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by The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:55 pm
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by Hurdergaryp » Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:25 pm
by The Huskar Social Union » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:25 pm
by The Imperial Reach » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:07 pm
by Ameriganastan » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:10 pm
The Imperial Reach wrote:I find the theory that the Alpha Legion is still loyal to the Emperor to be a fascinating one, as such they are very much my favorite Traitor Legion.
I like how the Word Bearers have no votes and the World Eaters only have 2. Just seems funny to me. Obviously Word Bearers is worst Legion.
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by The Imperial Reach » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:11 pm
Ameriganastan wrote:The Imperial Reach wrote:I find the theory that the Alpha Legion is still loyal to the Emperor to be a fascinating one, as such they are very much my favorite Traitor Legion.
I like how the Word Bearers have no votes and the World Eaters only have 2. Just seems funny to me. Obviously Word Bearers is worst Legion.
It's cause their Primarch is a little bitch.
by Tethys 13 » Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:30 am
by The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:30 am
by Hirota » Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:03 am
I'm not sure your average Alpha Legion Astartes has any idea if they are still loyal to the emprah or not.The Imperial Reach wrote:I find the theory that the Alpha Legion is still loyal to the Emperor to be a fascinating one, as such they are very much my favorite Traitor Legion.
by Baltenstein » Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:52 am
The Imperial Reach wrote:I find the theory that the Alpha Legion is still loyal to the Emperor to be a fascinating one, as such they are very much my favorite Traitor Legion.
by The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:53 am
by Hurdergaryp » Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:09 am
by The Imperial Reach » Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:14 am
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by The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:34 am
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by Baltenstein » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:34 am
The Imperial Reach wrote:Hirota wrote:I'm not sure your average Alpha Legion Astartes has any idea if they are still loyal to the emprah or not.
Probably not, but the idea that at least most of them are is interesting to me.Baltenstein wrote:
I liked Dan Abnett's "Legion" as a novel, but as a piece of fluff it's a headache that's best left ignored.
How so?
by Tethys 13 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:46 am
by The Imperial Reach » Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:20 am
Baltenstein wrote:The Imperial Reach wrote:
Probably not, but the idea that at least most of them are is interesting to me.
How so?
In my personal opinion, it's confusing and hasn't thought its own train of thought through properly.So there is this big, mysterious inter-species conspiracy that nobody had ever heard before - fair enough - that tries to win the Alpha Legion over by saying that Chaos has to win and rule the galaxy in order to lose.
There are several problems with this:
1.) The notion that letting the Chaos gods win would lead to them devouring humanity and then collapsing into themselves so that non-human sentient life can live happily ever after in a Chaos-free galaxy is one big "?!?" with little to no ground to support it. Why would the fate of the Chaos Gods, whose existence predates humanity's expansion into the stars by a long shot and one of whom was explicitedly created through the actions of another species, be tied to humanity's continued existence? The Chaos Gods will exist as long as feeling and thinking sentient life will exist in the galaxy. The idea that the non-human species could somehow "hide" (where and how, exactly?) and wait until the Chaos Gods die of overfill or something like that seems like a lunatic's gamble.
2.) Even if we take the Cabal's claims on "Chaos victory = Chaos demise" as a given, why is the Alpha Legion, which was rather on the insignificant side as far as Space Marine Legions went, of such crucial importance to their plans that they would approach them when they didn't approach anybody else? It's not as if the Alpha Legion teaming up with Horus made any difference in the end.
3.) By the 41st millenium, the Cabal's "victory scenario" has very obiously not come to pass, what with the Emperor killing Horus and the Imperium entering their long grimdark decay etc. Why then, is the Alpha Legion still doing their whole "we are exactly saving the galaxy by fighting for Chaos" thing?
This whole storyline, along with its central figure, the Cabal, also gets kind of dropped in later books so it remains an unresolved dead end which, in my opinion, should stay that way.
by Imperial City-States » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:24 pm
by Herador » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:25 pm
Imperial City-States wrote:Pitching the idea, what would people think of a Dark Hersey or Rogue Trader based RP?
Baltenstein wrote:
In my personal opinion, it's confusing and hasn't thought its own train of thought through properly.So there is this big, mysterious inter-species conspiracy that nobody had ever heard before - fair enough - that tries to win the Alpha Legion over by saying that Chaos has to win and rule the galaxy in order to lose.
There are several problems with this:
1.) The notion that letting the Chaos gods win would lead to them devouring humanity and then collapsing into themselves so that non-human sentient life can live happily ever after in a Chaos-free galaxy is one big "?!?" with little to no ground to support it. Why would the fate of the Chaos Gods, whose existence predates humanity's expansion into the stars by a long shot and one of whom was explicitedly created through the actions of another species, be tied to humanity's continued existence? The Chaos Gods will exist as long as feeling and thinking sentient life will exist in the galaxy. The idea that the non-human species could somehow "hide" (where and how, exactly?) and wait until the Chaos Gods die of overfill or something like that seems like a lunatic's gamble.
2.) Even if we take the Cabal's claims on "Chaos victory = Chaos demise" as a given, why is the Alpha Legion, which was rather on the insignificant side as far as Space Marine Legions went, of such crucial importance to their plans that they would approach them when they didn't approach anybody else? It's not as if the Alpha Legion teaming up with Horus made any difference in the end.
3.) By the 41st millenium, the Cabal's "victory scenario" has very obiously not come to pass, what with the Emperor killing Horus and the Imperium entering their long grimdark decay etc. Why then, is the Alpha Legion still doing their whole "we are exactly saving the galaxy by fighting for Chaos" thing?
This whole storyline, along with its central figure, the Cabal, also gets kind of dropped in later books so it remains an unresolved dead end which, in my opinion, should stay that way.
by The Imperial Reach » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:41 pm
Herador wrote:Imperial City-States wrote:Pitching the idea, what would people think of a Dark Hersey or Rogue Trader based RP?
People try it every now and again, but they always die a few pages in. I'd jump at the chance, but I always seem to miss them when they do show up.Baltenstein wrote:
In my personal opinion, it's confusing and hasn't thought its own train of thought through properly.So there is this big, mysterious inter-species conspiracy that nobody had ever heard before - fair enough - that tries to win the Alpha Legion over by saying that Chaos has to win and rule the galaxy in order to lose.
There are several problems with this:
1.) The notion that letting the Chaos gods win would lead to them devouring humanity and then collapsing into themselves so that non-human sentient life can live happily ever after in a Chaos-free galaxy is one big "?!?" with little to no ground to support it. Why would the fate of the Chaos Gods, whose existence predates humanity's expansion into the stars by a long shot and one of whom was explicitedly created through the actions of another species, be tied to humanity's continued existence? The Chaos Gods will exist as long as feeling and thinking sentient life will exist in the galaxy. The idea that the non-human species could somehow "hide" (where and how, exactly?) and wait until the Chaos Gods die of overfill or something like that seems like a lunatic's gamble.
2.) Even if we take the Cabal's claims on "Chaos victory = Chaos demise" as a given, why is the Alpha Legion, which was rather on the insignificant side as far as Space Marine Legions went, of such crucial importance to their plans that they would approach them when they didn't approach anybody else? It's not as if the Alpha Legion teaming up with Horus made any difference in the end.
3.) By the 41st millenium, the Cabal's "victory scenario" has very obiously not come to pass, what with the Emperor killing Horus and the Imperium entering their long grimdark decay etc. Why then, is the Alpha Legion still doing their whole "we are exactly saving the galaxy by fighting for Chaos" thing?
This whole storyline, along with its central figure, the Cabal, also gets kind of dropped in later books so it remains an unresolved dead end which, in my opinion, should stay that way.
So the problem here is that you're looking at it just as a plot device when in reality I really do think the Cabal was a business decision. The Cabal created a solid end state for the universe, Chaos has to win for Chaos to lose, but GW can't let that happen or there wouldn't be a game. So now GW has a plot, they can point to the Cabal and say "see, a plot, an ending." and that helps mitigate the folks who gripe about GW never advancing the plot, but they can't advance the plot in that direction because everyone would riot.
It's not actually supposed to happen, get what I mean? It's just supposed to exist so GW can say it exists.
by Northern Davincia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:50 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:51 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:This might be a diversion from the current topic, but I noticed that Warhammer seems to be drawing in plenty of sci-fi fans that have become disappointed with their former series of choice. That includes myself to some degree. I jumped in a little while after The Force Awakens was released and felt bothered by how unfeeling Star Wars appears now. By contrast, Warhammer 40K is unapologetic and over-the-top, which makes it fun.
by Ameriganastan » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:51 pm
The Imperial Reach wrote:Herador wrote:People try it every now and again, but they always die a few pages in. I'd jump at the chance, but I always seem to miss them when they do show up.
So the problem here is that you're looking at it just as a plot device when in reality I really do think the Cabal was a business decision. The Cabal created a solid end state for the universe, Chaos has to win for Chaos to lose, but GW can't let that happen or there wouldn't be a game. So now GW has a plot, they can point to the Cabal and say "see, a plot, an ending." and that helps mitigate the folks who gripe about GW never advancing the plot, but they can't advance the plot in that direction because everyone would riot.
It's not actually supposed to happen, get what I mean? It's just supposed to exist so GW can say it exists.
If they don't want to advance the plot then why does it seem like Roboute Guilliman is about ready to save the whole damn Imperium? Guy's not only been brought back from the dead, but he's been named Lord Commander (again?), allegedly learned "everything [he] needs to" from the Emperor, started several new crusades, and unleashed a new breed of Space Marines. That's not even to mention that it was partly the efforts of an Elder god that brought him back, either. Seems like the calm before a massive storm is brewing.
Unless this is all just fake-hype to increase sales.
Edward Richtofen wrote:Ameri's so tough that he criticized an Insane Asylum and was promptly let out
Sinovet wrote:Ameri's like Honey badger. He don't give a fuck.
Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity
Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.
Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*
by Northern Davincia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:53 pm
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:This might be a diversion from the current topic, but I noticed that Warhammer seems to be drawing in plenty of sci-fi fans that have become disappointed with their former series of choice. That includes myself to some degree. I jumped in a little while after The Force Awakens was released and felt bothered by how unfeeling Star Wars appears now. By contrast, Warhammer 40K is unapologetic and over-the-top, which makes it fun.
The forty-first millennium is home to the cynical, the jaded, the callous, and the despairing. Its fans especially show disappointment and cynicism towards the franchise.
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
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