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Are you picking up the new Shadowspear set?

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Postby Nova Colombian Confederation » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:03 pm

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Northern Davincia wrote:Inventors are at a bigger risk for corruption from Chaos.


I think he's referring more to past inventors from humanity's history; from before Chaos.

You get my point. But how inventors can be corrupted by Chaos?.
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Postby The Imperial Reach » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:43 pm

Nova Colombian Confederation wrote:
The Imperial Reach wrote:
I think he's referring more to past inventors from humanity's history; from before Chaos.

You get my point. But how inventors can be corrupted by Chaos?.


I can't really say much about the AdMech or their doctrine tbh as I'm not as familiar with them as the other factions.
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Postby The Biggles Syndicate » Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:31 am

Imperial Citizen: "Man, I feel bad for all those in Segmentum Solar. Thank the Emperor our colony is away from the Beast."

The Harlequin:

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The Imperial Reach wrote:I've encountered this event maybe 4 times and I've never lost - not even once. Even the one time when I had no skill-related options, I still won.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:20 am

The Imperial Reach wrote:

Brilliant.
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Postby Tethys 13 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:53 pm

The Biggles Syndicate wrote:Imperial Citizen: "Man, I feel bad for all those in Segmentum Solar. Thank the Emperor our colony is away from the Beast."

The Harlequin:


The Beast Arises series is awesome, but the only way that incident works is if those Harlequins were the most powerful of their kind.
Otherwise, two of them killing dozens of Custodes would just be silly.


Oh, that reminds me of a theory I've been working on - I think the Orks as a race shape themselves after the dominant civilisation in the galaxy. Thus, the Orks the Emperor fought were little more than animals, because of the massive decline the Galaxy had experienced and the main thing they fought probably being Daemons. Then we have Waaagh! Beast, which was like the Imperium at the height of the Great Crusade. Right now, at the end of the 41st Millenium, we've got Orks who don't hold a candle to Waaagh! Beast but still pose a significant threat, even if they haven't advanced in thousands of years - just like the Imperium.

It still needs work as a theory, but there is one detail that gave me the idea and is, I feel, a vital piece of evidence - the Orks predate mankind's evolution by a very long time, and have been fighting wars against Necrons and Eldar etc for the vast majority of their time in the Galaxy, with the time they've spent fighting Humans still comparatively young. So why is it that so much of their language is built on Gothic loan words? There's the theory I came up with to explain it, at least.
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Postby Baltenstein » Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:14 pm

Tethys 13 wrote:
The Biggles Syndicate wrote:Imperial Citizen: "Man, I feel bad for all those in Segmentum Solar. Thank the Emperor our colony is away from the Beast."

The Harlequin:


The Beast Arises series is awesome, but the only way that incident works is if those Harlequins were the most powerful of their kind.
Otherwise, two of them killing dozens of Custodes would just be silly.


Oh, that reminds me of a theory I've been working on - I think the Orks as a race shape themselves after the dominant civilisation in the galaxy. Thus, the Orks the Emperor fought were little more than animals, because of the massive decline the Galaxy had experienced and the main thing they fought probably being Daemons. Then we have Waaagh! Beast, which was like the Imperium at the height of the Great Crusade. Right now, at the end of the 41st Millenium, we've got Orks who don't hold a candle to Waaagh! Beast but still pose a significant threat, even if they haven't advanced in thousands of years - just like the Imperium.

It still needs work as a theory, but there is one detail that gave me the idea and is, I feel, a vital piece of evidence - the Orks predate mankind's evolution by a very long time, and have been fighting wars against Necrons and Eldar etc for the vast majority of their time in the Galaxy, with the time they've spent fighting Humans still comparatively young. So why is it that so much of their language is built on Gothic loan words? There's the theory I came up with to explain it, at least.


Do Orks really use English-derived words like "humie", "teef" or "boyz" literally, complete with faux-Cockney accent? I was always under the impression that their actual language is completely alien to human ears.
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Postby Chan Island » Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:53 pm

Baltenstein wrote:
Tethys 13 wrote:
The Beast Arises series is awesome, but the only way that incident works is if those Harlequins were the most powerful of their kind.
Otherwise, two of them killing dozens of Custodes would just be silly.


Oh, that reminds me of a theory I've been working on - I think the Orks as a race shape themselves after the dominant civilisation in the galaxy. Thus, the Orks the Emperor fought were little more than animals, because of the massive decline the Galaxy had experienced and the main thing they fought probably being Daemons. Then we have Waaagh! Beast, which was like the Imperium at the height of the Great Crusade. Right now, at the end of the 41st Millenium, we've got Orks who don't hold a candle to Waaagh! Beast but still pose a significant threat, even if they haven't advanced in thousands of years - just like the Imperium.

It still needs work as a theory, but there is one detail that gave me the idea and is, I feel, a vital piece of evidence - the Orks predate mankind's evolution by a very long time, and have been fighting wars against Necrons and Eldar etc for the vast majority of their time in the Galaxy, with the time they've spent fighting Humans still comparatively young. So why is it that so much of their language is built on Gothic loan words? There's the theory I came up with to explain it, at least.


Do Orks really use English-derived words like "humie", "teef" or "boyz" literally, complete with faux-Cockney accent? I was always under the impression that their actual language is completely alien to human ears.


It is. During the Beast series, the orks at one point send in an ambassador who speaks high gothic to the high lords. And the Imperium is completely stunned by both of these neigh-on inconceivable things.

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The Imperial Reach wrote:
I think he's referring more to past inventors from humanity's history; from before Chaos.

You get my point. But how inventors can be corrupted by Chaos?.


Inventors are often creative, curious people who seek knowledge for the sake of it. Given enough time, almost everyone with that sort of inclination eventually finds out about the creatures that live in their universe's warp, including the chaos gods. Considering the power they could give to an inventor (especially Tzeench), it would be almost inevitable that they would find themselves making deals, giving inches and accepting ideas from the demonic entities... to catastrophic result for everyone else.
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Postby Tethys 13 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:43 pm

Chan Island wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
Do Orks really use English-derived words like "humie", "teef" or "boyz" literally, complete with faux-Cockney accent? I was always under the impression that their actual language is completely alien to human ears.


It is. During the Beast series, the orks at one point send in an ambassador who speaks high gothic to the high lords. And the Imperium is completely stunned by both of these neigh-on inconceivable things.


According to the Ciaphas Cain series, Orks really do call their weapons "Shootas" etc due to Gothic language influences. It also mentions an Orkish language, but apparently that's primarily composed of swearing and blows to the head.
Then there's things like the Ork Cruiser "Ardenuff" which supposedly means "Battle-ready" in Orkish, and its derivation is obvious.

However, it'd fit my theory if they only started adopting Gothic loan-words after Ullanor, which fits with it being unheard of before Waaagh! Beast.
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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:20 am

Chan Island wrote:
It is. During the Beast series, the orks at one point send in an ambassador who speaks high gothic to the high lords. And the Imperium is completely stunned by both of these neigh-on inconceivable things.


That't my point - the fact that the Ork ambassador speaks a human language is shocking to them. This would imply that the Orks' actual language which they speak among themselves is completely different.

According to the Ciaphas Cain series, Orks really do call their weapons "Shootas" etc due to Gothic language influences. It also mentions an Orkish language, but apparently that's primarily composed of swearing and blows to the head.


I've read the Ciaphas Cain book in question but to be fair I don't think the Ciaphas Cain series in general isn't the most valid of sources.
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Postby The Imperial Reach » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:31 am

Tethys 13 wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
It is. During the Beast series, the orks at one point send in an ambassador who speaks high gothic to the high lords. And the Imperium is completely stunned by both of these neigh-on inconceivable things.


According to the Ciaphas Cain series, Orks really do call their weapons "Shootas" etc due to Gothic language influences. It also mentions an Orkish language, but apparently that's primarily composed of swearing and blows to the head.
Then there's things like the Ork Cruiser "Ardenuff" which supposedly means "Battle-ready" in Orkish, and its derivation is obvious.

However, it'd fit my theory if they only started adopting Gothic loan-words after Ullanor, which fits with it being unheard of before Waaagh! Beast.


I'm pretty sure it was guttural bellowing, not swearing.
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Beat you to it :lol:
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Postby The Biggles Syndicate » Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:39 am


Neat.

I bet you Guilliman was watching this aboard Macragge's Honour just to drown out Cato Sicarius's egotastical singing when he was flying back to Ultramar.

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Postby Isvataan » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:32 pm

Does anyone know about the missing primarchs or is that still remain to be a mystery

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:23 am

Isvataan wrote:Does anyone know about the missing primarchs or is that still remain to be a mystery

Mystery, probably will always stay that way.

Which i think is good.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:41 am

Isvataan wrote:Does anyone know about the missing primarchs or is that still remain to be a mystery

Well, where did you last see them before they went missing?


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Postby Maichuko » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:40 am

Isvataan wrote:Does anyone know about the missing primarchs or is that still remain to be a mystery

The II primarchs name is about as long as Alpharius, XI's name is about as long as Magnus the red. Some sort of genetic failure occurred, because Guilliman lists them as failures, and the other Nine as traitors. One of them encountered a Necron monument at some point.
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Postby The Imperial Reach » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:53 am

Maichuko wrote:
Isvataan wrote:Does anyone know about the missing primarchs or is that still remain to be a mystery

The II primarchs name is about as long as Alpharius, XI's name is about as long as Magnus the red. Some sort of genetic failure occurred, because Guilliman lists them as failures, and the other Nine as traitors. One of them encountered a Necron monument at some point.


Also, at least one got NOM'd by the Space Corgis.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:57 am

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Postby The Imperial Reach » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:21 am

Does the Internet still exist in the 40k universe?
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Postby Ameriganastan » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:37 am

The Imperial Reach wrote:Does the Internet still exist in the 40k universe?

I doubt it. If it did, I imagine the average citizen wouldn't be allowed to use it.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:02 pm

The Imperial Reach wrote:Does the Internet still exist in the 40k universe?

Maybe on some worlds.
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Postby Nova Colombian Confederation » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:03 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
The Imperial Reach wrote:Does the Internet still exist in the 40k universe?

I doubt it. If it did, I imagine the average citizen wouldn't be allowed to use it.

That reminds me of a worldbuilding thingy that i saw. Chaos could use it as a tool to screw the Imperium up, cursed images could be a serious problem, and don't get me started on 40k's Youtube.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:05 pm

Nova Colombian Confederation wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:I doubt it. If it did, I imagine the average citizen wouldn't be allowed to use it.

That reminds me of a worldbuilding thingy that i saw. Chaos could use it as a tool to screw the Imperium up, cursed images could be a serious problem.

Fact: The Emperor commissioned several rogue traders whose sole job was to explore the internet for rare Pepes.
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