The Warhammer 40.000/Fantasy Discussion Thread Mk.II

[Ameriganastan]

say the phrase "greater good" and oppose the ideology of "fascists" one time and you are permanently commie.

What does that make the Orks, then? Anarchists?

I don't think they're quite that. Yeah, they're a group of fight happy lunatics who only care about war. But they have clans and leaders and even a form of currency. Doesn't sound like anarchists.

[Baltenstein]

Also, Orks follow a stricty enforced "Might makes Right" ideology which isn't very anarchist either. Basically, they adhere to an extremely successful form of chieftainism.

[Impaled Nazarene]

What even is the state of the Necron and C'tan lore right now? I am quite unsure of what any of that is anymore.

[Hurdergaryp]

What does that make the Orks, then? Anarchists?

I don't think they're quite that. Yeah, they're a group of fight happy lunatics who only care about war. But they have clans and leaders and even a form of currency. Doesn't sound like anarchists.

Indeed, with the Orks it's more a matter of permanent interstellar Mad Max-style mayhem.

[Trollgaard]

Also, Orks follow a stricty enforced "Might makes Right" ideology which isn't very anarchist either. Basically, they adhere to an extremely successful form of chieftainism.

Excellent way of putting it!

[The Great Swedish Empire]

I always felt it a bit silly when the IG charge a well-defended position with just bayonets and chainswords to just get slaughtered. I know it's grimdark to the max but it really takes me out of it as I cannot think of a single commander that could even think that was

[The Huskar Social Union]

I always felt it a bit silly when the IG charge a well-defended position with just bayonets and chainswords to just get slaughtered. I know it's grimdark to the max but it really takes me out of it as I cannot think of a single commander that could even think that was

IG do use artillery, air support and tanks a lot of the time too.

[The Great Swedish Empire]

I always felt it a bit silly when the IG charge a well-defended position with just bayonets and chainswords to just get slaughtered. I know it's grimdark to the max but it really takes me out of it as I cannot think of a single commander that could even think that was

IG do use artillery, air support and tanks a lot of the time too.

But the times that they do in unsupported really takes me out of it. Chaos I could understand doing this suicidal shit but the IG? Where they have semi-sane commanders?

An example being vraks. I know that the death Korps are super fanatical but there is a diff between sacrifice and suicide and only one benefits the Emperor.

[Impaled Nazarene]

IG do use artillery, air support and tanks a lot of the time too.

But the times that they do in unsupported really takes me out of it. Chaos I could understand doing this suicidal shit but the IG? Where they have semi-sane commanders?

An example being vraks. I know that the death Korps are super fanatical but there is a diff between sacrifice and suicide and only one benefits the Emperor.

It's mostly PDF and weaker guard units that do that. Most reliable guard units use combined assaults.
You gotta remember the Imperium follows Patton's Doctrine "Nobody ever defended anything successfully, there is only attack and attack and attack some more."

[Baltenstein]

I always felt it a bit silly when the IG charge a well-defended position with just bayonets and chainswords to just get slaughtered. I know it's grimdark to the max but it really takes me out of it as I cannot think of a single commander that could even think that was

Commander Kubrik Chenkov always gets the job done:

On a more serious note, as others have said, only particular regiments are notorious for these sort of human wave tactics. Another thing to consider is that human lifes are the one resource the Imperium has in abundance. Many commanders will figure that losing, for example, 10-20 guardsmen to an enemy lascannon shot will be a good trade-off, as it means the enemy has one less las lascannon charge.

[Chan Island]

I always felt it a bit silly when the IG charge a well-defended position with just bayonets and chainswords to just get slaughtered. I know it's grimdark to the max but it really takes me out of it as I cannot think of a single commander that could even think that was

On top of what everyone is saying, you should also remember that the tanks and artillery troops are literally responsible for a totally different chain of command than the infantry. Combined assaults only happen when everyone sets aside their own egos and work together for the common good.

That's a deliberate measure put in after the Horus Heresy, to make sure that no one formation or commander turning to Chaos could do all that much damage.

[Vassenor]

>Seven million dead, one survivor

Not great, but not terrible.

[Crookfur]

There is also they way regiments are raised.
If you are in the PDF of a not particularly industrialised world/system and you are close to a system that needs forces yesterday you had better hope there is a forge world you can stop at on the way when the "gib regiments nao!" request arrives.

[Baltenstein]

Consider also that the Imperium, as cynical as this sounds, needs to sacrifice a certain amount of its troops to keep itself stable. Hive worlds have populations numbering in the hundreds of billions. If they didn't constantly draft millions of their citizens and send them off-planet, they would soon collapse into Chaos (in all senses of the word; many hive worlds are at the brink of collapse already). The Administratum in turn has no idea how many trillions of men and women serve in the Guard but they know they can't keep them all fed, clothed and taken care of indefinitely either. So feeding the soldiery into the countless meat grinders of war that are threatening the Imperium from all sides is considered a viable long term solution not only because you need to have people fighting off the enemies of humanity, but because you also need people to not be a drain on the Emperor's precious resources.

[Chan Island]

Consider also that the Imperium, as cynical as this sounds, needs to sacrifice a certain amount of its troops to keep itself stable. Hive worlds have populations numbering in the hundreds of billions. If they didn't constantly draft millions of their citizens and send them off-planet, they would soon collapse into Chaos (in all senses of the word; many hive worlds are at the brink of collapse already). The Administratum in turn has no idea how many trillions of men and women serve in the Guard but they know they can't keep them all fed, clothed and taken care of indefinitely either. So feeding the soldiery into the countless meat grinders of war that are threatening the Imperium from all sides is considered a viable long term solution not only because you need to have people fighting off the enemies of humanity, but because you also need people to not be a drain on the Emperor's precious resources.

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Considering that the galaxy has already been explored by the time of 40k, that guardsman is too late to explore that too.

So dying for the emperor it is then!

[Morrdh]

Consider also that the Imperium, as cynical as this sounds, needs to sacrifice a certain amount of its troops to keep itself stable. Hive worlds have populations numbering in the hundreds of billions. If they didn't constantly draft millions of their citizens and send them off-planet, they would soon collapse into Chaos (in all senses of the word; many hive worlds are at the brink of collapse already). The Administratum in turn has no idea how many trillions of men and women serve in the Guard but they know they can't keep them all fed, clothed and taken care of indefinitely either. So feeding the soldiery into the countless meat grinders of war that are threatening the Imperium from all sides is considered a viable long term solution not only because you need to have people fighting off the enemies of humanity, but because you also need people to not be a drain on the Emperor's precious resources.

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Considering that the galaxy has already been explored by the time of 40k, that guardsman is too late to explore that too.

So dying for the emperor it is then!

Actually, there is still alot of unknown space out....otherwise we wouldn't have the Rogue Traders.

[Crookfur]

Or admech exploritor fleets or mysterious marine chapters that appear and disappear randomly.

[Chan Island]

Considering that the galaxy has already been explored by the time of 40k, that guardsman is too late to explore that too.

So dying for the emperor it is then!

Actually, there is still alot of unknown space out....otherwise we wouldn't have the Rogue Traders.

Or admech exploritor fleets or mysterious marine chapters that appear and disappear randomly.

Which... actually means that Guardsman is born in exactly the right time to be exploring the galaxy.

He is just choosing to fight and die for the Emperor instead. Which is of course the correct choice for any loyal servant of the Imperium.

[Hurdergaryp]

Actually, there is still alot of unknown space out....otherwise we wouldn't have the Rogue Traders.

Or admech exploritor fleets or mysterious marine chapters that appear and disappear randomly.

Which... actually means that Guardsman is born in exactly the right time to be exploring the galaxy.

He is just choosing to fight and die for the Emperor instead. Which is of course the correct choice for any loyal servant of the Imperium.

Any true citizen of the Imperium would happily volunteer for the Imperial Guard and use his or her body as a meat shield to be shredded apart by hostile xenos warmachines.

[The Great Swedish Empire]

I just finished the founding omnibus. I find it strange that Gaunt hooks up with Merity Chass. I always imagined that all his love and dedication is to the Imperuim and the Imperuim only.

[Hurdergaryp]

I just finished the founding omnibus. I find it strange that Gaunt hooks up with Merity Chass. I always imagined that all his love and dedication is to the Imperuim and the Imperuim only.

Chaos corrupts in mysterious ways.

[The Great Swedish Empire]

I just finished the founding omnibus. I find it strange that Gaunt hooks up with Merity Chass. I always imagined that all his love and dedication is to the Imperuim and the Imperuim only.

Chaos corrupts in mysterious ways.

I know it's to make him more human but I kinda liked it when the only reason he still lives and fights on his is unbreakable will and his love for the Imperium and it's people.

[Morrdh]

Chaos corrupts in mysterious ways.

I know it's to make him more human but I kinda liked it when the only reason he still lives and fights on his is unbreakable will and his love for the Imperium and it's people.

It wouldn't be 40K Sharpe without a string of women along the way.

[Baltenstein]

Which... actually means that Guardsman is born in exactly the right time to be exploring the galaxy.

He is just choosing to fight and die for the Emperor instead. Which is of course the correct choice for any loyal servant of the Imperium.

Any true citizen of the Imperium would happily volunteer for the Imperial Guard and use his or her body as a meat shield to be shredded apart by hostile xenos warmachines.

The Imperial Guardsman.

> eagerly enlists, ready to defend Mankind and win glory for the Emprah
> dies screaming while being ripped apart by chittering hordes on some nameless space rock somewhere

Such is life in the Guard

[Holy Marsh]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/pre ... tv-series/

Very interesting.