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Which OS do YOU use?

Windows
643
75%
Linux/Unix
124
14%
Mac
71
8%
OS/2
5
1%
DOS
7
1%
Phantom OS
4
0%
Croquet
5
1%
 
Total votes : 859

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:18 am

Cisairse wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:gentoo gang

arch gang

cringe
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Postby Minoa » Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:32 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Shanghai industrial complex wrote:Windows update is mandatory, of course.Microsoft has even put out a patch to fix a bug where users can refuse to update.Every day, people ask how to disable automatic update of win10


Windows nullified every performance gain on PCs with useless bloat. And now they are eating up internet traffic bandwidth updating crap like Edge that people don't even use. Why do Microsoft hate us?

It is among the things that says a lot about me using NTLite to bring all the bloat under control, but the trouble with the bloat has been around since Windows 98, when they bundled and integrated Internet Explorer. It could not be disabled until Windows 7, I think.
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:58 am

Minoa wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Windows nullified every performance gain on PCs with useless bloat. And now they are eating up internet traffic bandwidth updating crap like Edge that people don't even use. Why do Microsoft hate us?

It is among the things that says a lot about me using NTLite to bring all the bloat under control, but the trouble with the bloat has been around since Windows 98, when they bundled and integrated Internet Explorer. It could not be disabled until Windows 7, I think.

if u REALLY want to avoid bloat just use linux from scratch & compile literally every single package by urself :^)
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Postby Cisairse » Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:42 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Cisairse wrote:arch gang

cringe

Hey man, I want a system that just works.

I am honestly considering Gentoo for my upcoming media pc project though.
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:55 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:cringe

Hey man, I want a system that just works.

I am honestly considering Gentoo for my upcoming media pc project though.

fwiw my main laptop runs only gentoo and after a few days of simple configuration it "just works" significantly better than any operating system i've tried previously on it (debian and briefly windows). it has issues with the internal bluetooth adapter but that's the kernel, not gentoo, so i blame torvalds

if you use it for the media pc, watch out, you'll fall in love with it and be compelled to install it on everything. i was originally just going to put it on a very old compaq laptop because slackware wasn't working on it. only a week later i was installing gentoo over debian on my desktop and laptop!
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Postby Cisairse » Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:56 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Hey man, I want a system that just works.

I am honestly considering Gentoo for my upcoming media pc project though.

fwiw my main laptop runs only gentoo and after a few days of simple configuration it "just works" significantly better than any operating system i've tried previously on it (debian and briefly windows). it has issues with the internal bluetooth adapter but that's the kernel, not gentoo, so i blame torvalds

if you use it for the media pc, watch out, you'll fall in love with it and be compelled to install it on everything. i was originally just going to put it on a very old compaq laptop because slackware wasn't working on it. only a week later i was installing gentoo over debian on my desktop and laptop!

Oh I mean

Debian is absolutely horrible

I left it for arch circa 2010

I plan on using Gentoo for my media pc because I want to compile a super stripped down kernel and while I COULD do that using Arch it's much easier with gentoo
Arch's package management system is still unbeatable though
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:17 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:fwiw my main laptop runs only gentoo and after a few days of simple configuration it "just works" significantly better than any operating system i've tried previously on it (debian and briefly windows). it has issues with the internal bluetooth adapter but that's the kernel, not gentoo, so i blame torvalds

if you use it for the media pc, watch out, you'll fall in love with it and be compelled to install it on everything. i was originally just going to put it on a very old compaq laptop because slackware wasn't working on it. only a week later i was installing gentoo over debian on my desktop and laptop!

Oh I mean

Debian is absolutely horrible

I left it for arch circa 2010

I plan on using Gentoo for my media pc because I want to compile a super stripped down kernel and while I COULD do that using Arch it's much easier with gentoo
Arch's package management system is still unbeatable though

what do you have against debian, just curious? i still consider it one of my top 3 distros, along with slackware and obviously gentoo. it has one of the most robust package repositories and typically works well straight out of the box, plus the choice to use a rock-solid stable distribution or a standard rolling-release one is nice.

makes sense, unironically LFS might work to make a very stripped down system as well, if you want to put in the time

i've worked a bit with pacman and i found it acceptable, but not much better than apt if at all. i far prefer portage, its custom repository selection mechanism, the clarity of its output, and its configurability for virtually any use case are all completely unbeatable.
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Postby Cisairse » Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:03 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Oh I mean

Debian is absolutely horrible

I left it for arch circa 2010

I plan on using Gentoo for my media pc because I want to compile a super stripped down kernel and while I COULD do that using Arch it's much easier with gentoo
Arch's package management system is still unbeatable though

what do you have against debian, just curious? i still consider it one of my top 3 distros, along with slackware and obviously gentoo. it has one of the most robust package repositories and typically works well straight out of the box, plus the choice to use a rock-solid stable distribution or a standard rolling-release one is nice.

makes sense, unironically LFS might work to make a very stripped down system as well, if you want to put in the time

i've worked a bit with pacman and i found it acceptable, but not much better than apt if at all. i far prefer portage, its custom repository selection mechanism, the clarity of its output, and its configurability for virtually any use case are all completely unbeatable.

apt once uninstalled python when I ran apt upgrade

so when I rebooted my entire system was toast because obviously shit (such as gdm) can't run without python

immediately tossed debian in the bin, any system that uninstalls an obviously necessary package during a routine upgrade is trash-tier
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:20 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:what do you have against debian, just curious? i still consider it one of my top 3 distros, along with slackware and obviously gentoo. it has one of the most robust package repositories and typically works well straight out of the box, plus the choice to use a rock-solid stable distribution or a standard rolling-release one is nice.

makes sense, unironically LFS might work to make a very stripped down system as well, if you want to put in the time

i've worked a bit with pacman and i found it acceptable, but not much better than apt if at all. i far prefer portage, its custom repository selection mechanism, the clarity of its output, and its configurability for virtually any use case are all completely unbeatable.

apt once uninstalled python when I ran apt upgrade

so when I rebooted my entire system was toast because obviously shit (such as gdm) can't run without python

immediately tossed debian in the bin, any system that uninstalls an obviously necessary package during a routine upgrade is trash-tier

ah, that sux. might be able to fix it by chrooting from a debian live cd and running `apt --fix-broken install` or smth but yeah that's super stupid (and obv chrooting should never ever be something you need to do to perform system maintenance caused by a distro's package manager breaking your install)
in fact, avoiding that sort of issue is one reason i really like portage - it shows you a very clear list of each package operation that'll be performed so you can manually review the changes and look for anything yucky. for example, if i run `emerge --sync && emerge -auD @world` (=tell portage to make sure its package definitions are up to date and upgrade all outdated packages that i've installed as well as their dependencies if necessary, also ask me before doing anything to my packages):
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[ebuild     U ] sys-devel/llvm-common-11.0.0 [10.0.1]
[ebuild     U ] x11-misc/util-macros-1.19.2-r2 [1.19.2-r1]
[ebuild     U ] dev-libs/vala-common-0.48.11 [0.48.9]
[ebuild     U ] sys-devel/clang-common-11.0.0 [10.0.1]
[ebuild     U ] dev-lang/rust-bin-1.47.0 [1.46.0]
[ebuild     U ] virtual/rust-1.47.0 [1.46.0]
[ebuild     UD] dev-lua/luaexpat-1.3.0-r2 [1.3.3]
[ebuild  r  U ] dev-haskell/hxt-charproperties-9.4.0.0 [9.2.0.1]
[ebuild  rR   ] dev-haskell/hxt-regex-xmlschema-9.2.0.3
[ebuild  rR   ] dev-haskell/hxt-unicode-9.0.2.4
[ebuild  r  U ] dev-haskell/data-default-0.7.1.1 [0.5.3]
[ebuild  rR   ] dev-haskell/hxt-9.3.1.18
[ebuild  rR   ] app-text/pandoc-2.9.2.1
[ebuild  rR   ] dev-haskell/pandoc-citeproc-0.17.0.1
[ebuild     U ] dev-qt/qtcore-5.15.1-r1 [5.15.1]
[ebuild     U ] net-misc/curl-7.72.0-r1 [7.72.0]
[ebuild     U ] dev-util/cmake-3.18.4 [3.18.3]
[ebuild     U ] sys-libs/libomp-11.0.0 [10.0.1]
[ebuild     U ] sys-libs/libcap-2.44 [2.43]
[ebuild     U ] app-portage/gentoolkit-0.5.0-r1 [0.5.0]
[ebuild     U ] dev-libs/libinput-1.16.2 [1.16.1]
[ebuild     U ] dev-python/pycairo-1.20.0 [1.19.1]
[ebuild     U ] media-libs/dav1d-0.7.1 [0.7.0]
[ebuild     U ] net-misc/dhcpcd-9.3.1 [9.2.0]
[ebuild     U ] dev-lang/python-3.9.0 [3.9.0_rc2]
[ebuild     U ] media-libs/lilv-0.24.10 [0.24.8-r1]
[ebuild     U ] app-text/iso-codes-4.5.0 [4.4]
[ebuild     U ] app-editors/nano-5.3-r1 [5.2]
[ebuild  NS   ] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-5.9.0 [5.4.66, 5.8.8, 5.8.12, 5.8.13]
[ebuild     U ] dev-lang/vala-0.48.11 [0.48.9]
[ebuild     U ] net-libs/libproxy-0.4.15-r2 [0.4.15-r1]
[ebuild     U ] app-text/ghostscript-gpl-9.53.3-r1 [9.53.3]
[ebuild     U ] gnome-base/gnome-desktop-3.36.7 [3.36.5]
[ebuild     U ] app-editors/visual-studio-code-1.50.0 [1.49.2]
[ebuild     U ] media-gfx/imagemagick-7.0.10.34 [7.0.10.31]
[ebuild     U ] media-libs/gegl-0.4.26 [0.4.24]
[ebuild  NS   ] sys-devel/llvm-11.0.0 [10.0.1]
[ebuild     U ] dev-lang/spidermonkey-78.3.1 [78.3.0]
[ebuild  NS   ] sys-devel/clang-11.0.0 [10.0.1]
[ebuild  NS   ] sys-libs/compiler-rt-11.0.0 [10.0.1]
[ebuild  NS   ] sys-libs/compiler-rt-sanitizers-11.0.0 [10.0.1]
[ebuild  NS   ] sys-devel/clang-runtime-11.0.0 [10.0.1]
[ebuild     U ] sys-auth/pambase-20201010 [20200917]
[ebuild     U ] net-misc/openssh-8.4_p1-r1 [8.4_p1]
[ebuild     U ] net-misc/networkmanager-1.26.2-r1 [1.26.2]
[ebuild     U ] media-gfx/gimp-2.10.22 [2.10.20-r2]
[ebuild     U ] net-im/zoom-5.3.472687.1012 [5.3.469451.0927]

The following packages are causing rebuilds:

  (dev-haskell/data-default-0.7.1.1:0/0.7.1.1::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) causes rebuilds for:
    (dev-haskell/pandoc-citeproc-0.17.0.1:0/0.17.0.1::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
    (app-text/pandoc-2.9.2.1:0/2.9.2.1::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
  (dev-haskell/hxt-charproperties-9.4.0.0:0/9.4.0.0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) causes rebuilds for:
    (dev-haskell/hxt-regex-xmlschema-9.2.0.3:0/9.2.0.3::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
    (dev-haskell/hxt-9.3.1.18:0/9.3.1.18::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
    (dev-haskell/hxt-unicode-9.0.2.4:0/9.0.2.4::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)

it tells me every single package i'm going to be changing and what's happening to it, with version numbers. for example, this output tells me it's updating my LLVM common set to version 11 from version 10, it's adding a new set of sources for kernel version 5.9 but keeping all my old sources, it's going to rebuild my pandoc with support for the new software without changing its version, etc. apt does not have that sort of detail in its output and i do not miss it. plus, if i decide "actually, i don't want to rebuild my kernel for 5.9.0, i want to stick with 5.8.13," i can use my handy /etc/portage/package.mask and add `=sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-5.9.0` and it won't try to install it!
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:17 am

The era of Adobe Flash has finally officially really ended, with it being truly dead in our browsers now and going forward. What with the plugin no longer working because of a hard stop coded into it by Adobe. It's full lifecycle was from January 1st 1996 until January 12th 2021. For 25 years, 11 days- it served people well for what it was. It will be missed by some but wasn't without its problems.

Here's to looking forward to whatever comes next. I'll be looking out for any emulators that can revive older .swf files that still exist, whilst moving onto the newer stuff in whatever forms it may take.

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