The Warhammer 40.000/Fantasy Discussion Thread Mk.II

by **Kowani** » Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:53 pm

The Imperial Reach wrote:Welp, guess I'm the only one who unironically favors the Ultramarines (disregarding all Wardian heresy).

Salamanders and Raven Guard are pretty cool, too.

See, this is only half heretical. He likes the Ultramarines, but also likes the Raven Guard...perhaps your sentence will be lesser.

20 YEARS CONSCRIPTION INTO THE IMPERIAL GUARD!!!

by **Impaled Nazarene** » Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:23 pm

The Imperial Reach wrote:Welp, guess I'm the only one who unironically favors the Ultramarines (disregarding all Wardian heresy).

Salamanders and Raven Guard are pretty cool, too.

All hatred of the Smurfs comes from the Wardian Heresy really.

by **The Imperial Reach** » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:09 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
The Imperial Reach wrote:Welp, guess I'm the only one who unironically favors the Ultramarines (disregarding all Wardian heresy).

Salamanders and Raven Guard are pretty cool, too.

All hatred of the Smurfs comes from the Wardian Heresy really.

Hence why I said disregard all Wardian Heresy. He's a perfect example of how not to make something badass.

The first rule to writing about badassery is to not acknowledge badassery when it is shown, save for in the form of gawking onlookers. You can't just say they're badass; you have to show it through their actions, and such actions have to be believable within the grounds of reality established by whatever work they occur in. Ward fails to understand this and just throws them victory after victory while giving them a reach around. One thing a lot of writers fail to understand when writing badasses is that badassery =/= victory and badasses are allowed to lose every now and then in order to not look totally invincible. Ward's nepotism won't allow that, though, because in his mind Ultrasmurfs are the best and the best don't lose.

I still like them, though. They're still cool in spite of Ward's perversion of them as unstoppable, living gods while everybody else flounders and fumbles in comparison. Fuck Ward.

Kowani wrote:
The Imperial Reach wrote:Welp, guess I'm the only one who unironically favors the Ultramarines (disregarding all Wardian heresy).

Salamanders and Raven Guard are pretty cool, too.

See, this is only half heretical. He likes the Ultramarines, but also likes the Raven Guard...perhaps your sentence will be lesser.

20 YEARS CONSCRIPTION INTO THE IMPERIAL GUARD!!!

I said to disregard Wardian Heresy.

by **The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness** » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:24 am

Little do you realize that much of what people attribute to Ward, was actually written before him by Cruddace.

Furthermore, I vow to inhale less spraypaint in 2019.

by **Hurdergaryp** » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:05 am

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:Little do you realize that much of what people attribute to Ward, was actually written before him by Cruddace.

Furthermore, I vow to inhale less spraypaint in 2019.

So you're going to give in and finally get yourself a paint mask? Now that's something that wouldn't be a bad investment for me as well.

by **The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness** » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:18 am

I think it'd be a good idea, considering I've already inhaled spraypaint for two out of the three days of this year!

by **The Imperial Reach** » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:56 am

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:Little do you realize that much of what people attribute to Ward, was actually written before him by Cruddace.

Hey, where there's a Horus there's a fucking Lorgar.

by **Hirota** » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:30 am

So I've decided to get back into actually playing 40k. I've got to buy the actual models (which is looking like 800 quid!), but any thoughts on this list for my first 2k?

by **The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness** » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:33 am

I'm not into competitive play so can't really comment on the list itself, but I'll quickly throw it in there: don't buy everything in one go

by **Hirota** » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:02 am

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:I'm not into competitive play so can't really comment on the list itself, but I'll quickly throw it in there: don't buy everything in one go

Ha, but I want to be able to build myself a cardboard fort out of all the bits!

by **Impaled Nazarene** » Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:26 pm

The Imperial Reach wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:All hatred of the Smurfs comes from the Wardian Heresy really.

Hence why I said disregard all Wardian Heresy. He's a perfect example of how not to make something badass.

The first rule to writing about badassery is to not acknowledge badassery when it is shown, save for in the form of gawking onlookers. You can't just say they're badass; you have to show it through their actions, and such actions have to be believable within the grounds of reality established by whatever work they occur in. Ward fails to understand this and just throws them victory after victory while giving them a reach around. One thing a lot of writers fail to understand when writing badasses is that badassery =/= victory and badasses are allowed to lose every now and then in order to not look totally invincible. Ward's nepotism won't allow that, though, because in his mind Ultrasmurfs are the best and the best don't lose.

I still like them, though. They're still cool in spite of Ward's perversion of them as unstoppable, living gods while everybody else flounders and fumbles in comparison. Fuck Ward.

Kowani wrote:See, this is only half heretical. He likes the Ultramarines, but also likes the Raven Guard...perhaps your sentence will be lesser.

20 YEARS CONSCRIPTION INTO THE IMPERIAL GUARD!!!

I said to disregard Wardian Heresy.

What's really going for the Ultramarines is their pure stock keeping everything simple to start with, their near heretical un-involvment in the heresy leading to them being at near maximum strength. Then Guilliman being one of the finest leaders and inspirations keeping the legion comprised of good captains and later chapter masters. Then his codex reformation nonsense probably benefits them being full strength as it means the Ultramarines are likely the first to respond and their primarch's legacy means they're easy to associate with victory and success.

by **Chan Island** » Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:34 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
The Imperial Reach wrote:
Hence why I said disregard all Wardian Heresy. He's a perfect example of how not to make something badass.

The first rule to writing about badassery is to not acknowledge badassery when it is shown, save for in the form of gawking onlookers. You can't just say they're badass; you have to show it through their actions, and such actions have to be believable within the grounds of reality established by whatever work they occur in. Ward fails to understand this and just throws them victory after victory while giving them a reach around. One thing a lot of writers fail to understand when writing badasses is that badassery =/= victory and badasses are allowed to lose every now and then in order to not look totally invincible. Ward's nepotism won't allow that, though, because in his mind Ultrasmurfs are the best and the best don't lose.

I still like them, though. They're still cool in spite of Ward's perversion of them as unstoppable, living gods while everybody else flounders and fumbles in comparison. Fuck Ward.

I said to disregard Wardian Heresy.

What's really going for the Ultramarines is their pure stock keeping everything simple to start with, their near heretical un-involvment in the heresy leading to them being at near maximum strength. Then Guilliman being one of the finest leaders and inspirations keeping the legion comprised of good captains and later chapter masters. Then his codex reformation nonsense probably benefits them being full strength as it means the Ultramarines are likely the first to respond and their primarch's legacy means they're easy to associate with victory and success.

Well, the ultras got pretty beat up at Calth though. And, as happens so often in Ultramarine stories; rampaging armies bent only on destruction destroyed a bunch of stuff in Ultramar.

by **Impaled Nazarene** » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:13 pm

Chan Island wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:What's really going for the Ultramarines is their pure stock keeping everything simple to start with, their near heretical un-involvment in the heresy leading to them being at near maximum strength. Then Guilliman being one of the finest leaders and inspirations keeping the legion comprised of good captains and later chapter masters. Then his codex reformation nonsense probably benefits them being full strength as it means the Ultramarines are likely the first to respond and their primarch's legacy means they're easy to associate with victory and success.

Well, the ultras got pretty beat up at Calth though. And, as happens so often in Ultramarine stories; rampaging armies bent only on destruction destroyed a bunch of stuff in Ultramar.

Well it was against their Rival legion the Word Bearers (for some fucking reason) stands reason that a lot of things went wrong. That and the Ultramarines during the heresy were laughably weak in comparison to post heresy.

by **The Biggles Syndicate** » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:14 pm

Hirota wrote:
The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:I'm not into competitive play so can't really comment on the list itself, but I'll quickly throw it in there: don't buy everything in one go

Ha, but I want to be able to build myself a cardboard fort out of all the bits!

Are you fortifying this position?

You could also use the leftover boxes as terrain on your game board.

by **The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness** » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:15 pm

Hirota wrote:
The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:I'm not into competitive play so can't really comment on the list itself, but I'll quickly throw it in there: don't buy everything in one go

Ha, but I want to be able to build myself a cardboard fort out of all the bits!

It's mostly that for a lot of people all those things left to build and paint can work really demotivating rather than motivating, while finishing a unit and then allowing yourself to get a new shiny toy is much more exciting and motivating/rewarding!

by **Impaled Nazarene** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:52 am

Got to use a baneblade for the first time in dawn of war and holy shit I thought the land raider was badass. Sure a baneblade can't deploy surprise terminators but by the Emperor I LIKE MAKING THINGS GO BOOM.

Which reminds me I keep forgetting to mention how much I enjoy the Astartes near reverence for the Imperial Guard. Like the Guard could be doing an utter shit job and an Astartes captain will be like "these men and women are the true heroes".

by **The Huskar Social Union** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:54 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:Got to use a baneblade for the first time in dawn of war and holy shit I thought the land raider was badass. Sure a baneblade can't deploy surprise terminators but by the Emperor I LIKE MAKING THINGS GO BOOM.

Which reminds me I keep forgetting to mention how much I enjoy the Astartes near reverence for the Imperial Guard. Like the Guard could be doing an utter shit job and an Astartes captain will be like "these men and women are the true heroes".

Yeah Baneblade is pretty fucking good.

Which one are you playing? There is a space marine sergeant in DOW2 called Avitus who fucking hates the guard with a passion

by **Impaled Nazarene** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:17 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Got to use a baneblade for the first time in dawn of war and holy shit I thought the land raider was badass. Sure a baneblade can't deploy surprise terminators but by the Emperor I LIKE MAKING THINGS GO BOOM.

Which reminds me I keep forgetting to mention how much I enjoy the Astartes near reverence for the Imperial Guard. Like the Guard could be doing an utter shit job and an Astartes captain will be like "these men and women are the true heroes".

Yeah Baneblade is pretty fucking good.

Which one are you playing? There is a space marine sergeant in DOW2 called Avitus who fucking hates the guard with a passion

Dawn of War 1 (playing vanilla for the most part but Dark Crusade for skirmish to learn the factions and have more fun) is the only Dawn of War. Dawn of War 2 removed too many features and changed too much of the formula to be a true sequel, instead it is another series which happens to share the name of Dawn of War. Jokes aside I have not played DOW2 because I have not played a good base builder in forever. Even if it suffers from being on the Warcraft 3 engine which means NO ZOOMING OUT, NO SELECTING LARGE GROUPS OF UNITS, LOW SOLDIER CAPS well that last one is fine considering squad mechanics and the ability to increase the limit through various fair means.
As for the love of the guard it's also present in Space Marine and a few other things. Typically enough to be considered more or less canon.

by **The Huskar Social Union** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:21 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Yeah Baneblade is pretty fucking good.

Which one are you playing? There is a space marine sergeant in DOW2 called Avitus who fucking hates the guard with a passion

Dawn of War 1 (playing vanilla for the most part but Dark Crusade for skirmish to learn the factions and have more fun) is the only Dawn of War. Dawn of War 2 removed too many features and changed too much of the formula to be a true sequel, instead it is another series which happens to share the name of Dawn of War. Jokes aside I have not played DOW2 because I have not played a good base builder in forever. Even if it suffers from being on the Warcraft 3 engine which means NO ZOOMING OUT, NO SELECTING LARGE GROUPS OF UNITS, LOW SOLDIER CAPS well that last one is fine considering squad mechanics and the ability to increase the limit through various fair means.
As for the love of the guard it's also present in Space Marine and a few other things. Typically enough to be considered more or less canon.

Yeah its still dawn of war. Dawn of war never had a coherent thing to the series, each game was very different from one another.

Dawn of War 2 is very good imo, i like both quite a lot.

by **Balican** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:48 am

The Imperial Reach wrote:Welp, guess I'm the only one who unironically favors the Ultramarines (disregarding all Wardian heresy).

Salamanders and Raven Guard are pretty cool, too.

I liked them in 30k, and as a legion they are pretty cool. That obviously doesn't carry over in 40k proper though.

by **The Biggles Syndicate** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:37 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:Got to use a baneblade for the first time in dawn of war and holy shit I thought the land raider was badass. Sure a baneblade can't deploy surprise terminators but by the Emperor I LIKE MAKING THINGS GO BOOM.

Which reminds me I keep forgetting to mention how much I enjoy the Astartes near reverence for the Imperial Guard. Like the Guard could be doing an utter shit job and an Astartes captain will be like "these men and women are the true heroes".

IT IS THE BEEEIIIINNNBLLLLAAADDDDEEEE

by **Washington Resistance Army** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:42 am

The Biggles Syndicate wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Got to use a baneblade for the first time in dawn of war and holy shit I thought the land raider was badass. Sure a baneblade can't deploy surprise terminators but by the Emperor I LIKE MAKING THINGS GO BOOM.

Which reminds me I keep forgetting to mention how much I enjoy the Astartes near reverence for the Imperial Guard. Like the Guard could be doing an utter shit job and an Astartes captain will be like "these men and women are the true heroes".

IT IS THE BEEEIIIINNNBLLLLAAADDDDEEEE

BRUVA I AM PINNED HERE

by **The Huskar Social Union** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:44 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Biggles Syndicate wrote:IT IS THE BEEEIIIINNNBLLLLAAADDDDEEEE

BRUVA I AM PINNED HERE

THIS CHAOS LORD IS A FOOL

May the Emperor bless Keith Szarabajka

by **The Imperial Reach** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:16 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Biggles Syndicate wrote:IT IS THE BEEEIIIINNNBLLLLAAADDDDEEEE

BRUVA I AM PINNED HERE

WE ARE TEH SPESS MEHREENS

by **The Imperial Reach** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:20 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:Got to use a baneblade for the first time in dawn of war and holy shit I thought the land raider was badass. Sure a baneblade can't deploy surprise terminators but by the Emperor I LIKE MAKING THINGS GO BOOM.

Which reminds me I keep forgetting to mention how much I enjoy the Astartes near reverence for the Imperial Guard. Like the Guard could be doing an utter shit job and an Astartes captain will be like "these men and women are the true heroes".

Real Astartes respect the Guard for having the balls to go into battle against mechas, demons, elf ninjas, sorcerers, sadomasochists, bloodthirsty fungi, terminators, and giant bugs with nothing but cardboard armor and flashlight guns.

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