The Warhammer 40.000/Fantasy Discussion Thread Mk.II

[The Biggles Syndicate]

So did Guilliman get revived again or is he still "dead"? I heard something about him being alive but idk the year the video was made.

He's been revived for about a century now, wading through the bureaucracy and the forces of his immensely butthurt brothers like he always does.

I have a feeling in GA2 he'll show up in a few missions where you help his crusade fleet, and then in the end he'll pay you back by helping you with the final mission. I also feel Macragge's Honour will fight the Vengeful Spirit and probably barely win.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Rowboat is actually one of my favourite primarchs. Guy is alright.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Rowboat is actually one of my favourite primarchs. Guy is alright.

I got a thing for blondes tbh

[Ameriganastan]

Rowboat is actually one of my favourite primarchs. Guy is alright.

Yeah, he was cool. It's his Legion (And Matt "Ultramarine Fanboy #1" Ward's writing of them) I don't like.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Rowboat is actually one of my favourite primarchs. Guy is alright.

I got a thing for blondes tbh

Same.

Well blonde girls not guys.

Rowboat is actually one of my favourite primarchs. Guy is alright.

Yeah, he was cool. It's his Legion (And Matt "Ultramarine Fanboy #1" Ward's writing of them) I don't like.

Ultramarines are alright.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Rowboat is actually one of my favourite primarchs. Guy is alright.

Yeah, he was cool. It's his Legion (And Matt "Ultramarine Fanboy #1" Ward's writing of them) I don't like.

What is this, 2012?

[The Imperial Reach]

Yes, he's canonically kicking around the universe again.

sonuva...
Fuck Guilliman, let Russ, Dorn, or someone else come back. Hell bring Sanguinius back from the dead before you bring back Mr. Borderline Treason AGAIN.

"Borderline treason"?

What is this nonsense? Speak, heretic, or be BLAM'd.

[Torrocca]

Rowboat is actually one of my favourite primarchs. Guy is alright.

Robot Gillman has an amazing name, no doubt.

[Hurdergaryp]

Rowboat is actually one of my favourite primarchs. Guy is alright.

Robot Gillman has an amazing name, no doubt.

Rollerball Gigglemans seems like a swell guy.

[Northern Davincia]

My headcanon deems the Ultramarines as fake news. We should replace all the over-advertising they get with the Salamanders.

[The Imperial Reach]

Robot Gillman has an amazing name, no doubt.

Rollerball Gigglemans seems like a swell guy.

Robber Guillotine is a great man.

[Impaled Nazarene]

sonuva...
Fuck Guilliman, let Russ, Dorn, or someone else come back. Hell bring Sanguinius back from the dead before you bring back Mr. Borderline Treason AGAIN.

"Borderline treason"?

What is this nonsense? Speak, heretic, or be BLAM'd.

The establishment of Secundas with no information as to whether the empire had fallen or not. Making himself leader of said faction only making Sanguinius regent to avoid not looking humble whilst still holding power. Allowing himself to be resurrected by xenos with no concern of being mind controlled or otherwise influenced. Calling Dorn a traitor for not adopting the codex without resistance. Forcing said codex on all legions and threatening force if they didn't accept.

[Ameriganastan]

"Borderline treason"?

What is this nonsense? Speak, heretic, or be BLAM'd.

The establishment of Secundas with no information as to whether the empire had fallen or not. Making himself leader of said faction only making Sanguinius regent to avoid not looking humble whilst still holding power. Allowing himself to be resurrected by xenos with no concern of being mind controlled or otherwise influenced. Calling Dorn a traitor for not adopting the codex without resistance. Forcing said codex on all legions and threatening force if they didn't accept.

...Okay, you clearly only skimmed that lore entry.

The Astronomican went out after Istvaan V. They had no way of knowing if The Emperor was alive or not. The Secundus was founded to keep Big E's vision going. And after the Heresy ended, Rowboat shut it down and had it reabsorbed into The Imperium. And EVERYONE loved Sanguinius. For cripes sake, even freaking Horus thought he should have been Warmaster over him. Rowboat didn't make him head of the Secundus to look humble. He did it cause he thought he'd be a good leader.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

"Borderline treason"?

What is this nonsense? Speak, heretic, or be BLAM'd.

The establishment of Secundas with no information as to whether the empire had fallen or not.

Establishing a new state when he was unable to contact

Making himself leader of said faction

Who better than a primarch to lead? Would establishing a bicameral legislature with two senators from every planet and a number of representatives proportional to their respective planets' populations been preferable? Perhaps found various workers' councils (soviets if you would) that communicate to organize a massive people's union?

only making Sanguinius regent to avoid not looking humble whilst still holding power.

Okay?

Allowing himself to be resurrected by xenos with no concern of being mind controlled or otherwise influenced.

It's hard for the comatose to protest. Yes, he could've done something like commit suicide out of paranoia, but what does the Imperium need more, a dead primarch or a living one?

Calling Dorn a traitor for not adopting the codex without resistance. Forcing said codex on all legions and threatening force if they didn't accept.

The prospect of an entire legion rebelling and dragging the Imperium into another civil war was a very real concern after a sobering nine legions went rogue.

If we want to just toss around the traitor label, the real traitors are the Ecclesiarchy and the Council of Terra, who have long misinterpreted and twisted the Emperor's legacy into something far outside and even contrary to his intent.

[Impaled Nazarene]

The establishment of Secundas with no information as to whether the empire had fallen or not.

Establishing a new state when he was unable to contact

Making himself leader of said faction

Who better than a primarch to lead? Would establishing a bicameral legislature with two senators from every planet and a number of representatives proportional to their respective planets' populations been preferable? Perhaps found various workers' councils (soviets if you would) that communicate to organize a massive people's union?

only making Sanguinius regent to avoid not looking humble whilst still holding power.

Okay?

Allowing himself to be resurrected by xenos with no concern of being mind controlled or otherwise influenced.

It's hard for the comatose to protest. Yes, he could've done something like commit suicide out of paranoia, but what does the Imperium need more, a dead primarch or a living one?

Calling Dorn a traitor for not adopting the codex without resistance. Forcing said codex on all legions and threatening force if they didn't accept.

The prospect of an entire legion rebelling and dragging the Imperium into another civil war was a very real concern after a sobering nine legions went rogue.
If we want to just toss around the traitor label, the real traitors are the Ecclesiarchy and the Council of Terra, who have long misinterpreted and twisted the Emperor's legacy into something far outside and even contrary to his intent.

Except it was Guiliman who would have dragged them into another war. Russ basically said fuck you and your codex and that didn't start a civil war.
No I'm not calling for shit democracy in the imperium but first of all Russ, Corax and Khan shouldn't have sprinted dicks first and ran into the eye of terror and commoragh respectively while the imperium was in shambles. Did the emperor not intend the primarchs to rule together in his absence? Having Guilliman rule as a singular figure should not have been allowed in the first place especially with the Ultramarines seemingly worshiping him and Big Daddy Calgar is a very dangerous prospect as we saw with the traitor legions who revered their primarchs over the emperor even before chaos corrupted them significantly.
Obviously the ecclesiarchy and high council are the true traitors but that is so blatant it needs not mention. Like they are heretics in all but corruption.
Guilliman walks a very fine line hence calling his actions borderline treason.
Is he a traitor/heretic? No. Guilliman is an outstanding primarch who rightfully gains the respect of everyone not named Lorgar or Angron through accomplishment, ability, charisma, etc. Also GW wouldn't dare make blondie a traitor because no matter how well you write it Guilliman being a traitor would be one of the most tedious plot twists possible.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Establishing a new state when he was unable to contact

Who better than a primarch to lead? Would establishing a bicameral legislature with two senators from every planet and a number of representatives proportional to their respective planets' populations been preferable? Perhaps found various workers' councils (soviets if you would) that communicate to organize a massive people's union?

Okay?

It's hard for the comatose to protest. Yes, he could've done something like commit suicide out of paranoia, but what does the Imperium need more, a dead primarch or a living one?

The prospect of an entire legion rebelling and dragging the Imperium into another civil war was a very real concern after a sobering nine legions went rogue.
If we want to just toss around the traitor label, the real traitors are the Ecclesiarchy and the Council of Terra, who have long misinterpreted and twisted the Emperor's legacy into something far outside and even contrary to his intent.

Except it was Guiliman who would have dragged them into another war. Russ basically said fuck you and your codex and that didn't start a civil war.

So it was Guilliman who would have dragged them into another civil war... But he didn't drag them into another civil war when the supposed criteria for him starting another civil war was met?

No I'm not calling for shit democracy in the imperium but first of all Russ, Corax and Khan shouldn't have sprinted dicks first and ran into the eye of terror and commoragh respectively while the imperium was in shambles. Did the emperor not intend the primarchs to rule together in his absence?

The Emperor didn't intend a lot of things. The Primarchs sort of fucked it.

Having Guilliman rule as a singular figure should not have been allowed in the first place especially with the Ultramarines seemingly worshiping him and Big Daddy Calgar is a very dangerous prospect as we saw with the traitor legions who revered their primarchs over the emperor even before chaos corrupted them significantly.

All of the Space Marines worship their primarch now. That Ultramarines do is nothing special.

Obviously the ecclesiarchy and high council are the true traitors but that is so blatant it needs not mention. Like they are heretics in all but corruption.
Guilliman walks a very fine line hence calling his actions borderline treason.

Hardly borderline. Everything he did was for the Imperium.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Got the OG 40k album in the mail. Sadly it doesn't have the original art. It has... this instead.
The original art was way better and went all the way back to Rogue Trader (album came out in 1989) but Games Workshop decided that nope fuck you we're corporate now, never heard of you and we'd sue you for the album we eagerly endorsed decades ago if we could.

Featuring such tracks as
Eternal War
Through The Eye of Terror
Dark Millennium
All That Remains
Plague Bearer
World Eater
Drowned in Torment
Realm of Chaos

[The Imperial Reach]

Establishing a new state when he was unable to contact

Who better than a primarch to lead? Would establishing a bicameral legislature with two senators from every planet and a number of representatives proportional to their respective planets' populations been preferable? Perhaps found various workers' councils (soviets if you would) that communicate to organize a massive people's union?

Okay?

It's hard for the comatose to protest. Yes, he could've done something like commit suicide out of paranoia, but what does the Imperium need more, a dead primarch or a living one?

The prospect of an entire legion rebelling and dragging the Imperium into another civil war was a very real concern after a sobering nine legions went rogue.
If we want to just toss around the traitor label, the real traitors are the Ecclesiarchy and the Council of Terra, who have long misinterpreted and twisted the Emperor's legacy into something far outside and even contrary to his intent.

Except it was Guiliman who would have dragged them into another war. Russ basically said fuck you and your codex and that didn't start a civil war.
No I'm not calling for shit democracy in the imperium but first of all Russ, Corax and Khan shouldn't have sprinted dicks first and ran into the eye of terror and commoragh respectively while the imperium was in shambles. Did the emperor not intend the primarchs to rule together in his absence? Having Guilliman rule as a singular figure should not have been allowed in the first place especially with the Ultramarines seemingly worshiping him and Big Daddy Calgar is a very dangerous prospect as we saw with the traitor legions who revered their primarchs over the emperor even before chaos corrupted them significantly.
Obviously the ecclesiarchy and high council are the true traitors but that is so blatant it needs not mention. Like they are heretics in all but corruption.
Guilliman walks a very fine line hence calling his actions borderline treason.
Is he a traitor/heretic? No. Guilliman is an outstanding primarch who rightfully gains the respect of everyone not named Lorgar or Angron through accomplishment, ability, charisma, etc. Also GW wouldn't dare make blondie a traitor because no matter how well you write it Guilliman being a traitor would be one of the most tedious plot twists possible.

There are inbred peasants on hive worlds that spout less nonsense than this.

First of all, Wardian Heresy should not be considered canon for any reason even if the God-Emperor himself broke the fourth wall and said it was. Secondly, every Legion worships their Primarch. They literally always have, with the sole exception probably being the Death Guard. This includes Loyalist Chapters as well. Third, you're right that Russ, Corax, and Khan shouldn't have fucked off for no apparent reason. The same could be said for Vulkan's idiotic game of Hide & Seek. At least Dorn has the excuse of being dead, and Lion and Guilliman have the excuse of having been mortally wounded.

Furthermore Guilliman was the only logical choice to lead because he was the only actual statesman of them all, or did you conveniently forget how Ultramarr became a thing? That was Guilliman's territory, which he ruled himself when the Emperor rediscovered him. For all the skill the other Primarchs had, Guilliman was the only one with actual experience in political leadership. He's a literal Warrior-King, whereas his brothers were all just warriors. It only makes sense that he'd be put in charge because in spite of his unpopularity among his brothers he's the only one who actually knows what he's doing. Plus, we've seen what happens when multiple people try to rule the Imperium. The High Lords of Terra might not be Primarchs but that just means they're less likely to drive the Imperium into yet another civil war between themselves.

And making Guilliman a traitor would be a stupid move simply because it makes no sense. Forget tediousness, it's just illogical. Guilliman is and has always been a man of reason - one of the few Primarchs to possess such a trait - just like the Emperor. He wouldn't turn traitor simply because it makes no fucking sense for him to do so.

[The Biggles Syndicate]

Rowboat is actually one of my favourite primarchs. Guy is alright.

A loud "NANI?!" can be heard from /tg/'s direction
Same here. When I first heard of this franchise, I saw how ridiculously dark it was. I'm the kind of guy who likes the "America F Yeah" Federation, and of course, there wasn't anything near it in sight. The space battles kept my attention, but I never fully got in. And then Abbadon showed up, absolutely ass stomping everyone, shattering Cadia, and making even the hardest Cadia fans shed a tear. Admiral Spire had no chance in hell of stopping Abby from flat out winning and reenacting the End Times. I got worried about GA2's story and how powerful Abby got.

Thankfully, humanity had a primarch in storage. And it introduced a character to me who actually liked freedom and prosperity, one who wasn't a lunatic or a religious zealot. Keep in mind, I didn't know much about regular Space Marines who had some elements of that yet. So I followed his story of infinite pain and bureaucracy, and dove in. Eventually, things got less weird and now I have DI and TDOB, not to mention money saved for GA2.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Except it was Guiliman who would have dragged them into another war. Russ basically said fuck you and your codex and that didn't start a civil war.
No I'm not calling for shit democracy in the imperium but first of all Russ, Corax and Khan shouldn't have sprinted dicks first and ran into the eye of terror and commoragh respectively while the imperium was in shambles. Did the emperor not intend the primarchs to rule together in his absence? Having Guilliman rule as a singular figure should not have been allowed in the first place especially with the Ultramarines seemingly worshiping him and Big Daddy Calgar is a very dangerous prospect as we saw with the traitor legions who revered their primarchs over the emperor even before chaos corrupted them significantly.
Obviously the ecclesiarchy and high council are the true traitors but that is so blatant it needs not mention. Like they are heretics in all but corruption.
Guilliman walks a very fine line hence calling his actions borderline treason.
Is he a traitor/heretic? No. Guilliman is an outstanding primarch who rightfully gains the respect of everyone not named Lorgar or Angron through accomplishment, ability, charisma, etc. Also GW wouldn't dare make blondie a traitor because no matter how well you write it Guilliman being a traitor would be one of the most tedious plot twists possible.

There are inbred peasants on hive worlds that spout less nonsense than this.

You don't have to hit the flame button just because I'm wrong. Even in the context of the universe that is uncalled for.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

There are inbred peasants on hive worlds that spout less nonsense than this.

You don't have to hit the flame button just because I'm wrong. Even in the context of the universe that is uncalled for.

It's hardly flaming. He called what you said nonsense, nothing wrong with that. The worst thing from it is the lack of explanation.

[Impaled Nazarene]

You don't have to hit the flame button just because I'm wrong. Even in the context of the universe that is uncalled for.

It's hardly flaming. He called what you said nonsense, nothing wrong with that. The worst thing from it is the lack of explanation.

"There are inbred peasants on hive worlds that spout less nonsense than this."
Saying that I am literally worse than an inbred city slum peasant is flaming. Don't act like that isn't what was said.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

It's hardly flaming. He called what you said nonsense, nothing wrong with that. The worst thing from it is the lack of explanation.

"There are inbred peasants on hive worlds that spout less nonsense than this."
Saying that I am literally worse than an inbred city slum peasant is flaming. Don't act like that isn't what was said.

No, he said what you said was worse than what an inbred peasant would spout.

Which TBH is kind of true because inbred peasants are indoctrinated to practically worship the primarchs.

[The Imperial Reach]

It's hardly flaming. He called what you said nonsense, nothing wrong with that. The worst thing from it is the lack of explanation.

"There are inbred peasants on hive worlds that spout less nonsense than this."
Saying that I am literally worse than an inbred city slum peasant is flaming. Don't act like that isn't what was said.

No, I was saying what you said was dumb. If it had been flaming I would have called you - not what you said - dumb. But I didn't, ergo it isn't flaming. I attacked the argument; not the poster. You said something stupid, so I called it stupid. Not YOU, but YOUR ARGUMENT.

[Impaled Nazarene]

"There are inbred peasants on hive worlds that spout less nonsense than this."
Saying that I am literally worse than an inbred city slum peasant is flaming. Don't act like that isn't what was said.

No, I was saying what you said was dumb. If it had been flaming I would have called you - not what you said - dumb. But I didn't, ergo it isn't flaming. I attacked the argument; not the poster. You said something stupid, so I called it stupid. Not YOU, but YOUR ARGUMENT.

Horseshit.

"There are inbred peasants on hive worlds that spout less nonsense than this."
You are saying that I am dumber than said inbred peasant and thus it is flaming.