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Are you picking up the new Shadowspear set?

Yes, I am, or I already have it!
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15%
I'm still on the fence.
14
54%
No, I'm not interested in the set / the armies in it.
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Total votes : 26

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Postby Jetan » Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:59 pm

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Jetan wrote:It's nice isn't it? Unfortunately after a test it seems it's too big to fit into shoulder pads neatly with my painting skills. Swastika alone without the extensions changing the symbol to Tursaansydän would fit but the mere though of the amount of explaining I'd have to do everytime I played someone I didn't already know is exhausting. Fylflot would also work but at that size it'd be very difficult to paint it in a way in which it wouldn't be mistaken for a swastika.

You might want to consider a variant of the triskelion instead, maybe.

Yes, that was suggested to me but I think it's a bit too dainty and spherical.

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Jetan wrote:It's nice isn't it? Unfortunately after a test it seems it's too big to fit into shoulder pads neatly with my painting skills. Swastika alone without the extensions changing the symbol to Tursaansydän would fit but the mere though of the amount of explaining I'd have to do everytime I played someone I didn't already know is exhausting. Fylflot would also work but at that size it'd be very difficult to paint it in a way in which it wouldn't be mistaken for a swastika.

They're members of a pseudo-fascist regime that espouses hatred of other races. A vaguely swastika thing fits.

True (fascism isn't the intended point though). A reaction I got from another forum has made me reconsider a bit though. While I don't consider anywhere near all of the arguments to be valid (one guy went as far as saying he'd not only refuse to play against me if I used swastika, but would actively try to get organisers in a hypotethical event we were attending to kick me out for it) it just doesn't seem worth all the trouble.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:59 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:do you guys think emprah can actually die or he'll became something nasty (for chaos) in the warp?

he can turn chaos to something else for example. after all, chaos gods consumes good thoughts as much as evil ones.

In the RP I'm working on, he becomes a warp god, and deity of humanity, purity, hatred, and punishment.

Not a Chaos god though.


If he could consume good thoughts which empowers Chaos just as same as blood, torture or deception, I guess it would be enough to kill at least one Chaos god immediately and block other three.

It would be such glorious irony there, if God-Emprah murdered Slaneesh and saved Eldars: same a**holes calling us animals.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:09 pm

Jetan wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:You might want to consider a variant of the triskelion instead, maybe.

Yes, that was suggested to me but I think it's a bit too dainty and spherical.

What about the Malevich Cross as used by Laibach?

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CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:10 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:In the RP I'm working on, he becomes a warp god, and deity of humanity, purity, hatred, and punishment.

Not a Chaos god though.


If he could consume good thoughts which empowers Chaos just as same as blood, torture or deception, I guess it would be enough to kill at least one Chaos god immediately and block other three.

It would be such glorious irony there, if God-Emprah murdered Slaneesh and saved Eldars: same a**holes calling us animals.

Nah, he just prevents his children from getting corrupted and lets them sense the Astronomicon, while those descended from Chaos worshippers don't get that. No gods are killed.

Slaanesh is locked in combat with Ynnead and Cegorach though, and all the Craftworld Eldar are dead. Because fuck the Eldar.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:13 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:
If he could consume good thoughts which empowers Chaos just as same as blood, torture or deception, I guess it would be enough to kill at least one Chaos god immediately and block other three.

It would be such glorious irony there, if God-Emprah murdered Slaneesh and saved Eldars: same a**holes calling us animals.

Nah, he just prevents his children from getting corrupted and lets them sense the Astronomicon, while those descended from Chaos worshippers don't get that. No gods are killed.

Slaanesh is locked in combat with Ynnead and Cegorach though, and all the Craftworld Eldar are dead. Because fuck the Eldar.

But the Eldar are so elegant!
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:14 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Nah, he just prevents his children from getting corrupted and lets them sense the Astronomicon, while those descended from Chaos worshippers don't get that. No gods are killed.

Slaanesh is locked in combat with Ynnead and Cegorach though, and all the Craftworld Eldar are dead. Because fuck the Eldar.

But the Eldar are so elegant!

So was Marie Antoinette my friend.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:16 pm

Jetan wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:You might want to consider a variant of the triskelion instead, maybe.

Yes, that was suggested to me but I think it's a bit too dainty and spherical.

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:They're members of a pseudo-fascist regime that espouses hatred of other races. A vaguely swastika thing fits.

True (fascism isn't the intended point though). A reaction I got from another forum has made me reconsider a bit though. While I don't consider anywhere near all of the arguments to be valid (one guy went as far as saying he'd not only refuse to play against me if I used swastika, but would actively try to get organisers in a hypotethical event we were attending to kick me out for it) it just doesn't seem worth all the trouble.


Wankers are wankers. I would love to watch that guy try and play a WW2 wargame :lol2: .
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:19 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:But the Eldar are so elegant!

So was Marie Antoinette my friend.

Hey, not everybody can be so practical and efficient as the Tau.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Socialist Czechia » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:21 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:But the Eldar are so elegant!

So was Marie Antoinette my friend.


would bang anyway.

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in this case both.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:27 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:So was Marie Antoinette my friend.


would bang anyway.

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in this case both.

Dat ass.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:30 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:would bang anyway.

Image


in this case both.

Dat ass.

Irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that she only brought swords to a bolter fight.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:31 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Dat ass.

Irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that she only brought swords to a bolter fight.

Dat ass though.
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Postby Lord Tothe » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:32 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:do you guys think emprah can actually die or he'll became something nasty (for chaos) in the warp?

he can turn chaos to something else for example. after all, chaos gods consumes good thoughts as much as evil ones.

In the RP I'm working on, he becomes a warp god, and deity of humanity, purity, hatred, and punishment.

Not a Chaos god though.

Nope, he'll definitely be a new chaos god.

Anyone else think it would be fun to run an army of walkers as an unbound army?
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:35 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:Irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that she only brought swords to a bolter fight.

Dat ass though.

That's just artistic license with a sprinkling of fan service.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:36 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:So was Marie Antoinette my friend.


would bang anyway.

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in this case both.


I have always thought banging a sister of battle would be as enjoyable as banging a bag of cold nails.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:43 pm

Lord Tothe wrote:Nope, he'll definitely be a new chaos god.



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Chaos is merely a nature. It was created by the mess in material universe. But for some reason, Chaos gods are acting like total evil, although Khorne is about bravery, Slaanesh is for joy and Nurgle is 'just' cycle of life.

So if Emprah will became human god of purity and contempt, through all the human souls and thoughts, he will be same 'natural' creation of universe as Chaos gods.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:44 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:
would bang anyway.

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in this case both.


I have always thought banging a sister of battle would be as enjoyable as banging a bag of cold nails.


Depends how much fervor for the Emprah you've got hanging out behind your oversized codpiece.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:45 pm

Lord Tothe wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:In the RP I'm working on, he becomes a warp god, and deity of humanity, purity, hatred, and punishment.

Not a Chaos god though.

Nope, he'll definitely be a new chaos god.

To each his own.

Anyone else think it would be fun to run an army of walkers as an unbound army?

Yes? Which walker?
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:47 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:I have always thought banging a sister of battle would be as enjoyable as banging a bag of cold nails.

Depends how much fervor for the Emprah you've got hanging out behind your oversized codpiece.

*a wild funky soundtrack appears*
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Nyte » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:50 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:Depends how much fervor for the Emprah you've got hanging out behind your oversized codpiece.

*a wild funky soundtrack appears*


Insert 70's porno music here...
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:51 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:
Lord Tothe wrote:Nope, he'll definitely be a new chaos god.



Image






Chaos is merely a nature. It was created by the mess in material universe. But for some reason, Chaos gods are acting like total evil, although Khorne is about bravery, Slaanesh is for joy and Nurgle is 'just' cycle of life.

No, they were made that way. Khorne was born a bloodthirsty warmonger, Nurgle a plague-spreading landwhale, Slaanesh an embodiment of the Eldar's depravity, and Tzeentch...

Nobody knows what's up with him.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:53 pm

Nyte wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:*a wild funky soundtrack appears*

Insert 70's porno music here...

Which would be a funky soundtrack. Granted, it is not exactly grimdark enough for the far future where there is only war. It's probably heretical as well.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:55 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:
Image






Chaos is merely a nature. It was created by the mess in material universe. But for some reason, Chaos gods are acting like total evil, although Khorne is about bravery, Slaanesh is for joy and Nurgle is 'just' cycle of life.

No, they were made that way. Khorne was born a bloodthirsty warmonger, Nurgle a plague-spreading landwhale, Slaanesh an embodiment of the Eldar's depravity, and Tzeentch...

Nobody knows what's up with him.


Tzeentch is entropy, ambition. Enough downtrodden masses and he's happy to show up.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Sat Apr 23, 2016 6:00 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Nobody knows what's up with him.


just as planned, i guess.
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Postby Lord Tothe » Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:27 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Lord Tothe wrote:Anyone else think it would be fun to run an army of walkers as an unbound army?

Yes? Which walker?

Dreadnaughts. Deff Dreads. Killa Kans. War Walkers. Penitent Engines. Onager Dunecrawler. Defiler. Mech Warriors in the Far Future of the 41st Millenium!
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