The Warhammer 40.000/Fantasy Discussion Thread Mk.II

[Imperial City-States]

Just wondering, do you have a particular reason for picking Meltas?

I'm not avid player (there's just a couple of other kids who play at my school, one has a bunch of models so we usually just use his) but meltas are for armor, and I'm wondering why you need 5 meltas?

And is it a good idea to concentrate them all between 2 squads?

If the people you play with play space marines (Tau?) then I guess it makes sense.

IMHO, Meltas>Plasma overall. The shorter range is meh, but damn is the power worth it. The plasma is nice, but the gets hot has really screwed me in the past, and the lack of instant death vs t4 is irritating.

Also AP1 is delicious in 7th ed.

I'd advise another type of LR, my favorite is vanquisher, demolishers, or punishers.

Problem i have with Vanquisher's is the BS4 one shot, the tank is practical a Melta for all intensive purposes but that BS4 isn't grand. Demolisher is `170 points (same as a tooled up Exterminator) but the Punisher's i will certainly look into, throw Pask into it>?

I'd worry more about Imperial Knights then Riptides. Riptides are cheesy, but as long as you get meltas into range, it's fucked (IMO I'd reccomend you take White Scar allies with melta spam bikes so you can get up to that Riptide on turn 1 and blow it the hell up). Knights through are a nastier problem, especially if it manages to charge something important like your tanks.

(Hilariously though, Deathwing Knights utterly wreck Knights in melee.)

Personally i have a really big problem with all bike Armies, typically have to wait until they get into closer range and then go full FRFSRF!. I actually insta-gibbed a Riptide one time by using a Pysker with a Force Axe.

as far as Imperial Knights go, they're cheesy as fuck but i'm fairly sure every Army has at least some way to handle them. I personally have found that Ten Veterans in a Valkyrie with three Melta guns and Demolitions doctrine. Marines get their Drop pods.

[Imperial City-States]

The Mechanicus is getting a codex ? Thank the Omnissiah!

Essentially Sister's of Battle 2.0.

Their main rifles look good though.

S4 AP4 30' Range with Rapid Fire.


Really wished Veterans had access to Hellguns of a similar profile...

[Sildhrain]

holy
shitelbaum.

I got the big necron triangle thing and REKT EVERYONE. IT WAS THE BEST THING AFTER MAKING SOFT DRINK INTO TORPEDOES!

[Warpspace]

Yeah, Riptides are fairly overhyped. The stats aren't the real problem, it's pretty easy to crack two plus armor or a four plus invul, the problem is the mobility with the overgrown battlesuit hopping around the table like a hare on meth. But lol, that's not going to be a problem if you bring squadron(s) of Leman Russes.

Crunch all you want, we'll make more.

[Imperial City-States]

Yeah, Riptides are fairly overhyped. The stats aren't the real problem, it's pretty easy to crack two plus armor or a four plus invul, the problem is the mobility with the overgrown battlesuit hopping around the table like a hare on meth. But lol, that's not going to be a problem if you bring squadron(s) of Leman Russes.

Crunch all you want, we'll make more.

Well typically it's just pure shot saturation that kills Riptides. short saturation being one of the few things that the Guard absolutely excels at. Personally i don't like taking Squadron's of tanks, having to fire them all at the same target is insanely overkill. I would however consider it if the Squadrons in the HS section had to nominate a 'Platoon Commander' who could issue orders to the other tanks in his unit.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

A bit late, but...

http://www.blacklibrary.com/00110001.html

[Pragia]

IMHO, Meltas>Plasma overall. The shorter range is meh, but damn is the power worth it. The plasma is nice, but the gets hot has really screwed me in the past, and the lack of instant death vs t4 is irritating.

Also AP1 is delicious in 7th ed.

I'd advise another type of LR, my favorite is vanquisher, demolishers, or punishers.

Problem i have with Vanquisher's is the BS4 one shot, the tank is practical a Melta for all intensive purposes but that BS4 isn't grand. Demolisher is `170 points (same as a tooled up Exterminator) but the Punisher's i will certainly look into, throw Pask into it>?

I'd worry more about Imperial Knights then Riptides. Riptides are cheesy, but as long as you get meltas into range, it's fucked (IMO I'd reccomend you take White Scar allies with melta spam bikes so you can get up to that Riptide on turn 1 and blow it the hell up). Knights through are a nastier problem, especially if it manages to charge something important like your tanks.

(Hilariously though, Deathwing Knights utterly wreck Knights in melee.)

Personally i have a really big problem with all bike Armies, typically have to wait until they get into closer range and then go full FRFSRF!. I actually insta-gibbed a Riptide one time by using a Pysker with a Force Axe.

as far as Imperial Knights go, they're cheesy as fuck but i'm fairly sure every Army has at least some way to handle them. I personally have found that Ten Veterans in a Valkyrie with three Melta guns and Demolitions doctrine. Marines get their Drop pods.

Vanquisher has been fantastic for me. The ability to have a good chance to pop a land raider from across the table has been something I find incredibly useful. Demolishers, while expensive, are amazing against both armor and TEQ blobs. Punishers are what I use vs ork and tyranid mainly.
Pask is best in a vanq, that reroll goodness is so awesome. I have not tried pask in a punisher in new codex. In old codex it was great, and rending is pretty awesome.

[Imperial City-States]

Vanquisher has been fantastic for me. The ability to have a good chance to pop a land raider from across the table has been something I find incredibly useful. Demolishers, while expensive, are amazing against both armor and TEQ blobs. Punishers are what I use vs ork and tyranid mainly.
Pask is best in a vanq, that reroll goodness is so awesome. I have not tried pask in a punisher in new codex. In old codex it was great, and rending is pretty awesome.

I used to be a huge advocate of the Vanquisher (until a couple of weeks ago) But the lack of AV14 in my area has rendered it unnecessary for my local area, thus i was working for powerful alternatives. Plus an Exterminator can act as Emergency Anti-Air if it's desperately needed.

From what i here Pask in a Punisher is Godly as he get's Preferred Enemy so he re-rolls 1's for hits AND wounds. Plus it get's rending on a 6 so with 20 S5 shots it can be devastating, very expensive though.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

And the first (good) leaked picture of the Onager Dunewalker.

[Imperial City-States]

And the first (good) leaked picture of the Onager Dunewalker.

I'd consider it if it wasn't such a fething ugly model. That stat's (at first) look unremarkable but i suspect that it'll have an Invulnerable save (Cover more likely) that's buffed by the number of vehicles in the squadron.

Weapons i'd probably say are going to be like the Space Wolf Helfrost cannons.

[Spoder]

And the first (good) leaked picture of the Onager Dunewalker.

No two ways about it.

GW either designs a tear-inducing, beautiful model or the leftover droppings of Nurgle.

Guess which one that is.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

And the first (good) leaked picture of the Onager Dunewalker.

I'd consider it if it wasn't such a fething ugly model. That stat's (at first) look unremarkable but i suspect that it'll have an Invulnerable save (Cover more likely) that's buffed by the number of vehicles in the squadron.

Weapons i'd probably say are going to be like the Space Wolf Helfrost cannons.

And the first (good) leaked picture of the Onager Dunewalker.

No two ways about it.

GW either designs a tear-inducing, beautiful model or the leftover droppings of Nurgle.

Guess which one that is.

Everyone's a critic.

[Imperial City-States]

Everyone's a critic.

Don't worry, i'll still buy some Skitarii depending on how the price and rules look...

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

Everyone's a critic.

Don't worry, i'll still buy some Skitarii depending on how the price and rules look...

The Dunewalker doesn't need to roll for any type of terrain.

The Skitarii themselves are pretty good - the -1T Vanguard give to enemies in close combat is nice, and the Ranger-specific sniper can punch through Power Armor and vehicles while still moving.
FOC-wise they don't have an HQ, but can include 2-9 troops. If it's a Battleforged army, all units get Scout and Crusader.
Also, BS7 Skitarii once per game. Ermahgerd.

[Hjalmarr]

Spacewolves
=
best.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

Spacewolves
=
best.

I'm not much of a fan of the Bloodpackclawwolves of the Clawblooded Wolfpack, myself. Wolf.

[Hjalmarr]

Spacewolves
=
best.

I'm not much of a fan of the Bloodpackclawwolves of the Clawblooded Wolfpack, myself. Wolf.

Iron wolves are the best, and you will die if you think otherwise.

(I won't actually kill you, I am joking.)

[The Huskar Social Union]

Spacewolves
=
best.

I'm not much of a fan of the Bloodpackclawwolves of the Clawblooded Wolfpack, myself. Wolf.

What about the Wolfpack of extreme wolf packs led by the mighty FellWolf hammer handwolf and his elite wolf cadre of manly blackclaw wolves.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I'm not much of a fan of the Bloodpackclawwolves of the Clawblooded Wolfpack, myself. Wolf.

Iron wolves are the best, and you will die if you think otherwise.

(I won't actually kill you, I am joking.)

He's not

[New-Pradbraki]

Iron wolves are the best, and you will die if you think otherwise.

(I won't actually kill you, I am joking.)

He's not

He's wolfing.

[Imperial City-States]

Don't worry, i'll still buy some Skitarii depending on how the price and rules look...

The Dunewalker doesn't need to roll for any type of terrain.

The Skitarii themselves are pretty good - the -1T Vanguard give to enemies in close combat is nice, and the Ranger-specific sniper can punch through Power Armor and vehicles while still moving.
FOC-wise they don't have an HQ, but can include 2-9 troops. If it's a Battleforged army, all units get Scout and Crusader.
Also, BS7 Skitarii once per game. Ermahgerd.

I'd have to wait to see actual rules before i'd be willing to make a judgement Army wide. My biggest concern is that they'll be stuck in a position were they're forced to be taken as allies and can't form a cohesive single detachment. Crusader is nice but scouts is useless for the way that i play. What i would probably do is take a Platoon sized (30 men) of the Vanguard in Chimera's and use them as a Close in fighting unit to take on assault units.

[Napkiraly]

So I've come across the theory that WFB is being completely squatted, at least in its current form/mythology, and that GW intends on retconning everything in the 9th edition. Thoughts on this?

[Lord Tothe]

And the first (good) leaked picture of the Onager Dunewalker.

No two ways about it.

GW either designs a tear-inducing, beautiful model or the leftover droppings of Nurgle.

Guess which one that is.

The mechanical spider legs are cool.
The turret and cab on top has potential.
The combination is meh.

I see potential for Ork looting as multiple new vehicles though.

[Lunas Legion]

No two ways about it.

GW either designs a tear-inducing, beautiful model or the leftover droppings of Nurgle.

Guess which one that is.

The mechanical spider legs are cool.
The turret and cab on top has potential.
The combination is meh.

I see potential for Ork looting as multiple new vehicles though.

I sense a brilliant potential for use as Deff Dreadz.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I made a thing with the IG creation tables.

== Suka Steelborn ==

The planet Suka is a grim world: its surface is devoid of any atmosphere, almost lifeless save the beasts that brave the distances between settlements and the plants which reach deep into the tunnels for sustenance. Not a human soul lives on the surface, but must reside in various airtight villages scattered around the planet, ancients structures from the Dark Age of Technology revered by their denizens with worship. In such a world resources are scarce, and so the tech-tribes must fight using their ancient artifacts, bringing void-suits and lasguns to bear against each other.

The tech-tribes of Suka do not wage war themselves, but instead send forth their gods. Among the most ancient technologies of Suka are ancient incubation vats, automated apparatus that give birth to flesh. What beings emerge from these metal wombs are not mere men to the tech-tribes; they are gods, born of machine, whose exclusive right is to lay waste to the bodies and spirits of machines. Only the Steelborn, sons of metal, can break metal; the lower born of flesh have no say in the affairs of spirits. Steelborn cross the airless surface of Suka, fighting other steelborn for their tech-tribe, scavenging archeotech, providing valuable services to the tech-tribes as they explore the world.

Occasionally, when the stars are too many, gods from the sky descend to Suka. Representatives of the God-Emperor, ruler of all machine spirits, come to the planet to spirit away hundreds of Steelborn into the larger Imperium's endless conflicts. Other times it is techpriests of the Adeptus Mechanicus, truly divine men to the Sukans, searching for archeotech, bringing more technology to the tech-tribes to trade for rarer items. Sometimes, it is not gods but demons who come to Suka. In such times the Steelborn must defend their world against the horrors of the galaxy.

Speaking of, lets make our own army with the creation tables!