The Warhammer 40.000/Fantasy Discussion Thread Mk.II

[Tethys 13]

How good of a shot are Grots? my copy of Rebel Winter arrived today, and it seems like "Grot snipers" have been enough of a problem for the Vostroyans to easily recognize them heck they took down 2 men in quick succession.

In-game, Grots are as accurate as Guardsmen on their own and as accurate as Space Marines in large numbers.

Also Rebel Winter is a great book, I love Vostroyans.

[Ameriganastan]

How good of a shot are Grots? my copy of Rebel Winter arrived today, and it seems like "Grot snipers" have been enough of a problem for the Vostroyans to easily recognize them heck they took down 2 men in quick succession.

In-game, Grots are as accurate as Guardsmen on their own and as accurate as Space Marines in large numbers.

Also Rebel Winter is a great book, I love Vostroyans.

I'm a Catachan Jungle Fighter guy myself. Any books about them?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

In-game, Grots are as accurate as Guardsmen on their own and as accurate as Space Marines in large numbers.

Also Rebel Winter is a great book, I love Vostroyans.

I'm a Catachan Jungle Fighter guy myself. Any books about them?

The Short-Timers.

[Ameriganastan]

I'm a Catachan Jungle Fighter guy myself. Any books about them?

First Blood.

...They really aren't subtle about them being Space Rambo, are they?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

First Blood.

...They really aren't subtle about them being Space Rambo, are they?

The First-Timers is another good Catachan book.

[Tethys 13]

I'm a Catachan Jungle Fighter guy myself. Any books about them?

Death World is great, and is in the same omnibus as Rebel Winter (or was, when I got it)

Edit: also Pandorax features Catachan, along with some hilarious interactions between the Dark Angels and Grey Knights

[Washington Resistance Army]

Why hasn't Failbaddon gotten a new model from GW yet? The old one is so... bleh.

[Tethys 13]

Why hasn't Failbaddon gotten a new model from GW yet? The old one is so... bleh.

Agreed. If anyone should have gotten a new model in Fall of Cadia, it was him. Maybe have a triumvirate of the top 3 Chaos Warband leaders, Abaddon, Huron and Honsou.

[Ameriganastan]

Why hasn't Failbaddon gotten a new model from GW yet? The old one is so... bleh.

They probably wanna make sure the arms on this model stay connected.

[Hurdergaryp]

Why hasn't Failbaddon gotten a new model from GW yet? The old one is so... bleh.

They probably wanna make sure the arms on this model stay connected.

Just add magnets, that way you can even change arms if you are so inclined.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

They probably wanna make sure the arms on this model stay connected.

Just add magnets, that way you can even change arms if you are so inclined.

Or attach his arms to a ceiling light for kicks.

[Hurdergaryp]

Just add magnets, that way you can even change arms if you are so inclined.

Or attach his arms to a ceiling light for kicks.

Not tournament legal, unfortunately.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Or attach his arms to a ceiling light for kicks.

Not tournament legal, unfortunately.

On the bright side, the people at the next event are gonna be confused as hell as to why there's a little toy's arms stuck to a light.

[The Huskar Social Union]

What was the actual reason his arms kept falling off? Too heavy or a badly designed model or is it just some stupid fucking meme someone made up one day?

[Ameriganastan]

What was the actual reason his arms kept falling off? Too heavy or a badly designed model or is it just some stupid fucking meme someone made up one day?

I think it's a combination of all of those. Least that's what 1d4chan says.

[The Huskar Social Union]

What was the actual reason his arms kept falling off? Too heavy or a badly designed model or is it just some stupid fucking meme someone made up one day?

I think it's a combination of all of those. Least that's what 1d4chan says.

Cheers.

[Hurdergaryp]

Not tournament legal, unfortunately.

On the bright side, the people at the next event are gonna be confused as hell as to why there's a little toy's arms stuck to a light.

Not a toy, but a professional miniature wargaming playing piece. There is a difference.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

On the bright side, the people at the next event are gonna be confused as hell as to why there's a little toy's arms stuck to a light.

Not a toy, but a professional miniature wargaming playing piece. There is a difference.

You play with toys. Ergo, it's a toy.

[Tethys 13]

Not a toy, but a professional miniature wargaming playing piece. There is a difference.

You play with toys. Ergo, it's a toy.

No. By definition, toys are intended for children. While children are encouraged into the hobby, it is only older children, and the target market is certainly not children, as the tools to assemble and prime the miniatures are not permitted to be sold to children.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

You play with toys. Ergo, it's a toy.

No. By definition, toys are intended for children.

Not by definition. Puzzles are toys, but a lot of them are too complicated for children.

Toys are intended for play, that's it.

the tools to assemble and prime the miniatures are not permitted to be sold to children.

Neither is Call of Duty.

[Tethys 13]

No. By definition, toys are intended for children.

Not by definition. Puzzles are toys, but a lot of them are too complicated for children.

Toys are intended for play, that's it.

the tools to assemble and prime the miniatures are not permitted to be sold to children.

Neither is Call of Duty.

"An object for a child to play with" is the oxford definition. Sure, it adds "typically a model or miniature replica of something." but that doesn't mean a miniature you have to assemble (and they wouldn't be permitted to, as I mentioned) it'd mean something like a movable Action Man or Barbie figure. And I don't know what you're getting at with the Call of Duty reference.
Sure, if you want to call wargaming miniatures toys then feel free, but they technically aren't, and some collectors (and "collectables" might be a better definition for the miniatures) find it insulting to have something they've poured hours upon hours of work into turning into a work of art called a "toy", as the word naturally belittles the miniature by comparing it to the aforementioned Action Man or Barbie figures. I am one of those people. So while you're free to call them whatever you want, and I certainly can't stop you, I would ask you please do not call them toys on this forum.

[Ameriganastan]

Are you two seriously arguing over the definition of the word toy? Who cares?

[Tethys 13]

Are you two seriously arguing over the definition of the word toy? Who cares?

...It's pretty obvious that in this context I do, otherwise I wouldn't be arguing it. And specifically it isn't the definition, it is the use of the word.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Not by definition. Puzzles are toys, but a lot of them are too complicated for children.

Toys are intended for play, that's it.

Neither is Call of Duty.

"An object for a child to play with" is the oxford definition.

>Leaving out the other relevant definition
Intellectual dishonesty.

"An object, especially a gadget or machine, regarded as providing amusement for an adult."

Sure, it adds "typically a model or miniature replica of something." but that doesn't mean a miniature you have to assemble (and they wouldn't be permitted to, as I mentioned) it'd mean something like a movable Action Man or Barbie figure.

Army men. Toy soldiers.

And I don't know what you're getting at with the Call of Duty reference.

Not meant for kids, but kids still play it. Likewise, children still assemble Warhammer miniatures.

Another one: lego sets often come with a minimum age, but kids below that age play with them all the time.

Sure, if you want to call wargaming miniatures toys then feel free, but they technically aren't,

They are as the Oxford dictionary defines.

and some collectors (and "collectables" might be a better definition for the miniatures) find it insulting to have something they've poured hours upon hours of work into turning into a work of art called a "toy", as the word naturally belittles the miniature by comparing it to the aforementioned Action Man or Barbie figures.

That sounds like their problem, not mine.

Honestly, I don't see the issue with being associated with Action Man.

I am one of those people. So while you're free to call them whatever you want, and I certainly can't stop you, I would ask you please do not call them toys on this forum.

There's a lot of things I can't call things on NS. Can't misgender, can't say political nicknames, and can't spew insults. Calling Warhammer miniatures toys falls under none of these.

[Trollgaard]

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