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Are you picking up the new Shadowspear set?

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Postby Nyte » Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:54 am

Jetan wrote:
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Deciding what you want them to focus on should help you choose which legion their geneseed came from...

Deciding how it affects them could also be influenced by whether or not they know where their geneseed came from... Also, I'd expect at the least there would be a higher % of mutation and failures depending on the source of the geneseed.

Indeed. The knowing/unknowing decision is one of the big ones. On one hand it would be nice if atleast the chapter leadership knew, on the other hand, that would prevent the more mysterious implied legacy (as in they are traitor successors but it's not generally speaking known) which I think would go down easier with a lot of people than just saying they have traitor geneseed,


Well, how similar do you want them to be to the Dark Angels (with the leadership knowing it could be pretty similar situation wise), and from the sound of things, you want the mystery around their implied legacy.
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Postby Lord Tothe » Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:05 am

Jetan wrote:
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Deciding what you want them to focus on should help you choose which legion their geneseed came from...

Deciding how it affects them could also be influenced by whether or not they know where their geneseed came from... Also, I'd expect at the least there would be a higher % of mutation and failures depending on the source of the geneseed.

Indeed. The knowing/unknowing decision is one of the big ones. On one hand it would be nice if atleast the chapter leadership knew, on the other hand, that would prevent the more mysterious implied legacy (as in they are traitor successors but it's not generally speaking known) which I think would go down easier with a lot of people than just saying they have traitor geneseed,

OTOH, a known traitor ancestry could be used for extra narrative as they try to absolve the sins of their ancestors in heroic combat. Perhaps they have Ultrasmurf-levels of adherence to the Codex Astartes, and they seek combat against Chaos forces above all else.
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Postby Jetan » Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:28 am

Lord Tothe wrote:
Jetan wrote:Indeed. The knowing/unknowing decision is one of the big ones. On one hand it would be nice if atleast the chapter leadership knew, on the other hand, that would prevent the more mysterious implied legacy (as in they are traitor successors but it's not generally speaking known) which I think would go down easier with a lot of people than just saying they have traitor geneseed,

OTOH, a known traitor ancestry could be used for extra narrative as they try to absolve the sins of their ancestors in heroic combat. Perhaps they have Ultrasmurf-levels of adherence to the Codex Astartes, and they seek combat against Chaos forces above all else.

I used to play the Men In Blue, so maybe not. :P

It's not a bad idea though, altough it might limit the progenitor choices though. No matter how loyal, I doubt known Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus successor would fare very well for example. Unless you meant known as in known to the chapter?
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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:41 am

I'd avoid even the chapter themselves knowing about it.
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Postby Jetan » Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:43 am

Entirely or just the rank and file?
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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:49 pm

Entirely. A lot of chapters don't know who they descended from.
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Postby Nyte » Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:33 pm

Not only that, but you could easily make it part of their background that they're always looking for clues to their origin... Might make for some good fluff and even a few special gaming scenarios as well.
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Postby The Ben Boys » Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:05 pm

Has anyone tried Battlfleet Gothic Armada? It just came out today and I can't fork over the forty bucks, but with the magic of Steam many have played it already and seem to like it.


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Postby Slorch » Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:06 pm

The Ben Boys wrote:Has anyone tried Battlfleet Gothic Armada? It just came out today and I can't fork over the forty bucks, but with the magic of Steam many have played it already and seem to like it.

Worth every dollar.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:16 pm

The Ben Boys wrote:Has anyone tried Battlfleet Gothic Armada? It just came out today and I can't fork over the forty bucks, but with the magic of Steam many have played it already and seem to like it.


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Postby Slorch » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:08 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
The Ben Boys wrote:Has anyone tried Battlfleet Gothic Armada? It just came out today and I can't fork over the forty bucks, but with the magic of Steam many have played it already and seem to like it.


+1


It's a pretty faithful recreation of the table top. Just RTS instead of turns.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:18 am

Slorch wrote:
The Ben Boys wrote:Has anyone tried Battlfleet Gothic Armada? It just came out today and I can't fork over the forty bucks, but with the magic of Steam many have played it already and seem to like it.

Worth every dollar.

Ditto, well.. pounds for me.

Its really fun, only played the campaign so far but its quite enjoyable.
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Postby Neema » Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:58 am

Slorch wrote:
The Ben Boys wrote:Has anyone tried Battlfleet Gothic Armada? It just came out today and I can't fork over the forty bucks, but with the magic of Steam many have played it already and seem to like it.

Worth every dollar.


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Postby Jetan » Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:51 am

Do you guys think [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tursaansydän]Tursaansydän[/url] would work as a chapter symbol?
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:07 pm

Jetan wrote:Do you guys think [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tursaansydän]Tursaansydän[/url] would work as a chapter symbol?

Yes.
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Postby Jetan » Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:10 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Jetan wrote:Do you guys think [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tursaansydän]Tursaansydän[/url] would work as a chapter symbol?

Yes.

It's nice isn't it? Unfortunately after a test it seems it's too big to fit into shoulder pads neatly with my painting skills. Swastika alone without the extensions changing the symbol to Tursaansydän would fit but the mere though of the amount of explaining I'd have to do everytime I played someone I didn't already know is exhausting. Fylflot would also work but at that size it'd be very difficult to paint it in a way in which it wouldn't be mistaken for a swastika.
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Postby Lord Tothe » Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:29 pm

Jetan wrote:Do you guys think [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tursaansydän]Tursaansydän[/url] would work as a chapter symbol?

Sure, if you can paint it well enough.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:22 pm

Jetan wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Yes.

It's nice isn't it? Unfortunately after a test it seems it's too big to fit into shoulder pads neatly with my painting skills. Swastika alone without the extensions changing the symbol to Tursaansydän would fit but the mere though of the amount of explaining I'd have to do everytime I played someone I didn't already know is exhausting. Fylflot would also work but at that size it'd be very difficult to paint it in a way in which it wouldn't be mistaken for a swastika.

You might want to consider a variant of the triskelion instead, maybe.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:29 pm

Jetan wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Yes.

It's nice isn't it? Unfortunately after a test it seems it's too big to fit into shoulder pads neatly with my painting skills. Swastika alone without the extensions changing the symbol to Tursaansydän would fit but the mere though of the amount of explaining I'd have to do everytime I played someone I didn't already know is exhausting. Fylflot would also work but at that size it'd be very difficult to paint it in a way in which it wouldn't be mistaken for a swastika.

They're members of a pseudo-fascist regime that espouses hatred of other races. A vaguely swastika thing fits.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:42 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Jetan wrote:It's nice isn't it? Unfortunately after a test it seems it's too big to fit into shoulder pads neatly with my painting skills. Swastika alone without the extensions changing the symbol to Tursaansydän would fit but the mere though of the amount of explaining I'd have to do everytime I played someone I didn't already know is exhausting. Fylflot would also work but at that size it'd be very difficult to paint it in a way in which it wouldn't be mistaken for a swastika.

They're members of a pseudo-fascist regime that espouses hatred of other races. A vaguely swastika thing fits.

Nothing pseudo about it, if you ask me. The Imperium of Man in general isn't exactly known for its tolerance and pacifism. Hell, even the Orks have a better track record in that field!
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:50 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:They're members of a pseudo-fascist regime that espouses hatred of other races. A vaguely swastika thing fits.

Nothing pseudo about it, if you ask me. The Imperium of Man in general isn't exactly known for its tolerance and pacifism. Hell, even the Orks have a better track record in that field!

Well, considering the feudal nature of the Imperium we can't say they're for sure a fascist state, just ultra right wing and conservative.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:50 pm

do you guys think emprah can actually die or he'll became something nasty (for chaos) in the warp?

he can turn chaos to something else for example. after all, chaos gods consumes good thoughts as much as evil ones.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:52 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:Nothing pseudo about it, if you ask me. The Imperium of Man in general isn't exactly known for its tolerance and pacifism. Hell, even the Orks have a better track record in that field!

Well, considering the feudal nature of the Imperium we can't say they're for sure a fascist state, just ultra right wing and conservative.

Many would argue that there is not really a difference between those, but that's a subject for a different thread.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:55 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:do you guys think emprah can actually die or he'll became something nasty (for chaos) in the warp?

he can turn chaos to something else for example. after all, chaos gods consumes good thoughts as much as evil ones.

In the RP I'm working on, he becomes a warp god, and deity of humanity, purity, hatred, and punishment.

Not a Chaos god though.
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