Computer General Discussion Thread

[Ardavia]

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[Minoa]

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The problem with cut and paste product descriptions.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Hm.

I put 10 on my PC, it's alright. Better than 8, at least, though the two settings place annoys me as well, especially when trying to deal with custom themes.

My question is, will putting it on my older laptop be worth it? The thing already runs a little slow, not sure if 10 would help that or make it worse. It would help me with continuity across my machines, I suppose.

[Lechites]

I dunno.
XP is still very widely used in industry, I believe it's due to being a relatively unbloated OS. The number of machines in industrial instrumentation that run on some sort of XP build are phenomenal.

Has nothing to do with it being unbloated.

Has everything to do with legacy applications that cannot run on any new OS's. I'm dealing with this at my work right now, we have several printing programs that do not work on Windows 7 at all. Solution is either try to get it on a VM, or put those systems behind a physical firewall.

Of course there's the option to get a new program that does the same, but that costs money. Money to replace the system, license the program, and train people on how to use a new program.

Unbloated doesn't even factor into it. It all comes down to $$.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I think that, right now, people like myself in the computer repair business have a vested interest in actually learning Windows 10 from scratch.

I don't think many businesses will make the jump, as most businesses know best what they need.

[YellowApple]

So I just found out the PERC 6/i controller on the Dell PE2950 I got only has capacity for a RAID 0 when using 1TB SATA physical disks.

That's interesting, to me at least, given I am not used to deal so much with servers.

That's very interesting, seeing as - to any competent server administrator, at least - RAID 0 is pretty much worthless.

Of course, hardware RAID is also pretty much worthless, seeing as how fragile it tends to be. The slight performance hit (and I do mean slight; I have tested these things) of software RAID is worth not totally losing your RAID in the event of your single-point-of-failure RAID card failing and you being stuck with drives whose data are now totally incompatible with RAID cards from even the same bloody vendor.

So yeah. Software RAID10. Do it.

I think that, right now, people like myself in the computer repair business have a vested interest in actually learning Windows 10 from scratch.

I don't think many businesses will make the jump, as most businesses know best what they need.

I know I'm learning it, primarily because my folks are being nagged to upgrade and I want to be prepared when they inevitably run into problems.

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Damn Winpads and their software-defined behavior. I prefer older mousepads, back in the day when they attached via serial port and you had to put your mouse on them in order for them to connect your computer to your hand.

Yeah linux isn't really usable beyond home/server use unless the business (etc) has specifically set everything up to be linux friendly.

Speaking from personal experience here, it's actually quite usable in a business desktop/workstation role, though this depends on the distro. openSUSE / SUSE Enterprise and CentOS / RHEL are in particular well adapted to the needs of businesses, considering that enterprises are their primary targets.

The only real gotcha remaining is certain printer vendors (namely, Canon and Epson, though the latter is getting better). Even this isn't much of a big deal in an enterprise environment, though; unlike in the home realm, enterprise workstations are typically subject to a lot of automated provisioning, like (for example) having the Canon and Epson drivers deployed automatically via AutoYaST (if they're even installed on the workstations at all; it's usually much more straightforward to just setup a CUPS server and have the workstations connect through that).

And, of course, there's Office, but there are of course plenty of alternatives.

And even then Windows 10 is faster than Puppy

Wat.

and cleaner than any Xfce setup could ever be.

Waat.

I love linux, I really do, but Windows 10 is just too good.

Still not good enough for me to switch back. Of course, that's just, like, my opinion, man, but it's still the same bastard child of VMS and DOS it's always been.

Put enough lipstick on a pig, and all you get is a pig wearing lipstick.

Not unless 3Ds Max appears on Linux

I'd be surprised if it didn't eventually appear on Linux, seeing as how Maya and Softimage both have Linux versions (on the other hand, I don't really see the benefit of 3ds Max v. Maya, but I don't do a whole lot of 3D modeling, so whatever).

[The Matthew Islands]

My Window's 10 upgrade is ready, should I get it?

Also, how does it work, does it like, install then delete the Window's 7 or am I going to have two OS's on my PC but just one of them won't be running?

[Ardoki]

My Window's 10 upgrade is ready, should I get it?

Also, how does it work, does it like, install then delete the Window's 7 or am I going to have two OS's on my PC but just one of them won't be running?

It replaces the Windows 7 files with Windows 10 files.

[The Matthew Islands]

My Window's 10 upgrade is ready, should I get it?

Also, how does it work, does it like, install then delete the Window's 7 or am I going to have two OS's on my PC but just one of them won't be running?

It replaces the Windows 7 files with Windows 10 files.

Cool, so is it worth getting?

[Lechites]

It replaces the Windows 7 files with Windows 10 files.

Cool, so is it worth getting?

Lot of issues with it currently, you have to weigh the pros with the cons.

[Bezombia]

It replaces the Windows 7 files with Windows 10 files.

Cool, so is it worth getting?

It's free. Hard to consider "worth" for something that's free.

If you do get it, you can always go back if you don't like it.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Anyone here use LibreOffice, or a similar program? I've got the office 2010 suite on my laptop, but it's a student copy I got for 15 bucks, which only has one valid authorization, and is one purchase per student....so I can't put it on my new PC. I should still be able to get a similar deal on the 2013 suite next time it comes up on the site my school partners with, but I wanted to look into free and/or opensource alternatives as well, if nothing else to keep getting updates without buying new versions.

Mainly, how do y'all feel they match up in terms of usability, look/feel, file extensions, etc?

I use word and powerpoint of course, but also have to work with spreadsheets sometimes, and use publisher to make various booklets and brochures on occasion.

[Bezombia]

Anyone here use LibreOffice, or a similar program? I've got the office 2010 suite on my laptop, but it's a student copy I got for 15 bucks, which only has one valid authorization, and is one purchase per student....so I can't put it on my new PC. I should still be able to get a similar deal on the 2013 suite next time it comes up on the site my school partners with, but I wanted to look into free and/or opensource alternatives as well, if nothing else to keep getting updates without buying new versions.

Mainly, how do y'all feel they match up in terms of usability, look/feel, file extensions, etc?

I use word and powerpoint of course, but also have to work with spreadsheets sometimes, and use publisher to make various booklets and brochures on occasion.

Libreoffice is about as good as Office 2007.
It doesn't really support anything that office doesn't (.odt is pretty much the same as .docx and it can save to both), but at the same time newer versions of Office are definitely more polished.

[Imperializt Russia]

OpenOffice, which is also ODT format (they're related programmes, I believe), is crap.
Their support and development criteria are awful.

[Lechites]

OpenOffice, which is also ODT format (they're related programmes, I believe), is crap.
Their support and development criteria are awful.

That's because all of their developers jumped ship and went to Libre.

[Bezombia]

OpenOffice, which is also ODT format (they're related programmes, I believe), is crap.
Their support and development criteria are awful.

OpenOffice being shit is what sparked Libreoffice in the first place.

The original devs of OO got sick of Oracle's terrible production practices and formed TDP, which developed Libreoffice.

[Minoa]

OpenOffice, which is also ODT format (they're related programmes, I believe), is crap.
Their support and development criteria are awful.

OpenOffice being shit is what sparked Libreoffice in the first place.

The original devs of OO got sick of Oracle's terrible production practices and formed TDP, which developed Libreoffice.

Although OpenOffice is now in Apache’s hands, they only have 124 all-time contributors, as opposed to LibreOffice's 518. Oracle’s takeover did deal a devastating blow to OpenOffice.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Thank you all. Perhaps I'll use my option to get Professional Plus 2013 for $9.95 and get Libreoffice as well just to check it out. I use 2010 on here, but everyone I need it for has switched to 2013 or office 365 so it won't hurt to be using the same thing at home.

[The Matthew Islands]

Will Window's 10 effect the playing of older games? Like, Medieval 2: Total War old?

[Bezombia]

Thank you all. Perhaps I'll use my option to get Professional Plus 2013 for $9.95 and get Libreoffice as well just to check it out. I use 2010 on here, but everyone I need it for has switched to 2013 or office 365 so it won't hurt to be using the same thing at home.

Office 2016 currently has a 180-day free trial you can download. You should try that out.

Will Window's 10 effect the playing of older games? Like, Medieval 2: Total War old?

Theoretically no. Generally speaking if it worked on Win8 it should work on Win10.

[Minoa]

Thank you all. Perhaps I'll use my option to get Professional Plus 2013 for $9.95 and get Libreoffice as well just to check it out. I use 2010 on here, but everyone I need it for has switched to 2013 or office 365 so it won't hurt to be using the same thing at home.

Office 2016 currently has a 180-day free trial you can download. You should try that out.

The only thing that is stopping me from using the Outlook part for Mac is the lack of supporting GPG encryption.

I can only switch to Office 365 if it costs me less in the long run, and I can disable all that cloud stuff.

[Bezombia]

Office 2016 currently has a 180-day free trial you can download. You should try that out.

The only thing that is stopping me from using the Outlook part for Mac is the lack of supporting GPG encryption.

I can only switch to Office 365 if it costs me less in the long run, and I can disable all that cloud stuff.

>Mac

[Minoa]

The only thing that is stopping me from using the Outlook part for Mac is the lack of supporting GPG encryption.

I can only switch to Office 365 if it costs me less in the long run, and I can disable all that cloud stuff.

>Mac

I seems that as of the 2016 edition, Microsoft is unifying the branding for Mac and PC, but Publisher and Access isn’t going to Mac yet. However, I do not care for Publisher as we use Adobe instead.

[YellowApple]

>Mac

I seems that as of the 2016 edition, Microsoft is unifying the branding for Mac and PC, but Publisher and Access isn’t going to Mac yet. However, I do not care for Publisher as we use Adobe instead.

Likewise, Access makes COBOL-driven databases look state-of-the-art in comparison. Though I guess Microsoft has to release something to make MS SQL look objectively better than literally any of the alternatives.

[Bezombia]

I seems that as of the 2016 edition, Microsoft is unifying the branding for Mac and PC, but Publisher and Access isn’t going to Mac yet. However, I do not care for Publisher as we use Adobe instead.

Likewise, Access makes COBOL-driven databases look state-of-the-art in comparison. Though I guess Microsoft has to release something to make MS SQL look objectively better than literally any of the alternatives.

>not using sharepoint