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Are you picking up the new Shadowspear set?

Yes, I am, or I already have it!
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I'm still on the fence.
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No, I'm not interested in the set / the armies in it.
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Total votes : 26

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Postby Baltenstein » Sat Jul 22, 2017 5:29 am

Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:
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Could be worse, the Alpha Legion rarely gets anything, even lore.


They do have a new book coming out where they face off against the Sisters of Battle. I think it's post-Indomitus Crusade as well.


Does the Alpha Legion still have its confusing "we're Chaos, but not really" fluff?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jul 22, 2017 5:32 am

Baltenstein wrote:
Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:
They do have a new book coming out where they face off against the Sisters of Battle. I think it's post-Indomitus Crusade as well.


Does the Alpha Legion still have its confusing "we're Chaos, but not really" fluff?


Yes.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:49 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:That is probably not going to happen, if only because there are miniatures to sell. Why do you dislike the Sororitas so much?

Boob armor is stupid.

Let's just say that it is the closest some of the more dedicated whammers will get to them and leave it at that.


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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:20 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:That is probably not going to happen, if only because there are miniatures to sell. Why do you dislike the Sororitas so much?


Boob armor is stupid.

In other news, I got my Mark 1 minis in the other day. I don't have any pictures on hand but I think they're pretty great. Now I just have to decide how to paint them.

Boob armor is ALWAYS stupid.

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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:22 am

So anyone here know of the "If the emperor had a text-to-speech device" series on Youtube?
Because it is fucking hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_2nM1GEllg

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:23 am

Genivaria wrote:So anyone here know of the "If the emperor had a text-to-speech device" series on Youtube?
Because it is fucking hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_2nM1GEllg


I imagine we all do, it's pretty great.

Needs more Thunder Warriors though :p
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Postby Caltharus » Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:13 am

Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:
They do have a new book coming out where they face off against the Sisters of Battle. I think it's post-Indomitus Crusade as well.


https://www.warhammer-community.com/201 ... ge-post-4/

So this just came out. Seems that atleast right after the heresy Alpha Legion hadn't fallen for chaos.

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Postby Ameriganastan » Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:04 pm

Genivaria wrote:So anyone here know of the "If the emperor had a text-to-speech device" series on Youtube?
Because it is fucking hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_2nM1GEllg

I link every new episode when it comes out.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:31 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Boob armor is stupid.

In other news, I got my Mark 1 minis in the other day. I don't have any pictures on hand but I think they're pretty great. Now I just have to decide how to paint them.

Boob armor is ALWAYS stupid.

It's not exactly practical in real life, but for some reason it is amazingly popular in animation and miniature wargaming. Why? It's a mystery. A very mysterious mystery, even.


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Postby Onekawa-Nukanor » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:01 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Boob armor is ALWAYS stupid.

It's not exactly practical in real life, but for some reason it is amazingly popular in animation and miniature wargaming. Why? It's a mystery. A very mysterious mystery, even.


I imagine that boob armour is a way to make armoured female figurines obviously female, especially back in the 90s and earlier since a lot of wargaming models (especially warhammer) from that era are fairly simplistic and don't have much detail. Since boob plate is a fairly basic addition it's an easy way to differentiate between male and female armoured models.

Modern boob plate is probably a carryover from this simpler time.

Of course there is also the fact that men and boys make up a majority of the hobby and (probably, not entirely sure) the industry itself, and this demographic might be more likely to buy these models if they are sexually suggestive. Not that this is necessarily the case of course, but the whole "sex sells" thing is a thing especially amongst young male teens in the full grip of puberty with hormones going into overdrive.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Jul 22, 2017 4:05 pm

Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:It's not exactly practical in real life, but for some reason it is amazingly popular in animation and miniature wargaming. Why? It's a mystery. A very mysterious mystery, even.


I imagine that boob armour is a way to make armoured female figurines obviously female, especially back in the 90s and earlier since a lot of wargaming models (especially warhammer) from that era are fairly simplistic and don't have much detail. Since boob plate is a fairly basic addition it's an easy way to differentiate between male and female armoured models.

Modern boob plate is probably a carryover from this simpler time.

Of course there is also the fact that men and boys make up a majority of the hobby and (probably, not entirely sure) the industry itself, and this demographic might be more likely to buy these models if they are sexually suggestive. Not that this is necessarily the case of course, but the whole "sex sells" thing is a thing especially amongst young male teens in the full grip of puberty with hormones going into overdrive.

>Morathi's model
You may be onto something here.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Jul 22, 2017 5:00 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:I imagine that boob armour is a way to make armoured female figurines obviously female, especially back in the 90s and earlier since a lot of wargaming models (especially warhammer) from that era are fairly simplistic and don't have much detail. Since boob plate is a fairly basic addition it's an easy way to differentiate between male and female armoured models.

Modern boob plate is probably a carryover from this simpler time.

Of course there is also the fact that men and boys make up a majority of the hobby and (probably, not entirely sure) the industry itself, and this demographic might be more likely to buy these models if they are sexually suggestive. Not that this is necessarily the case of course, but the whole "sex sells" thing is a thing especially amongst young male teens in the full grip of puberty with hormones going into overdrive.

>Morathi's model
You may be onto something here.

It's purely esthetic, of course. Also great symbolism.


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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:27 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:It's purely esthetic, of course. Also great symbolism.

I mean, this is the woman that's supposedly banging her son, after all.
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Postby Baltenstein » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:55 am

Boob armor exists for the same reason why most female superheroines' hero costumes look like they just came from the local strip club.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:12 am

Baltenstein wrote:Boob armor exists for the same reason why most female superheroines' hero costumes look like they just came from the local strip club.

Female empowerment?


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Postby Lord Tothe » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:32 pm

Baltenstein wrote:Boob armor exists for the same reason why most female superheroines' hero costumes look like they just came from the local strip club.

Lazy design trapped in tradition, plus skin sells?

I do like the idea behind the SoB, but I agree that boob cup armor is a stupid design. My only complaints about the Grishnakh alternative models ar ethe heads and the boob armor, both of which are even worse than GW's metal minis. Everything else is pretty decent about them though, all things considered. They're less stripperiffic than the "Toughest Girls in the Galaxy" line, or whatever it was called.
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Postby Onekawa-Nukanor » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:43 am

Lord Tothe wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:Boob armor exists for the same reason why most female superheroines' hero costumes look like they just came from the local strip club.

Lazy design trapped in tradition, plus skin sells?

I do like the idea behind the SoB, but I agree that boob cup armor is a stupid design. My only complaints about the Grishnakh alternative models ar ethe heads and the boob armor, both of which are even worse than GW's metal minis. Everything else is pretty decent about them though, all things considered. They're less stripperiffic than the "Toughest Girls in the Galaxy" line, or whatever it was called.


Honestly I just be one of the few people who like boob armour. It just seems very unpopular overall.
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Postby Jetan » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:24 am

Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:
Lord Tothe wrote: Lazy design trapped in tradition, plus skin sells?

I do like the idea behind the SoB, but I agree that boob cup armor is a stupid design. My only complaints about the Grishnakh alternative models ar ethe heads and the boob armor, both of which are even worse than GW's metal minis. Everything else is pretty decent about them though, all things considered. They're less stripperiffic than the "Toughest Girls in the Galaxy" line, or whatever it was called.


Honestly I just be one of the few people who like boob armour. It just seems very unpopular overall.

For SoB it works. Their whole existence is conditional on a loop hole since Eclesiarchy is forbidden from keeping men under arms. Empahasizing that they're technically not makes sense, and 40k is advanced enough that any structural issues (namely, that boob plate is pretty much more likely to kill it's wearer than save them) can be handwaved away.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:27 am

Jetan wrote:
Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:Honestly I just be one of the few people who like boob armour. It just seems very unpopular overall.

For SoB it works. Their whole existence is conditional on a loop hole since Eclesiarchy is forbidden from keeping men under arms. Empahasizing that they're technically not makes sense, and 40k is advanced enough that any structural issues (namely, that boob plate is pretty much more likely to kill it's wearer than save them) can be handwaved away.

What greater glory is there than to die for the Imperium, so that others can take your place in order to do the same?


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Postby Crookfur » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:12 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Jetan wrote:For SoB it works. Their whole existence is conditional on a loop hole since Eclesiarchy is forbidden from keeping men under arms. Empahasizing that they're technically not makes sense, and 40k is advanced enough that any structural issues (namely, that boob plate is pretty much more likely to kill it's wearer than save them) can be handwaved away.

What greater glory is there than to die for the Imperium, so that others can take your place in order to do the same?

Equally you are one of the emperor's most valuable resources and it is a great sin to waste the glorious imperator's precious resources...
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Postby Jetan » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:55 pm

Crookfur wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:What greater glory is there than to die for the Imperium, so that others can take your place in order to do the same?

Equally your equipment is among are one of the emperor's most valuable resources and it is a great sin to waste the glorious imperator's precious resources... So make sure to die in a place where the equipment is easily recoverable.

Fixed that for you.
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Postby Crookfur » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:36 pm

Jetan wrote:
Crookfur wrote:Equally your equipment is among are one of the emperor's most valuable resources and it is a great sin to waste the glorious imperator's precious resources... So make sure to die in a place where the equipment is easily recoverable.

Fixed that for you.

That's only really a thing in the gaurd ;)
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Postby Jetan » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:45 pm

Crookfur wrote:
Jetan wrote:Fixed that for you.

That's only really a thing in the gaurd ;)

The Imperium is equal opportunity opressor. But yeah, true enough.
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Postby Baltenstein » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:54 am

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Postby Ameriganastan » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:28 am

Baltenstein wrote:No man that died in the Emperor's service died in vain.

Every man who dies in the Emperor's name dies in vain. Cause those deaths aren't staving off the inevitable end of the Imperium. They're hosed, but they're in some big denial about it.
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