General Music Discussion II

by **Atheris** » Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:39 am

Ghost Land wrote:
Atheris wrote:Mass hysteria, Kroeger being a douche, and their songs just not being good.

On a sidenote, I've started listening to meme songs unironically. Help.

What are "meme songs"? It's not like artists make music with the purpose of getting it used in some stupid online video.

Songs that are primarily used in memes. Song for Denise, Yi Jian Mei, and Never Gonna Give You Up have been on repeat in my playlists for a while.

by **Ameriganastan** » Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:47 am

I like Nickelback. I don't care what people say.

by **Asle Leopolka** » Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:53 am

Xmara wrote:
Nuroblav wrote:The common argument I hear is that 'all their music sounds the same'. While I disagree that all their music sounds the same, I would personally argue that a lot of their stuff just doesn't feel as interesting as a lot of stuff I've heard - a lot of the instruments just feel as if they're there for just being there, without doing much interesting.

Was the one you heard called How You Remind Me? In my opinion, that one isn't too bad.

Yeah I think that was it

About that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHPj5YokEOY

From a musical standpoint, all their sounds are extremely basic and not very technical or complicated. It's manufactured post-grunge, dad rock-lite meant to be safe for iHeartRadio, MTV, Clear Channel, et al. </hipster>

by **Nuroblav** » Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:15 am

Asle Leopolka wrote:About that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHPj5YokEOY

From a musical standpoint, all their sounds are extremely basic and not very technical or complicated. It's manufactured post-grunge, dad rock-lite meant to be safe for iHeartRadio, MTV, Clear Channel, et al. </hipster>

I'd argue that something doesn't need to be technical to be good (e.g. I'd rather listen Minor Threat than Yngwie Malmsteen, for example) but you hit the nail on the head with the last sentence. It feels way too commercialised and similar to other bands around the time.

I reckon a reason why a lot of people like them is down to nostalgia, which is a decent enough reason.

by **Asle Leopolka** » Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:39 pm

Nuroblav wrote:
Asle Leopolka wrote:About that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHPj5YokEOY

From a musical standpoint, all their sounds are extremely basic and not very technical or complicated. It's manufactured post-grunge, dad rock-lite meant to be safe for iHeartRadio, MTV, Clear Channel, et al. </hipster>

I'd argue that something doesn't need to be technical to be good (e.g. I'd rather listen Minor Threat than Yngwie Malmsteen, for example) but you hit the nail on the head with the last sentence. It feels way too commercialised and similar to other bands around the time.

I reckon a reason why a lot of people like them is down to nostalgia, which is a decent enough reason.

Oh I get that. I respect the hell out Yngwie but I'd never voluntarily listen to any of his work because "shreddy shreddy tech shred shred" is just as boring as bland DABG commercial shit (Looking at you too, Dream Theater). But I'd also argue that you need some technical proficiency and knowledge of theory and composition to make unique and memorable music. I'm not saying you need a masters degree in composition to be good musicians, but you gotta know how to stand out from the crowd (ex: Led Zeppelin, Tool, Tame Impala, Mastodon, Dave Matthews, etc)

by **Nuroblav** » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:05 am

Asle Leopolka wrote:Oh I get that. I respect the hell out Yngwie but I'd never voluntarily listen to any of his work because "shreddy shreddy tech shred shred" is just as boring as bland DABG commercial shit (Looking at you too, Dream Theater). But I'd also argue that you need some technical proficiency and knowledge of theory and composition to make unique and memorable music. I'm not saying you need a masters degree in composition to be good musicians, but you gotta know how to stand out from the crowd (ex: Led Zeppelin, Tool, Tame Impala, Mastodon, Dave Matthews, etc)

Yeah I agree with that.

Last.FM · by **Corrian** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:40 pm

Ghost Land wrote:
Xmara wrote:I'm gonna probably have a table thrown at me or something for asking this, but why does everyone hate Nickelback? Because I heard one of their songs on the radio yesterday for the first time in my life and it wasn't that bad. Can't remember what song it was, but I've definitely heard worse. I just need someone to explain to me why they (apparently) suck.

I'd be willing to bet a lot of it comes from the fact that lead singer Chad Kroeger is widely perceived to be a complete douche, and people can't separate the art from the artist.

While I'm by no means a Nickelback fan, I don't mind "How You Remind Me" (2001) either.

I mean How You Remind Me really isn't that bad, and the hate is over dramatic. But I do think a lot of their stuff is pretty trash. Rockstar is an awful song.

by **Ameriganastan** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:52 pm

Corrian wrote:I mean How You Remind Me really isn't that bad, and the hate is over dramatic. But I do think a lot of their stuff is pretty trash. Rockstar is an awful song.

Rockstar is an awesome song. And they're awesome. They're fun is what they are. Songs about botched bank robberies, high class hookers. getting road head, etc. What's not to like about that?

by **Asle Leopolka** » Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:06 am

Ameriganastan wrote:
Corrian wrote:I mean How You Remind Me really isn't that bad, and the hate is over dramatic. But I do think a lot of their stuff is pretty trash. Rockstar is an awful song.

Rockstar is an awesome song. And they're awesome. They're fun is what they are. Songs about botched bank robberies, high class hookers. getting road head, etc. What's not to like about that?

It's not others' preferred music.

by **Dresderstan** » Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:15 am

Asle Leopolka wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Rockstar is an awesome song. And they're awesome. They're fun is what they are. Songs about botched bank robberies, high class hookers. getting road head, etc. What's not to like about that?

It's not others' preferred music.

Because some people find the post-grunge subgenre to be a plotting, slow, dull, slog full of cringey breakup angsty lyrics, terrible vocals, and overwrought production.

by **Asle Leopolka** » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:28 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Asle Leopolka wrote:It's not others' preferred music.

Because some people find the post-grunge subgenre to be a plotting, slow, dull, slog full of cringey breakup angsty lyrics, terrible vocals, and overwrought production.

Indeed. It's overly-commercial, generic, boring DABG hodgepodge meant to be just edgy enough for teens to like it but not so far out that can't be played on the radio. It's basically slowed down pop-punk.

Last.FM · by **Corrian** » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:40 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Corrian wrote:I mean How You Remind Me really isn't that bad, and the hate is over dramatic. But I do think a lot of their stuff is pretty trash. Rockstar is an awful song.

Rockstar is an awesome song. And they're awesome. They're fun is what they are. Songs about botched bank robberies, high class hookers. getting road head, etc. What's not to like about that?

Everything about everything you just sent.

by **Asle Leopolka** » Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:41 am

New bass on order! Hopefully it'll get here next week but with COVID and shipping disruptions it could take up to 2 weeks.

by **Anollasia** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:02 pm

Asle Leopolka wrote:New bass on order! Hopefully it'll get here next week but with COVID and shipping disruptions it could take up to 2 weeks.

Neat! I got an acoustic guitar a few days ago.

by **Nuroblav** » Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:53 am

Here's my top 50 album list as of now (this will probably change in the future but here it is anyway):

Last.FM · by **Corrian** » Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:56 am

I'm gonna start working on solidifying some album ratings I think. Just upp'd Angel Dust by Faith No More to a 10/10. There really are no flaws to this album honestly. Probably get some Top Albums of the Year for various years going.

Last.FM · by **Corrian** » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:27 pm

So I'm working on going through various years and finalizing my ratings on some albums. Its gonna take a loooong time so I'm focusing on the short years first, and I'm making lists of the Top 5 or Top 10 Albums of those years depending on how many there are. So far I have two years

Top 10 Albums of 1991
1.White Light from the Mouth of Infinity by Swans
2.Sailing the Seas of Cheese by Primus
3.Spiderland by Slint
4.Ten by Pearl Jam
5.Metallica by Metallica
6.Badmotorfinger by Soundgarden
7.Nevermind by Nirvana
8.Loveless by My Bloody Valentine
9.Prove You Wrong by Prong
10.Gish by The Smashing Pumpkins

Ratings changes:
1991:
Sailing the Seas of Cheese by Primus from 8 to 9
Ten by Pearl Jam from 8 to 8.5
Spiderland by Slint from 8 to 9
White Light From the Mouth of Infinity by Swans from 8 to 9

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Top 10 Albums of 1992
1.Angel Dust by Faith No More
2.Down Colorful Hill by Red House Painters
3.Souls At Zero by Neurosis
4.Psalm 69: The Way to Succeed and the Way to Suck Eggs by Ministry
5.Dirt by Alice in Chains
6.Bone Machine by Tom Waits
7.Henry's Dream by Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
8.Selected Ambient Works 85-92 by Aphex Twin
9.Little Earthquakes by Tori Amos
10.Pure by Godflesh

Ratings changes:
1992:
Angel Dust by Faith No More from a 9 to 10
Psalm 69 by Ministry from 8 to 9
Down Colorful Hill by Red House Painters from 8 to 9
Dirt by Alice in Chains from 8 to 8.5
Souls at Zero by Neurosis from 8 to 9

Last.FM · by **Corrian** » Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:11 am

Mark Kozalak of Sun Kil Moon and Red House Painters has been accused of sexual misconduct by 3 women

Unfortunate.

by **Nuroblav** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:16 am

Thought I might do a Top 10 Albums list for each year in the 90s. Again, this might change in the future. Also, this is quite a general, so not all of these albums I have necessarily heard in much detail.

I'm'a come back later and add my personal favourite from each year since 1990.

EDIT: As promised:

Last.FM · by **Corrian** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 6:32 am

Not too bad lists

by **Ameriganastan** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 6:35 am

Thing I learned yesterday: Tupac was in Digital Underground. Found that out when they reviewed this weird movie called Nothing But Trouble on (Almost) Cult Classics.

His verse on the song for that flick is unsurprisingly total fire.

Last.FM · by **Corrian** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:12 am

Speaking of which, I gotta another year done, albeit one with less albums I know

Top 5 Albums of 1990
1.Frizzle Fry by Primus
2.Elizium by Fields of the Nephilim
3.Taproot by Michael Hedges
4.Facelift by Alice In Chains
5.Goo by Sonic Youth

Honorable Mentions:
Violator by Depeche Mode
Rust in Peace by Megadeth

by **Ghost Land** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:00 pm

Corrian wrote:Speaking of which, I gotta another year done, albeit one with less albums I know

Top 5 Albums of 1990
1.Frizzle Fry by Primus
2.Elizium by Fields of the Nephilim
3.Taproot by Michael Hedges
4.Facelift by Alice In Chains
5.Goo by Sonic Youth

Honorable Mentions:
Violator by Depeche Mode
Rust in Peace by Megadeth

"Enjoy the Silence", from that album, is probably my favourite song from 1990.

by **Mirjynistan** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:02 pm

Ghost Land wrote:
Corrian wrote:Speaking of which, I gotta another year done, albeit one with less albums I know

Top 5 Albums of 1990
1.Frizzle Fry by Primus
2.Elizium by Fields of the Nephilim
3.Taproot by Michael Hedges
4.Facelift by Alice In Chains
5.Goo by Sonic Youth

Honorable Mentions:
Violator by Depeche Mode
Rust in Peace by Megadeth

"Enjoy the Silence", from that album, is probably my favourite song from 1990.

Depeche Mode are amazing tho.

by **Nevertopia** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:05 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:I like Nickelback. I don't care what people say.

youre brave.

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