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Postby Ameriganastan » Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:27 pm

You think Ghaz would ever try and get Tuska The Daemon Killa to join his little retinue? I imagine that guy has to be the size of a goddamn building by now with all the fighting he's been doing.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:35 pm

Gothic armada is really hard geez. These escort missions are brutal. Those big Ork ships outrun everything. how do i protect a convoy if the enemy can run around everything? These orks put buccaneers to shame with their maneuverability.
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Postby Chan Island » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:49 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:You think Ghaz would ever try and get Tuska The Daemon Killa to join his little retinue? I imagine that guy has to be the size of a goddamn building by now with all the fighting he's been doing.


If Ghazghul ever got to where Tuska is, I doubt Ghaz would even want to get back to the rest of the galaxy over just having a grand old time bashing demons for all of the rest of time.
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Postby Balican » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:38 pm

Chan Island wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:You think Ghaz would ever try and get Tuska The Daemon Killa to join his little retinue? I imagine that guy has to be the size of a goddamn building by now with all the fighting he's been doing.


If Ghazghul ever got to where Tuska is, I doubt Ghaz would even want to get back to the rest of the galaxy over just having a grand old time bashing demons for all of the rest of time.

I don't know about that though. Ghazghkull is smart, like approaching Beast smart. He might be able to override his desire to "Krump da spikey gits!" in order to wage another great war. I don't think he would be able to get Tuska to come with him though.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:25 pm

Balican wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
If Ghazghul ever got to where Tuska is, I doubt Ghaz would even want to get back to the rest of the galaxy over just having a grand old time bashing demons for all of the rest of time.

I don't know about that though. Ghazghkull is smart, like approaching Beast smart. He might be able to override his desire to "Krump da spikey gits!" in order to wage another great war. I don't think he would be able to get Tuska to come with him though.

Just imagine if GW remembered their own lore and decided to reintroduce Krorks.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:38 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Balican wrote:I don't know about that though. Ghazghkull is smart, like approaching Beast smart. He might be able to override his desire to "Krump da spikey gits!" in order to wage another great war. I don't think he would be able to get Tuska to come with him though.

Just imagine if GW remembered their own lore and decided to reintroduce Krorks.


They likely will over the next few years, Ghaz is very much nearing that point. He'll be the Ork counter to the Primarchs.
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Postby The Biggles Syndicate » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:54 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:You think Ghaz would ever try and get Tuska The Daemon Killa to join his little retinue? I imagine that guy has to be the size of a goddamn building by now with all the fighting he's been doing.

Well, he has to find a way to get into the Eye of Terror first.
maybe that's what's taking him so long to get to Terra

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Impaled Nazarene wrote:Just imagine if GW remembered their own lore and decided to reintroduce Krorks.


They likely will over the next few years, Ghaz is very much nearing that point. He'll be the Ork counter to the Primarchs.

Imagine if there was a Battlefront-like 40k game (not counting Eternal Crusade), and there's a Vigilus map, with the heroes being G-Man or Calgar for the Imperium, and Ghazzy for the Orks. That'd be cool.

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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:40 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Just imagine if GW remembered their own lore and decided to reintroduce Krorks.


They likely will over the next few years, Ghaz is very much nearing that point. He'll be the Ork counter to the Primarchs.

Gaz is smart af but not Krork smart. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9mkXJpRBdI
Like I'm not sure Orks can re-evolve to Krork intelligence. If they did however the Space Marines should all just press a bolt pistol to their own heads and pull the trigger because there is no beating Krorks with all the collective experience they've gained as Orks.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:08 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
They likely will over the next few years, Ghaz is very much nearing that point. He'll be the Ork counter to the Primarchs.

Gaz is smart af but not Krork smart. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9mkXJpRBdI
Like I'm not sure Orks can re-evolve to Krork intelligence. If they did however the Space Marines should all just press a bolt pistol to their own heads and pull the trigger because there is no beating Krorks with all the collective experience they've gained as Orks.

Even if they don't ever get that smart, I still see them as the eventual winners of this little war. The Eldar can't reproduce fast enough, Humanity loses territory by the day, the Necrons barely have anyone left who isn't an idiot automaton anymore, the Tau are...the Tau. The only real threat to the Orks is the Nids.
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Postby Balican » Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:14 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Gaz is smart af but not Krork smart. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9mkXJpRBdI
Like I'm not sure Orks can re-evolve to Krork intelligence. If they did however the Space Marines should all just press a bolt pistol to their own heads and pull the trigger because there is no beating Krorks with all the collective experience they've gained as Orks.

Even if they don't ever get that smart, I still see them as the eventual winners of this little war. The Eldar can't reproduce fast enough, Humanity loses territory by the day, the Necrons barely have anyone left who isn't an idiot automaton anymore, the Tau are...the Tau. The only real threat to the Orks is the Nids.

Both races are, by design, hyper-adaptable. Tyranids probably have special forms designed for fighting orks by now, and orks probably have special weapons designed to work against nids. Ork psykers are also a loop-hole for the whole shadow in the warp thing that 'nids have.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:17 pm

Balican wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Even if they don't ever get that smart, I still see them as the eventual winners of this little war. The Eldar can't reproduce fast enough, Humanity loses territory by the day, the Necrons barely have anyone left who isn't an idiot automaton anymore, the Tau are...the Tau. The only real threat to the Orks is the Nids.

Both races are, by design, hyper-adaptable. Tyranids probably have special forms designed for fighting orks by now, and orks probably have special weapons designed to work against nids. Ork psykers are also a loop-hole for the whole shadow in the warp thing that 'nids have.

In the end the Orks would have adapted to destroy the Tyranids. Problem is the Orks don't survive to the end. They wouldn't have needed Slaanesh to genocide the Eldar given enough time the Orks would have handled it.
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Postby Balican » Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:21 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Balican wrote:Both races are, by design, hyper-adaptable. Tyranids probably have special forms designed for fighting orks by now, and orks probably have special weapons designed to work against nids. Ork psykers are also a loop-hole for the whole shadow in the warp thing that 'nids have.

In the end the Orks would have adapted to destroy the Tyranids. Problem is the Orks don't survive to the end. They wouldn't have needed Slaanesh to genocide the Eldar given enough time the Orks would have handled it.

The Eldar kept the Orks down, just like the Imperium did in it's earlier days. The orks now have virtually no threats other than the Tyranids. The Imperium is not about to launch a crusade into ork territory while they are fighting tyranids. Hell, they might even subly try to tip it in favor of the orks. If the orks win, most of their adaptations are worthless, and they just have to try to remove the warbosses that defeated the nids. If the nids win, after they engulf all of the ork biomass and DNA, nothing will ever be able to stop them.
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Postby The Imperial Reach » Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:31 am

Ameriganastan wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Gaz is smart af but not Krork smart. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9mkXJpRBdI
Like I'm not sure Orks can re-evolve to Krork intelligence. If they did however the Space Marines should all just press a bolt pistol to their own heads and pull the trigger because there is no beating Krorks with all the collective experience they've gained as Orks.

Even if they don't ever get that smart, I still see them as the eventual winners of this little war. The Eldar can't reproduce fast enough, Humanity loses territory by the day, the Necrons barely have anyone left who isn't an idiot automaton anymore, the Tau are...the Tau. The only real threat to the Orks is the Nids.


The Imperium can't lose though, they're the protagonists.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:32 am

The Imperial Reach wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Even if they don't ever get that smart, I still see them as the eventual winners of this little war. The Eldar can't reproduce fast enough, Humanity loses territory by the day, the Necrons barely have anyone left who isn't an idiot automaton anymore, the Tau are...the Tau. The only real threat to the Orks is the Nids.


The Imperium can't lose though, they're the protagonists.

The Imperium is only prolonging the inevitable if we are all honest. I doubt the lore will ever be pushed to that point, but they are fighting a million losing wars at once and it will kill them at some point.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:03 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
The Imperial Reach wrote:The Imperium can't lose though, they're the protagonists.

The Imperium is only prolonging the inevitable if we are all honest. I doubt the lore will ever be pushed to that point, but they are fighting a million losing wars at once and it will kill them at some point.

May take another few hundred centuries, though. The suggestion of cooperation with xenos interstellar empires being utter ultra-heresy, it is only logical to assume that the Imperium will sullenly plod on until the Corpse Emperor spontaneously implodes.


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Postby The Imperial Reach » Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:41 am

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The Imperial Reach wrote:
The Imperium can't lose though, they're the protagonists.

The Imperium is only prolonging the inevitable if we are all honest. I doubt the lore will ever be pushed to that point, but they are fighting a million losing wars at once and it will kill them at some point.


No, I don't think you understand. When I said they "can't" lose I meant they aren't allowed to lose.
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Postby Tethys 13 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:45 am

Back before the Necron retcon, my theory for if the never-gonna-happen end of 40k happens was:

- Tau get eaten/flayed/krumped/blammed
- Imperium, Eldar and Chaos all destroy each other in that final battle the Eldar have a prophecy about
- Orks vs 'Nids vs Necrons, Orks are vulnerable to 'Nids and Necrons are overpowered so Orks will probably go down first
- Necrons wipe out all the 'Nids inside the galaxy then go to sleep again
- More 'Nids come from outside the galaxy and eat everything but ignore the sleeping Necrons

Since the Retcron though, I don't know. Necrons are still fairly overpowered, but not as much as they once were.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:30 pm

Tethys 13 wrote:Back before the Necron retcon, my theory for if the never-gonna-happen end of 40k happens was:

- Tau get eaten/flayed/krumped/blammed
- Imperium, Eldar and Chaos all destroy each other in that final battle the Eldar have a prophecy about
- Orks vs 'Nids vs Necrons, Orks are vulnerable to 'Nids and Necrons are overpowered so Orks will probably go down first
- Necrons wipe out all the 'Nids inside the galaxy then go to sleep again
- More 'Nids come from outside the galaxy and eat everything but ignore the sleeping Necrons

Since the Retcron though, I don't know. Necrons are still fairly overpowered, but not as much as they once were.

Unless the Necrons have extremely efficient fungicide in storage, Orks will stubbornly and spontaneously return everywhere they once were.


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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:31 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Tethys 13 wrote:Back before the Necron retcon, my theory for if the never-gonna-happen end of 40k happens was:

- Tau get eaten/flayed/krumped/blammed
- Imperium, Eldar and Chaos all destroy each other in that final battle the Eldar have a prophecy about
- Orks vs 'Nids vs Necrons, Orks are vulnerable to 'Nids and Necrons are overpowered so Orks will probably go down first
- Necrons wipe out all the 'Nids inside the galaxy then go to sleep again
- More 'Nids come from outside the galaxy and eat everything but ignore the sleeping Necrons

Since the Retcron though, I don't know. Necrons are still fairly overpowered, but not as much as they once were.

Unless the Necrons have extremely efficient fungicide in storage, Orks will stubbornly and spontaneously return everywhere they once were.


The 'crons basic rifle breaks things down at an atomic level iirc, Orkz are no problem for them.
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Postby Tethys 13 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:53 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Unless the Necrons have extremely efficient fungicide in storage, Orks will stubbornly and spontaneously return everywhere they once were.


The 'crons basic rifle breaks things down at an atomic level iirc, Orkz are no problem for them.


And the 'nids eat everything, so Ork spores just mean more biomass for them.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:24 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j3QRl-Vuro
So i'm watching a video about Orks and their ability to make something happen through the sheer power of belief through numbers makes me wonder.
The Orks consider the Man-Emperor of Mankind as a tremendously power omnipresent War God and the Orks go as far as to respect him. Given the Orks ability is is possible that their belief in the Emperor as very strong contribute to the longevity of the Emperor on the Golden Throne?
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Postby Nova Colombian Confederation » Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:12 pm

so several days ago, i was looking though the galactic maps, some things called my attention
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Postby Ameriganastan » Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:40 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j3QRl-Vuro
So i'm watching a video about Orks and their ability to make something happen through the sheer power of belief through numbers makes me wonder.
The Orks consider the Man-Emperor of Mankind as a tremendously power omnipresent War God and the Orks go as far as to respect him. Given the Orks ability is is possible that their belief in the Emperor as very strong contribute to the longevity of the Emperor on the Golden Throne?

Eh, I don't think so. Sure, that may true for a guy like Yarick who regularly fights them. But Big E has been on the chair for a good ten-thousand years. I think his longevity is just him.
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Postby The Imperial Reach » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:17 pm

Nova Colombian Confederation wrote:so several days ago, i was looking though the galactic maps, some things called my attention


The Eye of Terror is smack dab right where the Ancient Eldar got freaky with rampant hedonism and sadomasochism; a.k.a., home sweet home. When Slaanesh was "born" it kinda fucked up their entire Empire, turning all their planets into either dead worlds or demon worlds and shattering the realspace inbetween them. Those two specific Craftworlds were the ones that had only recently departed when the Aeldari Civilization went kaput, so they got stuck in the Warp as a result.
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Postby The Biggles Syndicate » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:28 pm

Nova Colombian Confederation wrote:so several days ago, i was looking though the galactic maps, some things called my attention

Wait, a Hive Fleet attracted to a Dyson Sphere....
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