The Warhammer 40.000/Fantasy Discussion Thread Mk.II

[The Imperial Reach]

Actually, while on the topic of war-rifts:

If the Eye of Terror is sitting on the spot where the Eldar empire was, why is it so small? The elder were said to be super-powerful and dominant over all of the other races of the galaxy, so their imperial holdings should have been sprawled out across the entire galaxy, just like the Imperium's holdings are in both 40 and 42K.

And if, for argument's sake, the Eye only covers the core worlds of what was, in truth, a much larger empire, then why didn't any of the remaining planets try and reform the empire again? Or did all of them just suddenly decide they preferred to be exodites instead (in fairness, the eye of terror suddenly appearing would be a good reason to do so)?

Question:

So when the galaxy slowly rotates, do the Warp Rifts in it rotate in their respective positions with it or do the Warp Rifts remain in the same spot while only the galaxy rotates?

If it's the latter a lot of sectors are boned, that's for sure.

That suddenly then raises the question of if the Crone worlds even were the Eldar homeworlds in the first place.

My god- all of the people living on planets just to the galactic south of the eye are actually living on a bunch of planets that are just about to enter the eye! And all of the ones to the north of the eye are on planets that just popped out! D:

I wouldn't call the Eye of Terror "small"; it easily encompasses thousands, maybe millions of worlds. Besides the Eldar have never been ones to rely on size and numbers.

[Chan Island]

Actually, while on the topic of war-rifts:

If the Eye of Terror is sitting on the spot where the Eldar empire was, why is it so small? The elder were said to be super-powerful and dominant over all of the other races of the galaxy, so their imperial holdings should have been sprawled out across the entire galaxy, just like the Imperium's holdings are in both 40 and 42K.

And if, for argument's sake, the Eye only covers the core worlds of what was, in truth, a much larger empire, then why didn't any of the remaining planets try and reform the empire again? Or did all of them just suddenly decide they preferred to be exodites instead (in fairness, the eye of terror suddenly appearing would be a good reason to do so)?



That suddenly then raises the question of if the Crone worlds even were the Eldar homeworlds in the first place.

My god- all of the people living on planets just to the galactic south of the eye are actually living on a bunch of planets that are just about to enter the eye! And all of the ones to the north of the eye are on planets that just popped out! D:

I wouldn't call the Eye of Terror "small"; it easily encompasses thousands, maybe millions of worlds. Besides the Eldar have never been ones to rely on size and numbers.

Which then still leaves open the fact that the vast majority of the galaxy would not be covered by the Eldar empire (granted, even with several thousand worlds encompassed in the eye of terror zone), even when it was all-powerful.

[The Imperial Reach]

I wouldn't call the Eye of Terror "small"; it easily encompasses thousands, maybe millions of worlds. Besides the Eldar have never been ones to rely on size and numbers.

Which then still leaves open the fact that the vast majority of the galaxy would not be covered by the Eldar empire (granted, even with several thousand worlds encompassed in the eye of terror zone), even when it was all-powerful.

So what? Size doesn't equal power. The Eldar don't need to control half the galaxy in order to influence the other half. Just look at the amount of influence the USA has on the world, and it doesn't even control a quarter of it. The Webway kinda makes the need for a physical presence in a system redundant. If the Eldar weren't divided to such an extent as they are now, they'd probably be a more dangerous force to be reckoned with. Hence why the Ynnari are sort of a game-changer: if they can unite the Eldar across the galaxy into one entity, they'd be a pretty powerful menace to their enemies (which, lucky for the Imperium, wouldn't include humanity due to their little alliance-of-convenience brought about by the great Reasonable Marine himself, Robot Guillotine).

On an unrelated note: have the Eldar (any branch) or Chaos encountered Tyranids yet? I know the Tau, Necrons, Orks, and of course the Imperium have, but I've never heard anything about the other two. Not counting Dawn of War II, of course.

[The Biggles Syndicate]

Which then still leaves open the fact that the vast majority of the galaxy would not be covered by the Eldar empire (granted, even with several thousand worlds encompassed in the eye of terror zone), even when it was all-powerful.

So what? Size doesn't equal power. The Eldar don't need to control half the galaxy in order to influence the other half. Just look at the amount of influence the USA has on the world, and it doesn't even control a quarter of it. The Webway kinda makes the need for a physical presence in a system redundant. If the Eldar weren't divided to such an extent as they are now, they'd probably be a more dangerous force to be reckoned with. Hence why the Ynnari are sort of a game-changer: if they can unite the Eldar across the galaxy into one entity, they'd be a pretty powerful menace to their enemies (which, lucky for the Imperium, wouldn't include humanity due to their little alliance-of-convenience brought about by the great Reasonable Marine himself, Robot Guillotine).

On an unrelated note: have the Eldar (any branch) or Chaos encountered Tyranids yet? I know the Tau, Necrons, Orks, and of course the Imperium have, but I've never heard anything about the other two. Not counting Dawn of War II, of course.

Yes, such as this unfortunate Craftworld.
Chaos has encountered them too sometimes, though given the whole biomass and souls thing they tend to avoid each other.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Which then still leaves open the fact that the vast majority of the galaxy would not be covered by the Eldar empire (granted, even with several thousand worlds encompassed in the eye of terror zone), even when it was all-powerful.

So what? Size doesn't equal power. The Eldar don't need to control half the galaxy in order to influence the other half. Just look at the amount of influence the USA has on the world, and it doesn't even control a quarter of it. The Webway kinda makes the need for a physical presence in a system redundant. If the Eldar weren't divided to such an extent as they are now, they'd probably be a more dangerous force to be reckoned with. Hence why the Ynnari are sort of a game-changer: if they can unite the Eldar across the galaxy into one entity, they'd be a pretty powerful menace to their enemies (which, lucky for the Imperium, wouldn't include humanity due to their little alliance-of-convenience brought about by the great Reasonable Marine himself, Robot Guillotine).

An alliance of convenience doesn't mean their friends. In fact, it just means they're enemies that want to sort out the same trash.

Also

>Unironically using 1d4chan references

On an unrelated note: have the Eldar (any branch) or Chaos encountered Tyranids yet? I know the Tau, Necrons, Orks, and of course the Imperium have, but I've never heard anything about the other two. Not counting Dawn of War II, of course.

There are several incidents where the Eldar encountered Tyranids. The Tyranids have threatened Craftworlds on at least one occasion, one of which led to the destruction of the Craftworld Malan'Tai and the creation of the powerful zoanthrope the Doom of Malan'Tai.

[Chan Island]

Which then still leaves open the fact that the vast majority of the galaxy would not be covered by the Eldar empire (granted, even with several thousand worlds encompassed in the eye of terror zone), even when it was all-powerful.

So what? Size doesn't equal power. The Eldar don't need to control half the galaxy in order to influence the other half. Just look at the amount of influence the USA has on the world, and it doesn't even control a quarter of it. The Webway kinda makes the need for a physical presence in a system redundant. If the Eldar weren't divided to such an extent as they are now, they'd probably be a more dangerous force to be reckoned with. Hence why the Ynnari are sort of a game-changer: if they can unite the Eldar across the galaxy into one entity, they'd be a pretty powerful menace to their enemies (which, lucky for the Imperium, wouldn't include humanity due to their little alliance-of-convenience brought about by the great Reasonable Marine himself, Robot Guillotine).

On an unrelated note: have the Eldar (any branch) or Chaos encountered Tyranids yet? I know the Tau, Necrons, Orks, and of course the Imperium have, but I've never heard anything about the other two. Not counting Dawn of War II, of course.

So at this point I now have the mental image that the Eldar empire was like the USA while the current imperium is something more akin to Russia.

Tyranids for their part have encountered Chaos so often that they even made a specialised hive fleet for eating warp stuff.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hive_Fleet_Kronos

[The Imperial Reach]

So what? Size doesn't equal power. The Eldar don't need to control half the galaxy in order to influence the other half. Just look at the amount of influence the USA has on the world, and it doesn't even control a quarter of it. The Webway kinda makes the need for a physical presence in a system redundant. If the Eldar weren't divided to such an extent as they are now, they'd probably be a more dangerous force to be reckoned with. Hence why the Ynnari are sort of a game-changer: if they can unite the Eldar across the galaxy into one entity, they'd be a pretty powerful menace to their enemies (which, lucky for the Imperium, wouldn't include humanity due to their little alliance-of-convenience brought about by the great Reasonable Marine himself, Robot Guillotine).

On an unrelated note: have the Eldar (any branch) or Chaos encountered Tyranids yet? I know the Tau, Necrons, Orks, and of course the Imperium have, but I've never heard anything about the other two. Not counting Dawn of War II, of course.

So at this point I now have the mental image that the Eldar empire was like the USA while the current imperium is something more akin to Russia.

Tyranids for their part have encountered Chaos so often that they even made a specialised hive fleet for eating warp stuff.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hive_Fleet_Kronos

That allegory isn't too far off, actually.

So what? Size doesn't equal power. The Eldar don't need to control half the galaxy in order to influence the other half. Just look at the amount of influence the USA has on the world, and it doesn't even control a quarter of it. The Webway kinda makes the need for a physical presence in a system redundant. If the Eldar weren't divided to such an extent as they are now, they'd probably be a more dangerous force to be reckoned with. Hence why the Ynnari are sort of a game-changer: if they can unite the Eldar across the galaxy into one entity, they'd be a pretty powerful menace to their enemies (which, lucky for the Imperium, wouldn't include humanity due to their little alliance-of-convenience brought about by the great Reasonable Marine himself, Robot Guillotine).

On an unrelated note: have the Eldar (any branch) or Chaos encountered Tyranids yet? I know the Tau, Necrons, Orks, and of course the Imperium have, but I've never heard anything about the other two. Not counting Dawn of War II, of course.

Yes, such as this unfortunate Craftworld.
Chaos has encountered them too sometimes, though given the whole biomass and souls thing they tend to avoid each other.

Oh that's right, I forgot about Iyanden. Probably because nobody gives a fuck about Iyanden.

[The Biggles Syndicate]

Is The Devastation of Baal any good?
(no spoilers, please)

[Impaled Nazarene]

I think I finally came up with a name for my space marine chapter. How does The Resolute Storm sound?

[Ameriganastan]

I think I finally came up with a name for my space marine chapter. How does The Resolute Storm sound?

Sounds good to me.

[Chan Island]

I think I finally came up with a name for my space marine chapter. How does The Resolute Storm sound?

Now that's an Imperial Fists successor chapter name if I ever saw one.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I think I finally came up with a name for my space marine chapter. How does The Resolute Storm sound?

I like it. Even if you change the name to something else you should at least keep that name for a ship the chapter uses.

[The Biggles Syndicate]

I think I finally came up with a name for my space marine chapter. How does The Resolute Storm sound?

I like it. Even if you change the name to something else you should at least keep that name for a ship the chapter uses.

That does sound like a nice idea either way.


Hypothetical Scenario:
What if the Tau, once they've booted the Death Guard out and recover, decided to attack Ultramar as revenge for the Damocles Crusade?
Bonus: How many ulcers would Guilliman get as a result?

[Impaled Nazarene]

I think I finally came up with a name for my space marine chapter. How does The Resolute Storm sound?

Sounds good to me.

Thank you!

I think I finally came up with a name for my space marine chapter. How does The Resolute Storm sound?

Now that's an Imperial Fists successor chapter name if I ever saw one.

Ultramarines is what I rolled. Karma for shitting on them, but I have gained a lot of respect for them through research despite GW forcing them as Best Marines.

Speaking of the Imperial Fists I like to think that if not for the Space Smurfs being rammed into our torsos that the Fists would have been the "leading" chapter of the lore with their involvement in the Horus Heresy events and being some of the most solid Astartes ever conceived. Rogal being a meme and that yellow being what it is meant it would have never stuck sadly.

I think I finally came up with a name for my space marine chapter. How does The Resolute Storm sound?

I like it. Even if you change the name to something else you should at least keep that name for a ship the chapter uses.

Also a good idea!

The lore for the chapter is that they embody the integrity and reliability of the Ultramarines and despite being a divergent chapter they venerate their parent legion. This means sadly that the relationship is one way with the Ultramarines not being especially fond of the Resolute Storm.
A major difference between them is that the Resolute Storm are for the Emperor first through about twentieth. They celebrate Guilliman as their great hero and primary inspiration but they do not worship him or Big Daddy Calgar, with the whole "spiritual liege" thing being considered on the verge of heresy by some of the more animate leaders of the Resolute Storm.
They are a full strength chapter so my idea of decking them out in extra plasma weaponry does not work. Instead these marines rolled special vehicles and lightning strikes I'm trying to figure out a way to use their heavy vehicles as a rapid and devastating spearhead without ripping off the Scars shenanigans by stripping armour off their vehicles or using tin cans. As cool as it would be to have Predators and Land Raiders blitz an enemy it is not feasible without mutilating the designs.

Name: The Resolute Storm
Colors: Blue-purple and gold in honor of the Ultramarines
Heraldry: Three Skulls in an Inverted Triangle

Why Was The Chapter Founded? Crusade - "We need people running around and hitting the Imperium's enemies. Found a Chapter!"

When Was The Chapter Founded? 37th Millennium

Who was the Chapter's Progenitor? Ultramarines
Gene-seed purity: Pure - Same as progenitor in terms of purity, and will maintain close links with it
Chapter Demeanor: Suffer Not the Alien to Live
Based on the Chapter's Progenitor, how likely are they to suffer gene-seed mutation? 10%
If they have one, what mutation do they have? Oversensitive Occulobe
Figure of Legend: A Battle-Brother seconded from a previous generation Successor or even the First Founding Legion that provided the new Chapter’s gene-seed. Chapter Master
Deeds of Legend: The hero led a glorious campaign against a rebel army, defeating the foe and bringing an entire sector back into the light of the Emperor.
Chapter homeworld: Medieval World
Homeworld terrain: Desert
Rule of homeworld: Distant Rule
Chapter organization: Unique organization
Combat doctrine: Lightning Strike
Specialty restrictions: No Librarians
Special equipment: Special Vehicle: This Chapter prefers to ride into battle in more modern conveyances. While the traditional Space Marine vehicle is the Rhino, other Chapters may use more rare vehicles as primary transport.
What form do the Chapters' beliefs take? The Emperor Above All
At what strength is the Chapter? Nominal: The Chapter can field ten full companies, each with ten squads. In all likelihood most every squad consist of ten brethren and some specialized appointments may be empty, but the Chapter is regarded as fully fit for battle.
Who are your Chapter friendly with? Imperial Navy
Who are the Chapter's enemies? The Dark Eldar
Minor Xenos Species/Empires: Tarellians

Imagine this. You are in a late-autumn storm. The rain is freezing and the wind is so violent that the rain flies sideways. The thunder booms regularly and loudly. Garbage and debris are flying around hard enough to knock you over. Who knows how long the storm is going to last, you knew there was going to be a storm today, but this brutal and miserable? No one was expecting it. That is the Resolute Storm.
The rain is bolter fire, the thunder is drop pods smashing down and those huge guns of the Imperial Guard blasting away, the garbage and debris are the rubble and shrapnel being thrown around at lethal speeds from the explosions. That storm lasts until the enemies of the Imperium are shattered. They knew the Space Marines were coming but they were not expecting the Resolute Storm of The Empire.

If there was ever a bad day to be an Ork it would be today.

[Ameriganastan]

Ultramarines is what I rolled. Karma for shitting on them, but I have gained a lot of respect for them through research despite GW forcing them as Best Marines.

I rolled Ultramarines too...then I said fuck that and picked the White Scars.

[Crookfur]

The lore for the chapter is that they embody the integrity and reliability of the Ultramarines and despite being a divergent chapter they venerate their parent legion. This means sadly that the relationship is one way with the Ultramarines not being especially fond of the Resolute Storm.
A major difference between them is that the Resolute Storm are for the Emperor first through about twentieth. They celebrate Guilliman as their great hero and primary inspiration but they do not worship him or Big Daddy Calgar, with the whole "spiritual liege" thing being considered on the verge of heresy by some of the more animate leaders of the Resolute Storm.
They are a full strength chapter so my idea of decking them out in extra plasma weaponry does not work. Instead these marines rolled special vehicles and lightning strikes I'm trying to figure out a way to use their heavy vehicles as a rapid and devastating spearhead without ripping off the Scars shenanigans by stripping armour off their vehicles or using tin cans. As cool as it would be to have Predators and Land Raiders blitz an enemy it is not feasible without mutilating the designs.

Maybe focus on using razorbacks instead of plain rhinos?

[Kowani]

Ultramarines is what I rolled. Karma for shitting on them, but I have gained a lot of respect for them through research despite GW forcing them as Best Marines.

I rolled Ultramarines too...then I said fuck that and picked the White Scars.

Wh doesn't love Space Mongols?

[Ameriganastan]

I rolled Ultramarines too...then I said fuck that and picked the White Scars.

Wh doesn't love Space Mongols?

They're my 2nd favorite of the original chapters. Right behind the Blood Angels.

[Kowani]

Wh doesn't love Space Mongols?

They're my 2nd favorite of the original chapters. Right behind the Blood Angels.

Oooh, nice! I'm partial to the Raven Guard and the Night Lords myself, but the White Scars've always been one of the most fun. Blood Angels...meh. Not terrible, but not my favorite.

[Impaled Nazarene]

The lore for the chapter is that they embody the integrity and reliability of the Ultramarines and despite being a divergent chapter they venerate their parent legion. This means sadly that the relationship is one way with the Ultramarines not being especially fond of the Resolute Storm.
A major difference between them is that the Resolute Storm are for the Emperor first through about twentieth. They celebrate Guilliman as their great hero and primary inspiration but they do not worship him or Big Daddy Calgar, with the whole "spiritual liege" thing being considered on the verge of heresy by some of the more animate leaders of the Resolute Storm.
They are a full strength chapter so my idea of decking them out in extra plasma weaponry does not work. Instead these marines rolled special vehicles and lightning strikes I'm trying to figure out a way to use their heavy vehicles as a rapid and devastating spearhead without ripping off the Scars shenanigans by stripping armour off their vehicles or using tin cans. As cool as it would be to have Predators and Land Raiders blitz an enemy it is not feasible without mutilating the designs.

Maybe focus on using razorbacks instead of plain rhinos?

The Razorbacks are really cool but I'm thinking of slapping an artillery piece or a special tank cannon to it.

[Ameriganastan]

They're my 2nd favorite of the original chapters. Right behind the Blood Angels.

Oooh, nice! I'm partial to the Raven Guard and the Night Lords myself, but the White Scars've always been one of the most fun. Blood Angels...meh. Not terrible, but not my favorite.

I like them best for a couple reasons. Cause Sanguinius was the coolest Primarch, and how they went totally nucking futs during the Siege Of Terra. Feel him die, then they go all blood crazy and have them Chaos bitches running scared.

[Kowani]

Oooh, nice! I'm partial to the Raven Guard and the Night Lords myself, but the White Scars've always been one of the most fun. Blood Angels...meh. Not terrible, but not my favorite.

I like them best for a couple reasons. Cause Sanguinius was the coolest Primarch, and how they went totally nucking futs during the Siege Of Terra. Feel him die, then they go all blood crazy and have them Chaos bitches running scared.

That is fun. Plus, Sanguinius is a literal blood angel, so double ironic points for victory!

[Baltenstein]

I rolled Ultramarines too...then I said fuck that and picked the White Scars.

Wh doesn't love Space Mongols?

The Space Chinese, probably.

("Stupid Space Mongorians, stop breaking down my shitty warr!!!")

...wait, wasn't there actually a plot line where the White Scars fought againt the Tau?

[Morrdh]

Wh doesn't love Space Mongols?

The Space Chinese, probably.

("Stupid Space Mongorians, stop breaking down my shitty warr!!!")

...wait, wasn't there actually a plot line where the White Scars fought againt the Tau?

Theres the Rogue Trader novels set during the Damoclus Gulf Crusade that featured a White Scars sergeant IIRC.

[The Imperial Reach]

Welp, guess I'm the only one who unironically favors the Ultramarines (disregarding all Wardian heresy).

Salamanders and Raven Guard are pretty cool, too.