The Warhammer 40.000/Fantasy Discussion Thread Mk.II

[The Imperial Reach]

Are Necrons as OP on the table top as they are in Dawn of War? Because I just watched an AI Necron army completely obliterate three other AI armies at once with only three squads.

It was a simple Skirmish map, 3v3 - Me and two AIs against three AIs. Difficulty was only set to normal and armies were all randomized. I got Imperial Guard and my allies got Necrons and Tau, while the opposing armies were Eldar, Dark Eldar, and another Tau. Game has barely just started, so we're all at our weakest - even Necrons. They literally don't even have any combat squads out before they're under attack by two fully reinforced Guardian squads and a Farseer, yet luckily they get their Necron Lord out not long after. Following this comes in a Stealthsuit, followed by two fully reinforced Mandrake squads, another Stealthsuit, a Kroot Carnivore squad, a squad of Warriors, and finally the Tau Commander. Not an impressive force, but enough to swarm and destroy a player early game fairly easily or at best cripple him to the point he can't survive another attack. Necrons just laughed at this by pumping out two Necron Warrior squads - one of which wasn't reinforced at all and the other was only partially reinforced - to support their Necron Lord and proceeded to anally fuck the entire attacking army, all the while myself and our Tau ally weren't doing jack shit to help out.

So the AI managed to repulse 9 squads - four of which were fully reinforced - and 2 commanders with only 2 squads and a commander, and all they lost was a builder squad and a generator. The Necron Lord was at half health by the time it was over, and the half-reinforced Necron Warrior squad only lost 3 units.

It's not one of the Top 10 Anime Battles but I thought it was funny to watch all the same.

[Tethys 13]

Are Necrons as OP on the table top as they are in Dawn of War?

They've had their ups and downs. Necrons now are very, very different to how they were back when Dawn of War came out - they only had 1 troops choice back then, which was probably the best in the game (3+ armour, come back to life on a 4+, with a gun that could 1-shot even the toughest tanks if you got lucky enough, etc).
Now that unit has a 4+ save, comes back on a 5+, and the gun is just a better bolter, but they've become obscenely powerful in other ways (primarily Destroyers in my experience, since when they resurrect they do so at full wounds, they re-roll 1s to hit, they can move and fire their ridiculously powerful guns without a -1 to hit, they can fall back from combat and shoot in the same turn, etc)

[The Biggles Syndicate]

Okay, so if the Emperor needs to sit on the Golden Throne to keep the Webway Gate closed, then why doesn't the Imperium just turn off the gate?

[Lord Tothe]

Men of Iron are now as officially part of current 40K cannon as Squats.

[The Imperial Reach]

Okay, so if the Emperor needs to sit on the Golden Throne to keep the Webway Gate closed, then why doesn't the Imperium just turn off the gate?

Because Chaos fuckery has probably prevented that from being possible.

Men of Iron are now as officially part of current 40K cannon as Squats.

What happened?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Okay, so if the Emperor needs to sit on the Golden Throne to keep the Webway Gate closed, then why doesn't the Imperium just turn off the gate?

Because Chaos fuckery has probably prevented that from being possible.

Men of Iron are now as officially part of current 40K cannon as Squats.

What happened?

Men of Iron became as officially part of current 40K canon as the Squats.

[Crookfur]

Okay, so if the Emperor needs to sit on the Golden Throne to keep the Webway Gate closed, then why doesn't the Imperium just turn off the gate?

Because Chaos fuckery has probably prevented that from being possible.

Men of Iron are now as officially part of current 40K cannon as Squats.

What happened?

There is a man of iron in the warhammer quest: blackstone box.

[Trollgaard]

I need to get a few of the new ork buggies.

[Tethys 13]

I'm bored, so here's a brief review of the last two Black Library books I read. I've tried to avoid any spoilers, but just in case and to reduce the space this post takes up I've done them as such.

Watchers of the Throne: The Emperor's Legion by Chris Wraight
Good, with interesting well-developed characters, good exposition, and a wonderful interpretation of the Adeptus Custodes as not just emotionless bodyguards but the Emperor's advisors, and intellectuals rather than simply warriors. Artists, philosophers, scholars, artisans etc, true paragons of virtue, with an undercurrent of melancholy for how much they have lost in the ten thousand years that have tried to reduce them to mere emotionless bodyguards. The depiction of the Sisters of Silence is equally fascinating, the betrayal they felt, their anger at the Imperium that rejected them and their loyalty to the Emperor. The depiction of the High Lords meanwhile does its best to dispel the image of incompetence they have been targeted with, while also explaining how it came about.
My problem with it is that it feels too short. The build up is fine, but then it suddenly hurries to try to incorporate all the major events of Gathering Storm, leaving the latter half feeling rushed and the action scenes feeling dispassionate and incomplete.
On the whole though, a good read.

The Master of Mankind by Aaron Dembski-Bowden
Disappointing, especially after reading Emperor's Legion. The Emperor is a complete jerk. The Custodes are almost all complete jerks, the kind who are disgusted by humans and even more so by cripples, otherwise being pretty much nothing but emotionless bodyguards (with one notable exception). The Mechanicus are all jerks, including Kane, who was an awesome character back in Mechanicum but has become nothing but a jerk by this book, which is a shame, as previously I had been looking forward to listening to The Binary Succession, but if it covers Kane's transformation then I find myself somewhat dreading it instead. (Incidentally, my repeated use of 'jerk' as opposed to more varied and graphic descriptions is due to a personal disinclination towards profanity.) After reading this, I really hope Aaron Dembski-Bowden doesn't write the duel between Horus and the Emperor, at least not with the same attitude, as his version of the Emperor has no sense of parental affection at all, which would necessitate a drastic rewriting of the final duel. There are a couple of likeable minor characters in the book, but I won't spoil what happens to them.
Overall, I'd say read it if you are following the Horus Heresy series, but I hope it isn't indicative of the course the rest of the series will follow.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

I was interested in Watchers of the Throne, think I'll pick it up then, thanks!

[Maichuko]

Okay, so if the Emperor needs to sit on the Golden Throne to keep the Webway Gate closed, then why doesn't the Imperium just turn off the gate?

Because Chaos fuckery has probably prevented that from being possible.

Men of Iron are now as officially part of current 40K cannon as Squats.

What happened?

Theres a new board game coming out called Blackstone Fortress, and one of the characters is a Man of Iron masquerading as a Mechanicus Robot named UR-025.

[The Biggles Syndicate]

When you've successfully secured your dad's dream in Imperial Secundus but then the Ruinstorm dissipates

[Chan Island]

When you've successfully secured your dad's dream in Imperial Secundus but then the Ruinstorm dissipates

Nah that's the soundtrack of Angron. Just everything about Angron.

[Tethys 13]

Another couple of reviews. The first was a novella and the latter was a short story, so they were both over quickly, but otherwise I enjoyed them.

Huzzah! A new female author for Black Library! A good introductory hook into what will hopefully be a novel series, with interesting and deep-running implications for the lore of the Order of the Bloody Rose. The fight scenes suffered a bit from Brothers-of-the-Snake syndrome (trying to balance fighters who seem far too powerful by having one who doesn't seem like they should be there at all) but managed to resolve that towards the end of the book and the scenes were at least intense. I also appreciated the realistic depiction of the aftermath of warfare. The investigation section was greatly shrunk to make room for all the action, but then it is a novella, so that's expected.
Overall, an enjoyable read and hopefully the first of a new generation of Sisters of Battle novels (I recall from the Weekender that Danie mentioned working on a full novel for them, possibly to do with Hydraphur, which greatly excited me as a Shira Calpurnia fan)

Huzzah! A new female author for Black Library! Well, she had done some e-books, but I don't go for those, though this short story made me think about it. She's managed to create a Commissar who is far more of the standard pattern than Gaunt or Cain (which I was glad for, much as I love them I was thinking that if another not-really-a-Commissar Commissar character came out it'd be hard to keep calling them the outliers) and yet at the same time felt more human than Gaunt. Her relationship with the regiment, particularly with the character of the Storm Trooper Captain, thus perfectly captures the connection of living together and fighting alongside each other as well as the distance her role creates between them. Speaking of Gaunt, there are strong Gaunt's Ghosts parallels with Commissar Raine's regiment, with the celtic themes, exceptional stealth personnel etc, and Rachel's passion for folklore really comes through in the short story in a way that a historian like myself greatly appreciated.
Overall, a wonderful little story that makes me greatly look forward to reading Honourbound when it comes out.

[The Biggles Syndicate]

https://forums.focus-home.com/topic/310 ... -and-story

Apparently for the Tyranid campaign in BFG:A 2, the goal is to eat the whole galaxy and the different powers will try to stop you and change the narrative. I'm taking a guess at which fleet you play as.

MAIN TYRANID FLEET CONFIRMED BOIS
Reasoning:
. You are stated to have the power to eat the galaxy, but you take place after the 3 big fleets, and none of the smaller fleets can cover such an area
.The color patterns don't match up with any other known fleet
. The goal and proposed narrative

I could be wrong, but that's my guess. That, or you're helping it. I think if this is the main fleet, we'll see an alternate ending where the Tyranids win.

[Balican]

I started playing around with cloth purity seals instead of parchment.

They work so much better. I wish I would have done this earlier. (ignore the actual seal part, that is just a placeholder for now)

[Chan Island]

So what is everybody's opinion on Blackstone Fortress? Personally I'm loving the Rogue Trader (pimpy boiii) and the look of those chaos lost and damned (by themselves those chaos guardsmen make me consider getting it), but am not so keen on those weird spider things and the beastsmen are a bit silly in my opinion.

[Hurdergaryp]

So what is everybody's opinion on Blackstone Fortress? Personally I'm loving the Rogue Trader (pimpy boiii) and the look of those chaos lost and damned (by themselves those chaos guardsmen make me consider getting it), but am not so keen on those weird spider things and the beastsmen are a bit silly in my opinion.

Beastmen are classic characters, Beastmen even used to serve in the Imperial Guard.

[Hurdergaryp]

Somebody dumped a decent amount of WH40K artwork on Imgur, seemed like something worth sharing.

[Morrdh]

Walked past my local GW/Warhammer shop and posted a poster board about the Blackstone Fortress game, chiefly showing where in the galaxy its suppose to take place (Segmentum Pacificus).

Bunch of planets listed, including Urdesh....THE SABBAT WORLDS LIVE ON!!!!!

[The Imperial Reach]

Somebody dumped a decent amount of WH40K artwork on Imgur, seemed like something worth sharing.

OP apparently has a favorite faction, too. Or just really likes hot chicks in power armor (but then again: who doesn't?)

[Tethys 13]

Another review. If you want me to stop this, just say.

About as 'meh' as you could expect from something intended to ease people into the hobby. Nothing spectacular, but not terrible either. Very short. The only thing that stands out is the primary antagonist, who is a breath of fresh air after so many boring unlikeable jerk Chaos Lords (I know right, who'd have thought most Chaos worshippers were like that) by being a relatively chipper and cheerful sort, pretty smart, and who shows his opponents respect. The Eldar bit seemed too cliche, but then again that was probably the point since it is an intro book.
Overall: if I was just starting, I'd probably start a Death Guard army after reading it. After 16-odd years in the hobby though, it felt lacklustre.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So, thoughts on GW bringing at least one of the Men of Iron back? Cuz I think it's pretty cool.

[Tethys 13]

So, thoughts on GW bringing at least one of the Men of Iron back? Cuz I think it's pretty cool.

Share and Enjoy!

More seriously, I think it was a good idea. This was probably their best opportunity to do it, as a single-model-nod that fits the theme of the board game with no expectation of further release for an army or whatever.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Tbh I wouldn't mind a small Men of Iron faction cropping up over the next few years. I think you could do some interesting stuff with them, the Mechanicus and the 'crons.