Skyrim

[Bazrasha]

Yep. Great huh?


I've once gotten myself hooked on Skooma, and then locked myself up until my character dealt with it.


To be honest, most of the people portrayed are extremists, the Thalmor, the Stormcloaks, the more radical Imperials, are all early-form nationalists. Which in turn makes them assholes.

Why Stormcloaks? How are they extremists? All they want is freedom of religion and foreign invaders out of their land

But racism isn't all that great ether. But yes I found it weird that everyone was a foaming at the mouth this guy or that guy and we really didn't see anyone who was sort of in between or saw the good in both or was simply indifferent.

[Transoxthraxia]

Like, aside from the fact that Ulfric persecutes the Dunmer and disallows Argonians and Khajits inside the walls of his own city?

One: The Dunmer live in the Grey Quarter because they chose to.
Two: With Khajiit, none of the other citys allow them in. And look inside Windhelm and tell me where to space to put the Argonians is?

I'm 100% sure that if they had the chance the Dunmer would move to any other part of the city. Regarding the Argonians, the city certainly could've been designed to incorporate them into the city if the game's developers wanted to do so. Claiming that there was no space inside the city is BS because it was made that way on purpose, they wanted to give off an extremely apparent feeling of racism, segregation, and bigotry within the Stormcloak Capital to show that neither side is really the "good" side. Not to mention that Ulfric Stormcloak sort-of cheated in the whole contest thing.

[Spoder]

One: The Dunmer live in the Grey Quarter because they chose to.
Two: With Khajiit, none of the other citys allow them in. And look inside Windhelm and tell me where to space to put the Argonians is?

I'm 100% sure that if they had the chance the Dunmer would move to any other part of the city. Regarding the Argonians, the city certainly could've been designed to incorporate them into the city if the game's developers wanted to do so. Claiming that there was no space inside the city is BS because it was made that way on purpose, they wanted to give off an extremely apparent feeling of racism, segregation, and bigotry within the Stormcloak Capital to show that neither side is really the "good" side. Not to mention that Ulfric Stormcloak sort-of cheated in the whole contest thing.

Skyrim is too black and white for my tastes...

The Empire is the good side. They're being made to do bad stuff by the truly bad side.

There are no in-between opinions, and you can't be a bad guy.

There isn't any subtlety to TES plots, and they are always subpar.

[Toronina]

One: The Dunmer live in the Grey Quarter because they chose to.
Two: With Khajiit, none of the other citys allow them in. And look inside Windhelm and tell me where to space to put the Argonians is?

I'm 100% sure that if they had the chance the Dunmer would move to any other part of the city. Regarding the Argonians, the city certainly could've been designed to incorporate them into the city if the game's developers wanted to do so. Claiming that there was no space inside the city is BS because it was made that way on purpose, they wanted to give off an extremely apparent feeling of racism, segregation, and bigotry within the Stormcloak Capital to show that neither side is really the "good" side. Not to mention that Ulfric Stormcloak sort-of cheated in the whole contest thing.

If Ulfric is racist, how come he makes no mention on the character being elven if they are an elf? Why is the High Elf not segregated. It does not help that one of them is an Imperial supporter, and that they are rude to the nords, they complain of the smell in skyrim. The nords don't treat them with respect, because the Dunmer won't show them any respect. You'll notice that the two racist members of town, are not part of the Stormcloak faction. The city is like that because you know what Bethesda can be like. With Fallout 3, they created a town around a atomic bomb. They can be uncreative. If the Dunmer actually tried to show the Nords some respect, they'd get some respect back. With Ulfric not helping nearby Dunmer villages out, the only person who says that, is a known Imperial supporter, racist to Argonians and Khajiit, and is ULFRIC'S REPLACEMENT.

[Solaray]

Yep. Great huh?


I've once gotten myself hooked on Skooma, and then locked myself up until my character dealt with it.


To be honest, most of the people portrayed are extremists, the Thalmor, the Stormcloaks, the more radical Imperials, are all early-form nationalists. Which in turn makes them assholes.

Why Stormcloaks? How are they extremists? All they want is freedom of religion and foreign invaders out of their land

It's Imperial land. They aren't invaders.

[Toronina]

Why Stormcloaks? How are they extremists? All they want is freedom of religion and foreign invaders out of their land

It's Imperial land. They aren't invaders.

I meant the Aldmeri Dominion

[Empire of Narnia]

I think all the characters in Skyrim are ugly, but I still really enjoy the game.

[Solaray]

It's Imperial land. They aren't invaders.

I meant the Aldmeri Dominion

Then they should join the Legion

[Spoder]

The stormcloaks didn't give a fuck for the empire, until it gave up to a bunch of golden losers who claim to be superior to all races.

Why are we even arguing about a plot created by Bethesda (a side note: not one Fallout title was ever developed by Bethesda)? It's obvious there's going to be a lot speculation, and plot holes in what takes place in the games.

The only shit they bother aptly describing is everything that isn't relevant to the events in the series.

[Solaray]

The stormcloaks didn't give a fuck for the empire, until it gave up to a bunch of golden losers who claim to be superior to all races.

Why are we even arguing about a plot created by Bethesda (a side note: not one Fallout title was ever developed by Bethesda)? It's obvious there's going to be a lot speculation, and plot holes in what takes place in the games.

The only shit they bother aptly describing is everything that isn't relevant to the events in the series.

Because we've all got nothing better to do

[Transoxthraxia]

I'm 100% sure that if they had the chance the Dunmer would move to any other part of the city. Regarding the Argonians, the city certainly could've been designed to incorporate them into the city if the game's developers wanted to do so. Claiming that there was no space inside the city is BS because it was made that way on purpose, they wanted to give off an extremely apparent feeling of racism, segregation, and bigotry within the Stormcloak Capital to show that neither side is really the "good" side. Not to mention that Ulfric Stormcloak sort-of cheated in the whole contest thing.

Skyrim is too black and white for my tastes...

The Empire is the good side. They're being made to do bad stuff by the truly bad side.

There are no in-between opinions, and you can't be a bad guy.

There isn't any subtlety to TES plots, and they are always subpar.

I'd have to disagree with you when you say that the Empire is obviously the "good guys". The Empire is Imperialistic and Harsh - it allows its citizens to go about their business so long as they don't interfere with political business - enter the scene at the beginning of the game right before Whiterun when you pass the Imperial Patrol on the road with the prisoner who'll draw their swords and attack you if you loiter around them too long - Furthermore, they're only seen as the "good guys" in the game because the first few people that you try to talk to are Imperial Soldiers like Hadvar - tolerant soldiers who aren't really sure why they're doing what they're doing - But what's the empire but Imperial Culture superimposed on other nations, such as the Nordic One? A precedent is set upon the Empire being immediately seen as the war exhausted, tired-yet-frustrated "bigger brother" archetype of all Humans.

I like to think of the Empire as the Roman Empire in its final stages, as it's often seen. They know that they're holding back the tides of chaos, barbarism, and probable genocide from the alternative polities, but the Non-Imperial denizens of their empire don't particularly appreciate it and don't particularly contribute, and sometimes do the exact opposite of that, because at the end of the day, it's an Imperial Empire, and not a Cosmopolitaine one.

I'm 100% sure that if they had the chance the Dunmer would move to any other part of the city. Regarding the Argonians, the city certainly could've been designed to incorporate them into the city if the game's developers wanted to do so. Claiming that there was no space inside the city is BS because it was made that way on purpose, they wanted to give off an extremely apparent feeling of racism, segregation, and bigotry within the Stormcloak Capital to show that neither side is really the "good" side. Not to mention that Ulfric Stormcloak sort-of cheated in the whole contest thing.

If Ulfric is racist, how come he makes no mention on the character being elven if they are an elf? Why is the High Elf not segregated. It does not help that one of them is an Imperial supporter, and that they are rude to the nords, they complain of the smell in skyrim. The nords don't treat them with respect, because the Dunmer won't show them any respect. You'll notice that the two racist members of town, are not part of the Stormcloak faction. The city is like that because you know what Bethesda can be like. With Fallout 3, they created a town around a atomic bomb. They can be uncreative. If the Dunmer actually tried to show the Nords some respect, they'd get some respect back. With Ulfric not helping nearby Dunmer villages out, the only person who says that, is a known Imperial supporter, racist to Argonians and Khajiit, and is ULFRIC'S REPLACEMENT.

Because, plainly speaking, the coding and effort going into that wouldn't be worth the amount of immersion achieved by the few lines muttered about an Elf helping the Stormcloaks out.

Because the High Elves aren't coming into their city and threatening their culture and way of life.

It's a vicious cycle that needs to be stopped, not perpetuated. The Dark Elves were shown no respect when they first came, so they didn't give any respect, and so it goes. It's not an acceptable excuse to say "They don't respect me so I'll keep being racist towards them."

If Ulfric isn't racist, then why isn't he doing something about the Grey Quarter, and letting the Argonians in rather than forcing them to stay in that god-awful barracks thing that they have near the harbour?

[Toronina]

Skyrim is too black and white for my tastes...

The Empire is the good side. They're being made to do bad stuff by the truly bad side.

There are no in-between opinions, and you can't be a bad guy.

There isn't any subtlety to TES plots, and they are always subpar.

I'd have to disagree with you when you say that the Empire is obviously the "good guys". The Empire is Imperialistic and Harsh - it allows its citizens to go about their business so long as they don't interfere with political business - enter the scene at the beginning of the game right before Whiterun when you pass the Imperial Patrol on the road with the prisoner who'll draw their swords and attack you if you loiter around them too long - Furthermore, they're only seen as the "good guys" in the game because the first few people that you try to talk to are Imperial Soldiers like Hadvar - tolerant soldiers who aren't really sure why they're doing what they're doing - But what's the empire but Imperial Culture superimposed on other nations, such as the Nordic One? A precedent is set upon the Empire being immediately seen as the war exhausted, tired-yet-frustrated "bigger brother" archetype of all Humans.

I like to think of the Empire as the Roman Empire in its final stages, as it's often seen. They know that they're holding back the tides of chaos, barbarism, and probable genocide from the alternative polities, but the Non-Imperial denizens of their empire don't particularly appreciate it and don't particularly contribute, and sometimes do the exact opposite of that, because at the end of the day, it's an Imperial Empire, and not a Cosmopolitaine one.

If Ulfric is racist, how come he makes no mention on the character being elven if they are an elf? Why is the High Elf not segregated. It does not help that one of them is an Imperial supporter, and that they are rude to the nords, they complain of the smell in skyrim. The nords don't treat them with respect, because the Dunmer won't show them any respect. You'll notice that the two racist members of town, are not part of the Stormcloak faction. The city is like that because you know what Bethesda can be like. With Fallout 3, they created a town around a atomic bomb. They can be uncreative. If the Dunmer actually tried to show the Nords some respect, they'd get some respect back. With Ulfric not helping nearby Dunmer villages out, the only person who says that, is a known Imperial supporter, racist to Argonians and Khajiit, and is ULFRIC'S REPLACEMENT.

Because, plainly speaking, the coding and effort going into that wouldn't be worth the amount of immersion achieved by the few lines muttered about an Elf helping the Stormcloaks out.

Because the High Elves aren't coming into their city and threatening their culture and way of life.

It's a vicious cycle that needs to be stopped, not perpetuated. The Dark Elves were shown no respect when they first came, so they didn't give any respect, and so it goes. It's not an acceptable excuse to say "They don't respect me so I'll keep being racist towards them."

If Ulfric isn't racist, then why isn't he doing something about the Grey Quarter, and letting the Argonians in rather than forcing them to stay in that god-awful barracks thing that they have near the harbour?

So why does Galmar mention it?

If someone came into your city, and threatend your way of life and culture would you like it? This is not modern times, this a barbarian/medieval time

Listen here, if you have ever played Morrowind, you'll know that nearly every dunmer is rude to you, and will call you an outsider even if you are a fellow dunmer. So I'm inclined to believe that the dunmer started it

Maybe because he is in the middle of a bloody war. Why are you not getting angry at Ulfric's father, the previous Jarl for not doing anything. If you notice, you'd see the Argonians and Dunmer don't have a good relationship, because Dunmer love ton enslave the Argonians

[Transoxthraxia]

I think all the characters in Skyrim are ugly, but I still really enjoy the game.

Characters being non-player characters? Or including player characters? Either way I'd have to disagree. Do you have it for the console?

[Empire of Narnia]

I think all the characters in Skyrim are ugly, but I still really enjoy the game.

Characters being non-player characters? Or including player characters? Either way I'd have to disagree. Do you have it for the console?

Yeah, I mean NPCs. All of them seem ugly, especially those elves with black eyes and those freaky lizards. I made a player character that looks like Stalin, so it is possible to make handsome player characters. I have it for PC.

[Transoxthraxia]

Characters being non-player characters? Or including player characters? Either way I'd have to disagree. Do you have it for the console?

Yeah, I mean NPCs. All of them seem ugly, especially those elves with black eyes and those freaky lizards. I made a player character that looks like Stalin, so it is possible to make handsome player characters. I have it for PC.

Okay, then I guess you should look into getting some mods that fix that then. 'Cuz while some of my NPCs still do have the vanilla hair and whatnot, for the most part they're very presentable.

[Empire of Narnia]

Yeah, I mean NPCs. All of them seem ugly, especially those elves with black eyes and those freaky lizards. I made a player character that looks like Stalin, so it is possible to make handsome player characters. I have it for PC.

Okay, then I guess you should look into getting some mods that fix that then. 'Cuz while some of my NPCs still do have the vanilla hair and whatnot, for the most part they're very presentable.

I actually think the default look is more realistic and fits better with the medieval-fantasy theme of Skyrim. Having everybody look like they walked off the fashion runway with perfect skin and hair looks weird in a game like Skyrim where everything else is so rugged and rustic. The trade off of course, is that the characters look ugly. I do though think they looked better in Oblivion, apart from the Orcs.

[Gallade]

On this whole Empire/Stormcloak debate: I join the Legion for the same reason I don't kill Paarthunax - doing otherwise gets you yelled at by bearded Nord gentlemen.

I don't like the Stormcloak side of the story. Felt like the bad guy all the way through, and grew tired of Ulfric's brainwashing speeches very quickly. The guy needs a good kick.

[Toronina]

I really don't know why people say that without the Empire Skyrim will be invaded by the Thalmor. They can't be invaded by the navy, both sides. The only way would be to take over two whole provinces of Tamriel.

[Kouralia]

I really don't know why people say that without the Empire Skyrim will be invaded by the Thalmor. They can't be invaded by the navy, both sides. The only way would be to take over two whole provinces of Tamriel.

The Thalmor, IIRC have the best navy in Tamriel. What exactly stops them landing at Solitude?

[Toronina]

I really don't know why people say that without the Empire Skyrim will be invaded by the Thalmor. They can't be invaded by the navy, both sides. The only way would be to take over two whole provinces of Tamriel.

The Thalmor, IIRC have the best navy in Tamriel. What exactly stops them landing at Solitude?

The Sea of Ghosts, Hammerfell and High Rock. They would have to deal with their navys as well, leaving time for Skyrim to be warned. Also I think Hammerfell has something like Naval Cannons or something. On the other hand, no one would willingly sail into the Sea of Ghosts

[Bezombia]

Yep. Great huh?


I've once gotten myself hooked on Skooma, and then locked myself up until my character dealt with it.


To be honest, most of the people portrayed are extremists, the Thalmor, the Stormcloaks, the more radical Imperials, are all early-form nationalists. Which in turn makes them assholes.

Why Stormcloaks? How are they extremists? All they want is freedom of religion and foreign invaders out of their land

1: Because they don't care about anything other than winning the war. If they actually gave a damn about Skyrim, they'd realize that the second they force the empire out of Skyrim the Aldmeri Dominion would invade and stop them to dust.
2: "Foreign invaders"? Try "legitimate citizens that just happened to be of a different race". Including you, if you didn't pick Nord when you made your character. They're racist nationalists who cannot and will not accept change.

[Toronina]

Why Stormcloaks? How are they extremists? All they want is freedom of religion and foreign invaders out of their land

1: Because they don't care about anything other than winning the war. If they actually gave a damn about Skyrim, they'd realize that the second they force the empire out of Skyrim the Aldmeri Dominion would invade and stop them to dust.
2: "Foreign invaders"? Try "legitimate citizens that just happened to be of a different race". Including you, if you didn't pick Nord when you made your character. They're racist nationalists who cannot and will not accept change.

So the Aldmeri Dominion are now somehow citizens of Skyrim? There are no racist Stormcloaks in game. Ulfric accepts you no matter what race you are.

I don't think you understand that the Thalmor Navy can't invade?

[Gallade]

I really don't know why people say that without the Empire Skyrim will be invaded by the Thalmor. They can't be invaded by the navy, both sides. The only way would be to take over two whole provinces of Tamriel.

It's not a case of without the Empire, Skyrim will fall. Skyrim isn't even that high on the Thalmor's to-do list; they're currently busy occupying Hammerfell and humiliating Cyrodiil. It's a case of without a United Empire, the Thalmor are going to steamroll across Tamriel. It'll be much easier for them to conquer standalone nations than a united force.

[Toronina]

I really don't know why people say that without the Empire Skyrim will be invaded by the Thalmor. They can't be invaded by the navy, both sides. The only way would be to take over two whole provinces of Tamriel.

It's not a case of without the Empire, Skyrim will fall. Skyrim isn't even that high on the Thalmor's to-do list; they're currently busy occupying Hammerfell and humiliating Cyrodiil. It's a case of without a United Empire, the Thalmor are going to steamroll across Tamriel. It'll be much easier for them to conquer standalone nations than a united force.

You assume they all have foresight. The Empire is dieing and trying to drag others down with it.

It also assumes that Tamriel won't unite together again when the Thalmor start Steamrolling. High Rock has barely taken any Casultys. If someone tried to get others to defeat the Thalmor it would most likely succeed

[Bezombia]

1: Because they don't care about anything other than winning the war. If they actually gave a damn about Skyrim, they'd realize that the second they force the empire out of Skyrim the Aldmeri Dominion would invade and stop them to dust.
2: "Foreign invaders"? Try "legitimate citizens that just happened to be of a different race". Including you, if you didn't pick Nord when you made your character. They're racist nationalists who cannot and will not accept change.

So the Aldmeri Dominion are now somehow citizens of Skyrim? There are no racist Stormcloaks in game. Ulfric accepts you no matter what race you are.

I don't think you understand that the Thalmor Navy can't invade?

1: No, they aren't. However, Bretons, Redguards, Khajiit, Argonians, Dunmer, Altmer, Bosmer, Orismer, etc. etc. etc. are. Ulfric wants them all out.
2: I'd be willing to say that 99% of stormcloaks are racist. Seriously, didn't you hear the story about the Nord tribes in Eastmarch? Ulfric only cares about Nords.
3: Ulfric accepts you because you're the dragonborn.
4: Yes, yes they can. They can't if the empire wins because of the White-Gold Concordat, but if Skyrim suceeds and is no longer part of the Tamriellic Empire they the Dominion has the freedom to invade and they would.
Seriously, this is all written down in game. Didn't you read the secret note in the Thalmor Embassy? How the Dominion is secretly supporting Ulfric so they can weaken Skyrim to invade it later?