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Are you picking up the new Shadowspear set?

Yes, I am, or I already have it!
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15%
I'm still on the fence.
14
54%
No, I'm not interested in the set / the armies in it.
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Total votes : 26

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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:37 am

Yeah the new standard Chaos Marines look sick. 100% compatible with Horus Heresy and current Space Marine/Chaos Space Marine kits as well when it comes to shoulders and heads, at least. Very tempted to pick some up when they release.
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Postby Guardians of the Holy Bowling Alley » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:24 pm

So I'm back after receiving and playing the Horus Heresy board game that Fantasy Flight made. After three games, I can honestly say its pretty good. My copy, despite being used, was in excellent shape all around.

I wish I had someone to play with other than myself though. Maybe then I could actually see a different outcome, because so far the Imperium has won all three games. Granted, I made a HUGE mistake as Chaos on the third game.
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Postby The Imperial Reach » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:34 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
The Imperial Reach wrote:The Emperor frowns upon such heretical notions.

Because if there's one thing the Imperium is known for, it's the absolutely unrestricted free trade of goods and services, utterly unhindered by the vast bureaucracy and rigid dogmas so common in the realm of Man.


You're right, the Emperor is very clearly a Socialist.

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:46 pm

The Imperial Reach wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Because if there's one thing the Imperium is known for, it's the absolutely unrestricted free trade of goods and services, utterly unhindered by the vast bureaucracy and rigid dogmas so common in the realm of Man.

You're right, the Emperor is very clearly a Socialist.

/s

Not likely, but the Imperium is not exactly libertarian either. Not paying your taxes is undoubtedly considered heresy.


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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:20 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
The Imperial Reach wrote:You're right, the Emperor is very clearly a Socialist.

/s

Not likely, but the Imperium is not exactly libertarian either. Not paying your taxes is undoubtedly considered heresy.

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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:36 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Not likely, but the Imperium is not exactly libertarian either. Not paying your taxes is undoubtedly considered heresy.

It ain't easy servin' the Emperor.

The best way to serve the Emperor is getting easily manipulated by Tzeentch and destroying the webway project thus dooming the golden age of the empire.
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Postby Chan Island » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:55 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:New multi part chaos marines:



I think the real story is... magazines and clips are definitely, never, ever, heretical.
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Postby The Imperial Reach » Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:59 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
The Imperial Reach wrote:You're right, the Emperor is very clearly a Socialist.

/s

Not likely, but the Imperium is not exactly libertarian either. Not paying your taxes is undoubtedly considered heresy.


Libertarianism =/= Capitalism
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Postby Herador » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:39 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
The Imperial Reach wrote:You're right, the Emperor is very clearly a Socialist.

/s

Not likely, but the Imperium is not exactly libertarian either. Not paying your taxes is undoubtedly considered heresy.

If someone can quote me Imperial tax code that doesn't involve paying your man-tax, I'll send you a surprise in the mail.

Emp's politics seemed to be "fuk you, gib loyalty" and the Imperium after him seemed to be "fuk you, gib conscripts", so either way you cut it I think neither would appeal to right or left extreme or otherwise. I mean, I think we can all agree they violate the NAP.

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Hurdergaryp wrote:Not likely, but the Imperium is not exactly libertarian either. Not paying your taxes is undoubtedly considered heresy.


Libertarianism =/= Capitalism

The two lose their distinction when you compare them to an entity that is so massively bureaucratic and tax focused that it's considered a religious offense to fuck with either. Sheet, one of the Imperial Knight novels has it's main plot kick off because some dude decided to say "no" to the tax man and got his planet invaded.
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Postby Baltenstein » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:54 am

Simply put, there are four big conditions that a planetary government whose world is part of the Imperium absolutely has to fulfill and which are non-negotiable on the Imperium's part:

1.) Pay your regular tithes (be they financial payments, goods/resources and/or new recruits for the IG)
2.) Honor the Imperial Creed (how strictly this one is enforced is up to how much sway the Adeptus Ministorum has in that particular system)
3.) Don't get cozy with Xenos
4.) Keep tabs on your psyker population and report them to the Inquisition

Beyound that, there really aren't many regulations on the cultural, financial and political governance of an Imperial world. One can imagine planets run by socialist communes, Fascist military juntas, hyper-libertarian corporate paradises and centrist multi-party parliamentary systems. The Imperium is fairly laissez-faire in that regard.
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Postby Baltenstein » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:58 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:New multi part chaos marines:



I like the poses, but not sure about the new heads/helmet. Their exaggeratedly evil/demonic looking visages seem to be a throwback to the old 2nd Edi CSM.

I like the dude who is holding his ammo belt with one hand in particular though. Seems like the sort of rad weapon usage you'd never see an Ultramarine do.

Also I'm wondering, Are those OldMarine-sized or Primaris-sized?
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Postby Crookfur » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:35 am

Baltenstein wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:New multi part chaos marines:



I like the poses, but not sure about the new heads/helmet. Their exaggeratedly evil/demonic looking visages seem to be a throwback to the old 2nd Edi CSM.

I like the dude who is holding his ammo belt with one hand in particular though. Seems like the sort of rad weapon usage you'd never see an Ultramarine do.

Also I'm wondering, Are those OldMarine-sized or Primaris-sized?

Given the interchangeability mentioned previously I would guess old marine Size or at least close to it in certain areas.
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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:43 am

Baltenstein wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:New multi part chaos marines:



I like the poses, but not sure about the new heads/helmet. Their exaggeratedly evil/demonic looking visages seem to be a throwback to the old 2nd Edi CSM.

I like the dude who is holding his ammo belt with one hand in particular though. Seems like the sort of rad weapon usage you'd never see an Ultramarine do.

Also I'm wondering, Are those OldMarine-sized or Primaris-sized?

In between, like the new Death Guard and Thousand Sons models, I reckon.

Primaris Marines can still use regular Marine heads and shoulders as well. These guys aren't that size (saw the Shadowspear ones in store today together with the Vanguard Primaris) but they're definitely bigger than the old ones as well.
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:46 am

For some reason, I'm curious as to Primaris Diomedes; if/when he gets a tabletop representation, what would his abilities be...?
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Postby Baltenstein » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:02 am

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
I like the poses, but not sure about the new heads/helmet. Their exaggeratedly evil/demonic looking visages seem to be a throwback to the old 2nd Edi CSM.

I like the dude who is holding his ammo belt with one hand in particular though. Seems like the sort of rad weapon usage you'd never see an Ultramarine do.

Also I'm wondering, Are those OldMarine-sized or Primaris-sized?

In between, like the new Death Guard and Thousand Sons models, I reckon.

Primaris Marines can still use regular Marine heads and shoulders as well. These guys aren't that size (saw the Shadowspear ones in store today together with the Vanguard Primaris) but they're definitely bigger than the old ones as well.


Found a comparison picture with the Blackstone Fortress CSM:

Image


I assume the new regular CSM are the same size as him.
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Postby Guardians of the Holy Bowling Alley » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:34 pm

Baltenstein wrote:Simply put, there are four big conditions that a planetary government whose world is part of the Imperium absolutely has to fulfill and which are non-negotiable on the Imperium's part:

1.) Pay your regular tithes (be they financial payments, goods/resources and/or new recruits for the IG)
2.) Honor the Imperial Creed (how strictly this one is enforced is up to how much sway the Adeptus Ministorum has in that particular system)
3.) Don't get cozy with Xenos
4.) Keep tabs on your psyker population and report them to the Inquisition

Beyound that, there really aren't many regulations on the cultural, financial and political governance of an Imperial world. One can imagine planets run by socialist communes, Fascist military juntas, hyper-libertarian corporate paradises and centrist multi-party parliamentary systems. The Imperium is fairly laissez-faire in that regard.


Well it seems to me that the Imperium would probably be much more centralized and totalitarian if it could actually manage it. In practice, its not really a viable option due to the extreme size of the Imperium and the unreliability as well as immense time it can often take for interplanetary communication/travel. In a sense, it is kind of like the late Roman Empire (which is almost certainly not a coincidence).
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Postby The Imperial Reach » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:06 am

Guardians of the Holy Bowling Alley wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:Simply put, there are four big conditions that a planetary government whose world is part of the Imperium absolutely has to fulfill and which are non-negotiable on the Imperium's part:

1.) Pay your regular tithes (be they financial payments, goods/resources and/or new recruits for the IG)
2.) Honor the Imperial Creed (how strictly this one is enforced is up to how much sway the Adeptus Ministorum has in that particular system)
3.) Don't get cozy with Xenos
4.) Keep tabs on your psyker population and report them to the Inquisition

Beyound that, there really aren't many regulations on the cultural, financial and political governance of an Imperial world. One can imagine planets run by socialist communes, Fascist military juntas, hyper-libertarian corporate paradises and centrist multi-party parliamentary systems. The Imperium is fairly laissez-faire in that regard.


Well it seems to me that the Imperium would probably be much more centralized and totalitarian if it could actually manage it. In practice, its not really a viable option due to the extreme size of the Imperium and the unreliability as well as immense time it can often take for interplanetary communication/travel. In a sense, it is kind of like the late Roman Empire (which is almost certainly not a coincidence).


But that would mean Holy Terra is the city of Rome and is thus on the verge of being sacked by invaders from the nor-

Oh.
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Postby The Imperial Reach » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:08 am

Guilliman confirmed for Syagrius, I guess. Or maybe Zeno?
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The Imperial Reach wrote:I've encountered this event maybe 4 times and I've never lost - not even once. Even the one time when I had no skill-related options, I still won.

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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:16 am

The Imperial Reach wrote:
Guardians of the Holy Bowling Alley wrote:
Well it seems to me that the Imperium would probably be much more centralized and totalitarian if it could actually manage it. In practice, its not really a viable option due to the extreme size of the Imperium and the unreliability as well as immense time it can often take for interplanetary communication/travel. In a sense, it is kind of like the late Roman Empire (which is almost certainly not a coincidence).


But that would mean Holy Terra is the city of Rome and is thus on the verge of being sacked by invaders from the nor-

Oh.

Subvert expectations, invade from the WEAST
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Postby Guardians of the Holy Bowling Alley » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:58 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
The Imperial Reach wrote:
But that would mean Holy Terra is the city of Rome and is thus on the verge of being sacked by invaders from the nor-

Oh.

Subvert expectations, invade from the WEAST


Someone get Games Workshop on the phone, I think we just found an excellent head-writer over here.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:59 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
The Imperial Reach wrote:
But that would mean Holy Terra is the city of Rome and is thus on the verge of being sacked by invaders from the nor-

Oh.

Subvert expectations, invade from the WEAST

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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:10 pm

Guardians of the Holy Bowling Alley wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Subvert expectations, invade from the WEAST


Someone get Games Workshop on the phone, I think we just found an excellent head-writer over here.


There already IS a fuckhuge invasion from the galactic East, truth be told.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:19 pm

Baltenstein wrote:
Guardians of the Holy Bowling Alley wrote:
Someone get Games Workshop on the phone, I think we just found an excellent head-writer over here.


There already IS a fuckhuge invasion from the galactic East, truth be told.

I said WEAST not EAST.
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Postby The Imperial Reach » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:40 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
There already IS a fuckhuge invasion from the galactic East, truth be told.

I said WEAST not EAST.


You're fired again.
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Postby Chan Island » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:05 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
There already IS a fuckhuge invasion from the galactic East, truth be told.

I said WEAST not EAST.


So... Weeb East then?

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