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Are you picking up the new Shadowspear set?

Yes, I am, or I already have it!
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10%
I'm still on the fence.
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50%
No, I'm not interested in the set / the armies in it.
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Total votes : 10

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Postby Herador » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:26 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
Yeah, the fluff from the 2nd Edition Codex Imperialis, which, if I'm not mistaken, was the fluff source where Imperial policies on that matter were portrayed at their most extreme ("Every survivor of a battle against the forces of Chaos gets executed, every Space Marine gets his memory erased, and if there isn't complete certainty that no witnesses exist anymore, drop an Exterminatus on the entire planet") was progressively toned down in later fluff publications. The writers probably figured that it would cause too many contradictions and unresolved questions if the Imperial approach were to be that absolute.
That said, I can totally see the Ordo Malleus disappearing Astra Militarum regiments from uneducated backwater planets after examining them and deciding that they were too heavily contaminated by their contact to Chaos but in general, I imagine that most Space Marine chapters and Astra Militarum authorities will be aware of Chaos and have some notion or basic knowledge about its forces and capabilities.
Especially now, where the realm of Chaos pretty much reaches from one end of the Milky Way to the other.

Wiping Astartes memories sounds really bad unless they get exposed to some really heavy and infectious chaos shit. I've seen media where your standard Tac Marines know their shit. Not like detailed inquisition level knowledge on every daemon but more than enough to spot a daemon know what to do and how not to get wrecked.

Considering what someone did to Agriworlds, I think it's safe to say not every writer has great ideas when it comes to plot stuff.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:11 pm

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:37 am

Baltenstein wrote:
Herador wrote:I always liked Abnett's approach in... whichever Gaunts Ghost novel had the Regiment going back to Gereon. The one demon we ever get to really see in combat is horrifying, wrecks everything, and fucks the whole battle up. But, no one brings everything to a screeching halt and ends an entire front of the Crusade to kill everyone involved.


Yeah, the fluff from the 2nd Edition Codex Imperialis, which, if I'm not mistaken, was the fluff source where Imperial policies on that matter were portrayed at their most extreme ("Every survivor of a battle against the forces of Chaos gets executed, every Space Marine gets his memory erased, and if there isn't complete certainty that no witnesses exist anymore, drop an Exterminatus on the entire planet") was progressively toned down in later fluff publications. The writers probably figured that it would cause too many contradictions and unresolved questions if the Imperial approach were to be that absolute.
That said, I can totally see the Ordo Malleus disappearing Astra Militarum regiments from uneducated backwater planets after examining them and deciding that they were too heavily contaminated by their contact to Chaos but in general, I imagine that most Space Marine chapters and Astra Militarum authorities will be aware of Chaos and have some notion or basic knowledge about its forces and capabilities.
Especially now, where the realm of Chaos pretty much reaches from one end of the Milky Way to the other.
Thats a bit stupid even for warhammer imo
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Postby Herador » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:40 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
Yeah, the fluff from the 2nd Edition Codex Imperialis, which, if I'm not mistaken, was the fluff source where Imperial policies on that matter were portrayed at their most extreme ("Every survivor of a battle against the forces of Chaos gets executed, every Space Marine gets his memory erased, and if there isn't complete certainty that no witnesses exist anymore, drop an Exterminatus on the entire planet") was progressively toned down in later fluff publications. The writers probably figured that it would cause too many contradictions and unresolved questions if the Imperial approach were to be that absolute.
That said, I can totally see the Ordo Malleus disappearing Astra Militarum regiments from uneducated backwater planets after examining them and deciding that they were too heavily contaminated by their contact to Chaos but in general, I imagine that most Space Marine chapters and Astra Militarum authorities will be aware of Chaos and have some notion or basic knowledge about its forces and capabilities.
Especially now, where the realm of Chaos pretty much reaches from one end of the Milky Way to the other.
Thats a bit stupid even for warhammer imo

The part that gets me is that this isn't just a one off by a BL author trying to out Grim the Darkest of their peers, multiple authors either show or mention this.
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Postby Crookfur » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:38 am

Even at the time there was stuff to contradict or at least indicate that it only happened in the worst scenarios ie 1st war of armageddon style, deamon primarchs marching around type situations or at least when actual deamons were involved. Anything just involving CSMs or cultists tended to be treated as being more normal.
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Postby The Biggles Syndicate » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:21 pm

I have the feeling that Khorne could have removed the Butcher's Nails without killing Angron if he wanted to, but kept them in to keep Angron pissed off.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:43 pm

The Biggles Syndicate wrote:I have the feeling that Khorne could have removed the Butcher's Nails without killing Angron if he wanted to, but kept them in to keep Angron pissed off.

I have a feeling butcher's nails wouldn't do anything once you achieve daemonhood.

At the very least, their effect is negligible compared to being rage incarnate.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:12 pm

The Biggles Syndicate wrote:I have the feeling that Khorne could have removed the Butcher's Nails without killing Angron if he wanted to, but kept them in to keep Angron pissed off.

Even Big E couldn't figure out a way to safely remove that thing. I doubt Khonre would trump him there.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:19 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
The Biggles Syndicate wrote:I have the feeling that Khorne could have removed the Butcher's Nails without killing Angron if he wanted to, but kept them in to keep Angron pissed off.

Even Big E couldn't figure out a way to safely remove that thing. I doubt Khonre would trump him there.

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Postby Ameriganastan » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:46 pm

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:He's coming.

Chaos Primaris?
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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:52 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:He's coming.

Chaos Primaris?

Abaddon.

Speaking of Chaos, though...

new Marines
new Obliterator
A ' Venomcrawler

Also, stealthy Astartes.
Librarian
Snipers

All from the same boxset.

Also, plastic Sister of Battle #2.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:52 pm

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:He's coming.


Could it be true? Could the mystical Warmaster known as The Armless have a new model?
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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:54 pm

Oh, also, plastic Skulltaker.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:21 am

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Chaos Primaris?

Abaddon.

Speaking of Chaos, though...

new Marines
new Obliterator
A ' Venomcrawler

Also, stealthy Astartes.
Librarian
Snipers

All from the same boxset.

Also, plastic Sister of Battle #2.

Those are all fucking cool looking, especially that librarian.

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:Oh, also, plastic Skulltaker.
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Postby The Imperial Reach » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:42 pm

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:Also, plastic Sister of Battle #2.


Wish the Sororitas' helmets got more love. They look cool and go great with their power armor.
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Postby The Biggles Syndicate » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:48 pm

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:He's coming.

Calgar better hurry up with those defenses double-time. And in today's forecast, Rawbooty Seagullman will have severe ulcers in his abdominal region, followed by a rain of Word Bearer heads...


I seem to be liking the Death Korps and Tyranids and their lore a lot more now, and when I get GA2 (still trying to get through AC7 first) they'll probably be the first fleet I play as. Why take part in that enormous Prima Donna Stageplay (Big G doesn't count, he got pulled into the middle and just wants to fix the Imperium) when YOU CAN BURN IT ALL DOWN TO THE GROUND- you can be the guy who topples it all over?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:16 pm

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Postby The Imperial Reach » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:23 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:


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Impaled Nazarene wrote:
The Imperial Reach wrote:I've encountered this event maybe 4 times and I've never lost - not even once. Even the one time when I had no skill-related options, I still won.

Stop giving me more reasons to hate you
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Postby The Biggles Syndicate » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:18 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:

That is a neat looking helmet.

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:24 pm

The Biggles Syndicate wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:

That is a neat looking helmet.

A typical "The Emperor cares not for your pathetic begging, you heretical abomination... and neither do I" helmet.

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Postby Chan Island » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:14 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:


I've only just noticed that the casing ejection system on that bolter is on the left. Which is unusual as most guns have them on the right, which makes sense if you're shooting them with your right hand.

In other words, the new sister is a left-handed sister!
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Postby Balican » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:08 pm

Chan Island wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:


I've only just noticed that the casing ejection system on that bolter is on the left. Which is unusual as most guns have them on the right, which makes sense if you're shooting them with your right hand.

In other words, the new sister is a left-handed sister!

A techpriest accidentally used the edit+refelct tool on the STC and they didn't know how to flip it back. That planet can now only produce bolters for lefthanded sisters.
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Postby Chan Island » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:59 am

Balican wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
I've only just noticed that the casing ejection system on that bolter is on the left. Which is unusual as most guns have them on the right, which makes sense if you're shooting them with your right hand.

In other words, the new sister is a left-handed sister!

A techpriest accidentally used the edit+refelct tool on the STC and they didn't know how to flip it back. That planet can now only produce bolters for lefthanded sisters.


I love the idea that there is one forgeworld completely dedicated to making weapons for the imperiums left-handed soldiers.
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Postby Jetan » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:52 am

Chan Island wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:


I've only just noticed that the casing ejection system on that bolter is on the left. Which is unusual as most guns have them on the right, which makes sense if you're shooting them with your right hand.

In other words, the new sister is a left-handed sister!

Could also be left-eyed rather than left-handed.
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