My biggest problem with GNOME is that it could easily be one "line" at the bottom of the screen but instead it's two. I can see why this would be done in lower resolutions, but goddammit I have almost two thousand pixels on the bottom of my screen and I want to use them!
The best thing ever would be GNOME but instead of putting the top bar on the top of the screen, it was put on the bottom of my second screen. But I'm fully aware that we'll never ever ever get a GUI designed with multiple monitors in mind.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

My biggest problem with GNOME is that it could easily be one "line" at the bottom of the screen but instead it's two. I can see why this would be done in lower resolutions, but goddammit I have almost two thousand pixels on the bottom of my screen and I want to use them!
The best thing ever would be GNOME but instead of putting the top bar on the top of the screen, it was put on the bottom of my second screen. But I'm fully aware that we'll never ever ever get a GUI designed with multiple monitors in mind.

You still haven't used GNOME 3.x have you?

They do away with the bars and instead they do this:



The notification manager and system icon tray were combined and hidden, now you pull them up by dragging the mouse to the bottom.

KDE on the other hand just became slimmer and now looks like this:

http://news.softpedia.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/kde47ubuntunatty-large_004.jpg

I'm frankly happy with how KDE looks. The old view you're describing was transferred to MATE Desktop which is an option on my Fedora system.

[Bezombia]

My biggest problem with GNOME is that it could easily be one "line" at the bottom of the screen but instead it's two. I can see why this would be done in lower resolutions, but goddammit I have almost two thousand pixels on the bottom of my screen and I want to use them!
The best thing ever would be GNOME but instead of putting the top bar on the top of the screen, it was put on the bottom of my second screen. But I'm fully aware that we'll never ever ever get a GUI designed with multiple monitors in mind.

You still haven't used GNOME 3.x have you?

They do away with the bars and instead they do this:

Good god that looks awful. This is what I've got.

The notification manager and system icon tray were combined and hidden, now you pull them up by dragging the mouse to the bottom.

KDE on the other hand just became slimmer and now looks like this:

http://news.softpedia.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/kde47ubuntunatty-large_004.jpg

I'm frankly happy with how KDE looks. The old view you're describing was transferred to MATE Desktop which is an option on my Fedora system.

That looks a lot better.
And...kinda familiar. I think I might have used that when I ran Slackware for a week or so.

[Bezombia]

I will say this though.

I consider Aero to be the best GUI yet.

Very efficient usage of space (other than the start button, which needs to go back to the XP style rectangle), liberal use of transparency, painless navigation (as opposed to "menus within menus" of most linux uis), etc.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You still haven't used GNOME 3.x have you?

They do away with the bars and instead they do this:

Good god that looks awful. This is what I've got.

The notification manager and system icon tray were combined and hidden, now you pull them up by dragging the mouse to the bottom.

KDE on the other hand just became slimmer and now looks like this:

http://news.softpedia.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/kde47ubuntunatty-large_004.jpg

I'm frankly happy with how KDE looks. The old view you're describing was transferred to MATE Desktop which is an option on my Fedora system.

That looks a lot better.
And...kinda familiar. I think I might have used that when I ran Slackware for a week or so.

Yea, the taskbar was completely overhauled: This is what you get greeted by really

And indeed, KDE looks a lot better than it did years ago.

[Shnercropolis]

Things I DON'T like in desktop UIs, in order of "most hate" to "least hate":

-Excessive use or misuse of screen space (example: Mac & Unity taskbar)
-Things that move around annoyingly fast (example: windows taskbar when minimized)
-Flat colors (example: windows
-Things that use up too much space than they COULD but not enough to be in your face about it (example: Windows 7 taskbar when using large icons)
-Mismatched sprites (example: Vista's start button)


Things I DO like in desktop UIs, in order of "most like" to "most neutral":

-Efficient and logical usage of screen space (example, 95-Vista start bar)
-UI elements that serve multiple purposes logically (example: Windows 7 start bar [start button, taskbar, running services bar, Aero Peek)
-Transparency (in the literal sense)(example: Aero, Ubuntu's default terminal)
-UI elements that are reasonably small (example: Windows taskbar notification area)
-UI elements that focus on showing you everything BUT the UI (example: Windows Vista, GNOME)
-Efficient use of screen space in regards to edges and corners (example: Windows 7 taskbar, Google Chrome)


My biggest problem with GNOME is that it could easily be one "line" at the bottom of the screen but instead it's two. I can see why this would be done in lower resolutions, but goddammit I have almost two thousand pixels on the bottom of my screen and I want to use them!
The best thing ever would be GNOME but instead of putting the top bar on the top of the screen, it was put on the bottom of my second screen. But I'm fully aware that we'll never ever ever get a GUI designed with multiple monitors in mind.

use awesome if that's what you want. It's unltra-minimal, uses screen space to maximum efficiency, and it's fast as shit.