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Posted: **Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:02 am**

Fun fact: 2019 will be the year of Linux on the Windows Desktop!

Posted: **Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:44 am**

Cekoviu wrote:Fun fact: 2019 will be the year of Linux on the Windows Desktop!

It seems to me that every year is claimed to be the year of Linux … and what kind of solid widespread adoption do they have to show for it at the end of each year?

Posted: **Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:51 am**

Minoa wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Fun fact: 2019 will be the year of Linux on the Windows Desktop!

It seems to me that every year is claimed to be the year of Linux … and what kind of solid widespread adoption do they have to show for it at the end of each year?

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Posted: **Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:34 pm**

Minoa wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Fun fact: 2019 will be the year of Linux on the Windows Desktop!

It seems to me that every year is claimed to be the year of Linux … and what kind of solid widespread adoption do they have to show for it at the end of each year?

It's the single most used kernel in the world, and has been for some time. It's dominant in the smartphone and server markets, and in scientific computing, and increasingly in universities. What the fuck more do you want?

Posted: **Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:34 pm**

Salandriagado wrote:
Minoa wrote:It seems to me that every year is claimed to be the year of Linux … and what kind of solid widespread adoption do they have to show for it at the end of each year?

It's the single most used kernel in the world, and has been for some time. It's dominant in the smartphone and server markets, and in scientific computing, and increasingly in universities. What the fuck more do you want?

Oh no, I meant consumer and business desktops: that’s what I think Cekoviu refers to: servers and scientific machines have a different market landscape with Linux clearly on top: we are talking about adoption in the consumer and business desktop markets, as to replace Windows completely.

Again, I could be clearer. I really try, but often fail. I am sorry.

Posted: **Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:08 pm**

Cekoviu wrote:Fun fact: 2019 will be the year of Linux on the Windows Desktop!

I've been running Linux VM's on my Windows desktop for years.

Posted: **Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:27 pm**

Tekania wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Fun fact: 2019 will be the year of Linux on the Windows Desktop!

I've been running Linux VM's on my Windows desktop for years.

Just install Ubuntu on Windows so you can use a terminal window and use Linux commands to feel like a real hacker man.

Posted: **Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:23 pm**

Tekania wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Fun fact: 2019 will be the year of Linux on the Windows Desktop!

I've been running Linux VM's on my Windows desktop for years.

Just install them on another partition lol. Puppy Linux means there are no excuses.

Minoa wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
It's the single most used kernel in the world, and has been for some time. It's dominant in the smartphone and server markets, and in scientific computing, and increasingly in universities. What the fuck more do you want?

Oh no, I meant consumer and business desktops: that’s what I think Cekoviu refers to: servers and scientific machines have a different market landscape with Linux clearly on top: we are talking about adoption in the consumer and business desktop markets, as to replace Windows completely.

Again, I could be clearer. I really try, but often fail. I am sorry.

That is what the article I was spoofing said, yes.

Posted: **Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:48 pm**

Cekoviu wrote:
Tekania wrote:
I've been running Linux VM's on my Windows desktop for years.

Just install them on another partition lol. Puppy Linux means there are no excuses.

Ahhh, but then that would not be Linux ON Windows Desktop, but rather Linux or Windows Desktop

Posted: **Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:18 pm**

Tekania wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Just install them on another partition lol. Puppy Linux means there are no excuses.

Ahhh, but then that would not be Linux ON Windows Desktop, but rather Linux or Windows Desktop

If it's a desktop with Windows on it, it's technically a Windows Desktop, even if you're not inside Windows's Desktop. Quod erat demonstrandum - Linux is still on the Windows Desktop as long as Windows is installed, whether in a separate partition or a drive, and 2019 will be the year of Linux on the Windows Desktop (not Windows's Desktop).

Posted: **Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:22 pm**

Cekoviu wrote:
Tekania wrote:
Ahhh, but then that would not be Linux ON Windows Desktop, but rather Linux or Windows Desktop

If it's a desktop with Windows on it, it's technically a Windows Desktop, even if you're not inside Windows's Desktop. Quod erat demonstrandum - Linux is still on the Windows Desktop as long as Windows is installed, whether in a separate partition or a drive, and 2019 will be the year of Linux on the Windows Desktop (not Windows's Desktop).

It's a Windows Desktop if you're booted into Microsoft Windows, if you're booted into Linux it's a Linux Desktop. IF you have Windows installed on it, but you're not booted into Windows it has the potential to be a Windows Desktop, but it is not presently a Windows desktop.

Posted: **Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:25 pm**

Tekania wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:If it's a desktop with Windows on it, it's technically a Windows Desktop, even if you're not inside Windows's Desktop. Quod erat demonstrandum - Linux is still on the Windows Desktop as long as Windows is installed, whether in a separate partition or a drive, and 2019 will be the year of Linux on the Windows Desktop (not Windows's Desktop).

It's a Windows Desktop if you're booted into Microsoft Windows, if you're booted into Linux it's a Linux Desktop. IF you have Windows installed on it, but you're not booted into Windows it has the potential to be a Windows Desktop, but it is not presently a Windows desktop.

If I have a house, but I am not presently there, is it not Cekoviu's home? If a change has been made and finalized to a piece of code, but it hasn't yet been committed to Git, has the code not been changed?

Posted: **Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:39 pm**

Cekoviu wrote:
Tekania wrote:
It's a Windows Desktop if you're booted into Microsoft Windows, if you're booted into Linux it's a Linux Desktop. IF you have Windows installed on it, but you're not booted into Windows it has the potential to be a Windows Desktop, but it is not presently a Windows desktop.

If I have a house, but I am not presently there, is it not Cekoviu's home? If a change has been made and finalized to a piece of code, but it hasn't yet been committed to Git, has the code not been changed?

You owning a house a statement of ownership. Windows does not OWN your computer, Windows is software. One does not have a Windows computer in the send that one is on a computer owned by Microsoft Windows. One has a Windows computer in the sense that one is running Microsoft Windows on it. When one is not running microsoft windows on it, it's not at present a Windows Computer.

Posted: **Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:48 pm**

Tekania wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:If I have a house, but I am not presently there, is it not Cekoviu's home? If a change has been made and finalized to a piece of code, but it hasn't yet been committed to Git, has the code not been changed?

You owning a house a statement of ownership. Windows does not OWN your computer, Windows is software. One does not have a Windows computer in the send that one is on a computer owned by Microsoft Windows. One has a Windows computer in the sense that one is running Microsoft Windows on it. When one is not running microsoft windows on it, it's not at present a Windows Computer.

It seems that we have fundamentally different definitions of "Windows Desktop."

Posted: **Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:49 pm**

You know, Linux could be closer towards widespread adoption if Adobe CC and Microsoft Office officially supported it, but in general, there are so many Linux projects with conflicting visions.

The conflicting visions poses challenges for any developer to make their programs work as flawlessly as possible with Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Fedora.

I am also aware of a small but vocal minority in the Linux community who believe that all Linux software must be 100% free and open source, with no exceptions.

It is a recent development, but some developers have expressed concern about how some Linux supporters aggressively chase away anything that has even a shred of proprietary code.

Sources:
1. https://itsfoss.com/desktop-linux-torvalds/
2. https://blog.hiri.com/the-fundamentalis ... 0a953f2821
3. https://fman.io/blog/fundamentalism/

Posted: **Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:59 pm**

Minoa wrote:You know, Linux could be closer towards widespread adoption if Adobe CC and Microsoft Office officially supported it, but in general, there are so many Linux projects with conflicting visions.

The conflicting visions poses challenges for any developer to make their programs work as flawlessly as possible with Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Fedora.

I am also aware of a small but vocal minority in the Linux community who believe that all Linux software must be 100% free and open source, with no exceptions.

It is a recent development, but some developers have expressed concern about how some Linux supporters aggressively chase away anything that has even a shred of proprietary code.

Sources:
1. https://itsfoss.com/desktop-linux-torvalds/
2. https://blog.hiri.com/the-fundamentalis ... 0a953f2821
3. https://fman.io/blog/fundamentalism/

I mean, there are perfectly adequate substitutes for CC and Office. Inkscape, GIMP, etc. / LibreOffice and OpenOffice

Posted: **Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:36 am**

I wish there was a legal case to stop Microsoft installing unwanted, and non-uninstallable, apps on people's computers. They got into trouble for bundling Internet Explorer, what they are doing now seems even more blatant.

Posted: **Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:48 pm**

Minoa wrote:You know, Linux could be closer towards widespread adoption if Adobe CC and Microsoft Office officially supported it, but in general, there are so many Linux projects with conflicting visions.

The conflicting visions poses challenges for any developer to make their programs work as flawlessly as possible with Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Fedora.

I am also aware of a small but vocal minority in the Linux community who believe that all Linux software must be 100% free and open source, with no exceptions.

It is a recent development, but some developers have expressed concern about how some Linux supporters aggressively chase away anything that has even a shred of proprietary code.

Sources:
1. https://itsfoss.com/desktop-linux-torvalds/
2. https://blog.hiri.com/the-fundamentalis ... 0a953f2821
3. https://fman.io/blog/fundamentalism/

Well, with a lot of things moving more aggressively towards being web-based this won't even be an issue for that long. Office 365 works completely online, and thus works on Linux just fine. I could definitely see a web-based CC version coming at some point, even if it's stripped down a bit.

Posted: **Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:01 pm**

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I wish there was a legal case to stop Microsoft installing unwanted, and non-uninstallable, apps on people's computers. They got into trouble for bundling Internet Explorer, what they are doing now seems even more blatant.

What happened? The only one that comes to mind is Microsoft Edge, but it's better than Internet Explorer.

Posted: **Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:37 pm**

The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I wish there was a legal case to stop Microsoft installing unwanted, and non-uninstallable, apps on people's computers. They got into trouble for bundling Internet Explorer, what they are doing now seems even more blatant.

What happened? The only one that comes to mind is Microsoft Edge, but it's better than Internet Explorer.

I believe Home users can't uninstall automatically installed programs, I believe one of them is Candy Crush.

Posted: **Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:02 pm**

Lechites wrote:
The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
What happened? The only one that comes to mind is Microsoft Edge, but it's better than Internet Explorer.

I believe Home users can't uninstall automatically installed programs, I believe one of them is Candy Crush.

I don't have Candy Crush in my laptop.

Posted: **Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:28 am**

The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I wish there was a legal case to stop Microsoft installing unwanted, and non-uninstallable, apps on people's computers. They got into trouble for bundling Internet Explorer, what they are doing now seems even more blatant.

What happened? The only one that comes to mind is Microsoft Edge, but it's better than Internet Explorer.

Oh they stick all sorts of shit on your computer without asking. At least you could remove Candy Crush Saga. But many other apps they don't let you remove. I wouldn't say Edge is better than explorer either.

To me, things like email clients, web browser, media players, calculators etc are all apps and should not be part of the operating system.

Posted: **Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:58 am**

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
What happened? The only one that comes to mind is Microsoft Edge, but it's better than Internet Explorer.

Oh they stick all sorts of shit on your computer without asking. At least you could remove Candy Crush Saga. But many other apps they don't let you remove. I wouldn't say Edge is better than explorer either.

To me, things like email clients, web browser, media players, calculators etc are all apps and should not be part of the operating system.

Edge is like Chrome and Firefox. Good use, but memory hoarder.

Posted: **Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:10 am**

The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Oh they stick all sorts of shit on your computer without asking. At least you could remove Candy Crush Saga. But many other apps they don't let you remove. I wouldn't say Edge is better than explorer either.

To me, things like email clients, web browser, media players, calculators etc are all apps and should not be part of the operating system.

Edge is like Chrome and Firefox. Good use, but memory hoarder.

I think its 4% market share says a lot, and that is given you can't remove the damn thing from Windows 10.

Posted: **Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:15 am**

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
What happened? The only one that comes to mind is Microsoft Edge, but it's better than Internet Explorer.

Oh they stick all sorts of shit on your computer without asking. At least you could remove Candy Crush Saga. But many other apps they don't let you remove. I wouldn't say Edge is better than explorer either.

To me, things like email clients, web browser, media players, calculators etc are all apps and should not be part of the operating system.

I feel like it's probably important to have one web browser pre-installed on OSs without package managers so people can actually download other browsers.

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