Skyrim

[Eastern Denmark]

I actually had a funny glitch not too long ago during the Companions questline. During Kodlak's funeral, he was positioned incorrectly on the pyre, his top half was INSIDE of it and his legs were sticking out the top of it. Best part is that his legs kept twitching. Funniest funeral ever.

During the College questline, Savos Aren died, and I tried to search his corpse, and he talked.

Dragonborn: Ooooh, 30 gold Cha-Ching, and college robes, I'll just take those
Savos:wait, what are you doing?PUT MY CLOTHES BACK ON ME!!!
Dragonborn: Ahh!! I thought you were dead
Savos: I am. Now Give. me. Back. My. Clothes
Dragonborn: wait you're dead,great! (equips necromancy spell)
Savos: don't you dare!
Dragonborn casts spell
Savos: uhhhh
Dragonborn: to the labyrinthian!

[Starkiller101]

So, can we post things about the other games such as Oblivion?

[Tano]

So, can we post things about the other games such as Oblivion?

Uhh...if it somehow ties in to skyrim? The entire thread is named "skyrim", and although it has gotten offtopic to other games in the series, I feel we should stick to the point of the thread

*also no me gusta Oblivion

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

Oblivion's awesome.

[Bezombia]

Oblivion is better than Skyrim, but Skyrim's combat is miles above Oblivion's.

[Phocidaea]

I got a telekinesis mod and it might be the single best one I ever got, outclassing even the My Little Pony armor mod. Flinging people into the stratosphere is fun.

As for Oblivion, I agree that the gameplay was better than Skyrim, and that the combat was worse. However, I personally dislike Oblivion's graphics, and it's not because Skyrim set the bar so high - Morrowind's graphics are also better despite being technically inferior. It's because Oblivion tried too hard and fell into the uncanny valley, especially with the characters - the speaking mouth animations give me nightmares.

[Cyrisnia]

Oblivion is better than Skyrim, but Skyrim's combat is miles above Oblivion's.

Agreed.
Especially the character creator.
God, I love that thing so much.

[Bezombia]

Oblivion is better than Skyrim, but Skyrim's combat is miles above Oblivion's.

Agreed.
Especially the character creator.
God, I love that thing so much.

Same here.

[Spoder]

Oblivion is better than Skyrim, but Skyrim's combat is miles above Oblivion's.

>Implies Skyrim combat is good, when it is awkward and clumsy.

[Bezombia]

Oblivion is better than Skyrim, but Skyrim's combat is miles above Oblivion's.

>Implies Skyrim combat is good, when it is awkward and clumsy.

Have you ever played Oblivion?
Because once you have, Skyrim's combat feels as smooth as butter.

[Tano]

Oblivion is better than Skyrim, but Skyrim's combat is miles above Oblivion's.

Oblivion was meh, Skyrim was a little above average but nothing too special, and Morrowind trupms all.

I mean, Oblivion got some things right, but overall I enjoyed it the least.

[Spoder]

Bethesda's RPGs are pretty good, but let's be honest.

They can't even come close to the realm of BioWare.

[Bezombia]

Bethesda's RPGs are pretty good, but let's be honest.

They can't even come close to the realm of BioWare.

If I wanted to watch a game I'd play COD.

[Spoder]

Bethesda's RPGs are pretty good, but let's be honest.

They can't even come close to the realm of BioWare.

If I wanted to watch a game I'd play COD.

More like:

"If I wanted an open-ended, open-world RPG with some of the most lovable characters ever I would play Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn, Neverwinter Nights, Neverwinter Nights 2, Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect 3, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, Dragon Age, Dragon Age II, Dragon Age Origins."

[Bezombia]

If I wanted to watch a game I'd play COD.

More like:

"If I wanted an open-ended, open-world RPG with some of the most lovable characters ever I would play Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn, Neverwinter Nights, Neverwinter Nights 2, Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect 3, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, Dragon Age, Dragon Age II, Dragon Age Origins."

Putting Dragon Age and Mass Effect on the same level as Morrowind and Oblivion is like putting Super Noah's Ark 3D on the same level as Doom.

[Spoder]

More like:

"If I wanted an open-ended, open-world RPG with some of the most lovable characters ever I would play Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn, Neverwinter Nights, Neverwinter Nights 2, Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect 3, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, Dragon Age, Dragon Age II, Dragon Age Origins."

Putting Dragon Age and Mass Effect on the same level as Morrowind and Oblivion is like putting Super Noah's Ark 3D on the same level as Doom.

Ah-buh-buh-buh!

Have you played Mass Effect?

[Bezombia]

Putting Dragon Age and Mass Effect on the same level as Morrowind and Oblivion is like putting Super Noah's Ark 3D on the same level as Doom.

Ah-buh-buh-buh!

Have you played Mass Effect?

Hell yeah I have. Enjoyed them, too.
They were fun games. But they weren't deep at all. They also managed to make an open game extremely linear. They valued narrative way too much. And ME3? TPS, not an RPG. It's a pretty damn good TPS, but it's no more of an RPG than Borderlands is.


But, despite how fun they are, they aren't good as WRPGs. They don't have the deep and complex worlds that TES does, the constantly evolving state of beings, and the massive scale of events that TES shows you first hand. It's just running away from apocalypses over and over again.

That's what makes The Elder Scrolls such a good series. I mean, really, look at it. The combat sucks, the UI is terrible, the characters are whiny shits and there's literally no character development.
But if you go behind that, see what really makes it all drive? That's when you get into why TES is fundamentally a better RPG than those Bioware games.

For example, please answer this question:

In the Mass Effect world, what created the universe?

[Spoder]

Ah-buh-buh-buh!

Have you played Mass Effect?

Hell yeah I have. Enjoyed them, too.
They were fun games. But they weren't deep at all. They also managed to make an open game extremely linear. They valued narrative way too much. And ME3? TPS, not an RPG. It's a pretty damn good TPS, but it's no more of an RPG than Borderlands is.


But, despite how fun they are, they aren't good as WRPGs. They don't have the deep and complex worlds that TES does, the constantly evolving state of beings, and the massive scale of events that TES shows you first hand. It's just running away from apocalypses over and over again.

That's what makes The Elder Scrolls such a good series. I mean, really, look at it. The combat sucks, the UI is terrible, the characters are whiny shits and there's literally no character development.
But if you go behind that, see what really makes it all drive? That's when you get into why TES is fundamentally a better RPG than those Bioware games.

For example, please answer this question:

In the Mass Effect world, what created the universe?

The Mass Effect world is our Milky Way galaxy, so it would be up to your personal beliefs.

BioWare's RPGs are always of a much larger scale (Instead of confining you to one condensed "map" filled with loading screens, there's usually a large number of areas with as much space in them as a TES "map"), and I have yet to witness an RPG not made by BioWare that has the same level of immersion.

You can connect with characters, you can be passionate about characters, you can actually give a fuck for them!

In TES, you just run around doing random shit, never connecting with your companions, or other influential characters.

Mass Effect? Every time I see that little red X next to Wrex's empty health bar, I die a little inside.

Neverwinter Nights 2? KHELGAR, YOU DA MAN! CMAWN QUARA, BURN THOSE ASSHOLES! QUARA, NO!!!! WHY DO YOU HAVE SUCH LITTLE HEALTH?

TES games: Oh hi Lydia. GTFO my way. Kthx bye.

I care about what happens in the universe when I play ME, or NWN.

I really couldn't give a fuck in TES games.

[Bezombia]

Hell yeah I have. Enjoyed them, too.
They were fun games. But they weren't deep at all. They also managed to make an open game extremely linear. They valued narrative way too much. And ME3? TPS, not an RPG. It's a pretty damn good TPS, but it's no more of an RPG than Borderlands is.


But, despite how fun they are, they aren't good as WRPGs. They don't have the deep and complex worlds that TES does, the constantly evolving state of beings, and the massive scale of events that TES shows you first hand. It's just running away from apocalypses over and over again.

That's what makes The Elder Scrolls such a good series. I mean, really, look at it. The combat sucks, the UI is terrible, the characters are whiny shits and there's literally no character development.
But if you go behind that, see what really makes it all drive? That's when you get into why TES is fundamentally a better RPG than those Bioware games.

For example, please answer this question:

In the Mass Effect world, what created the universe?

The Mass Effect world is our Milky Way galaxy, so it would be up to your personal beliefs.

BioWare's RPGs are always of a much larger scale (Instead of confining you to one condensed "map" filled with loading screens, there's usually a large number of areas with as much space in them as a TES "map"), and I have yet to witness an RPG not made by BioWare that has the same level of immersion.

You can connect with characters, you can be passionate about characters, you can actually give a fuck for them!

In TES, you just run around doing random shit, never connecting with your companions, or other influential characters.

Mass Effect? Every time I see that little red X next to Wrex's empty health bar, I die a little inside.

Neverwinter Nights 2? KHELGAR, YOU DA MAN! CMAWN QUARA, BURN THOSE ASSHOLES! QUARA, NO!!!! WHY DO YOU HAVE SUCH LITTLE HEALTH?

TES games: Oh hi Lydia. GTFO my way. Kthx bye.

I care about what happens in the universe when I play ME, or NWN.

I really couldn't give a fuck in TES games.

1: Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame. 1/10 for the thought, Bioware. TES has mapped out basically every single event since the dawn of creation, and none of it was blatantly copypasted from real life (or even other historical works, although some of it is loosely inspired by D&D)

2: By "scale" I don't mean the physical size of the game world. I mean the level on which what you do actually matters. Sure stopping the reapers is important and all, but what about reverting a dragon-break that, if left alone, will literally tear apart reality as we know it, and erase everything that ever existed? Or how the death of a single man basically lead to the TES equivalent of hell invading the TES equivalent of earth, bent on enslaving everything that has ever lived?

3: If you need a story to make you feel a connection with characters, you might as well be playing Final Fantasy. Actually, scratch that, FFI did this better than ME did. In TES you aren't playing as your character, you are your character. ME doesn't let you do this at all. Hell, ME doesn't even let you change your last name ffs.

4: Neverwinter Nights and Baldur's Gate fell to the same problem ME did. They had no depth. They were good games, great games really, but most of it was just copy/pasted from D&D.

5: See #3. TES isn't supposed to be just plowed through like ME is. There's a reason the game lets you out into the world so early on, it's basically expected that you won't even finish the five hour long main story until you're 200+ hours in.

[Tano]

Hell yeah I have. Enjoyed them, too.
They were fun games. But they weren't deep at all. They also managed to make an open game extremely linear. They valued narrative way too much. And ME3? TPS, not an RPG. It's a pretty damn good TPS, but it's no more of an RPG than Borderlands is.


But, despite how fun they are, they aren't good as WRPGs. They don't have the deep and complex worlds that TES does, the constantly evolving state of beings, and the massive scale of events that TES shows you first hand. It's just running away from apocalypses over and over again.

That's what makes The Elder Scrolls such a good series. I mean, really, look at it. The combat sucks, the UI is terrible, the characters are whiny shits and there's literally no character development.
But if you go behind that, see what really makes it all drive? That's when you get into why TES is fundamentally a better RPG than those Bioware games.

For example, please answer this question:

In the Mass Effect world, what created the universe?

The Mass Effect world is our Milky Way galaxy, so it would be up to your personal beliefs.

BioWare's RPGs are always of a much larger scale (Instead of confining you to one condensed "map" filled with loading screens, there's usually a large number of areas with as much space in them as a TES "map"), and I have yet to witness an RPG not made by BioWare that has the same level of immersion.

You can connect with characters, you can be passionate about characters, you can actually give a fuck for them!

In TES, you just run around doing random shit, never connecting with your companions, or other influential characters.

Mass Effect? Every time I see that little red X next to Wrex's empty health bar, I die a little inside.

Neverwinter Nights 2? KHELGAR, YOU DA MAN! CMAWN QUARA, BURN THOSE ASSHOLES! QUARA, NO!!!! WHY DO YOU HAVE SUCH LITTLE HEALTH?

TES games: Oh hi Lydia. GTFO my way. Kthx bye.

I care about what happens in the universe when I play ME, or NWN.

I really couldn't give a fuck in TES games.

Cool. Not sure why you need to make this point in this thread for no apparent reason. Rile up people?

[Phocidaea]

The Mass Effect world is our Milky Way galaxy, so it would be up to your personal beliefs.

BioWare's RPGs are always of a much larger scale (Instead of confining you to one condensed "map" filled with loading screens, there's usually a large number of areas with as much space in them as a TES "map"), and I have yet to witness an RPG not made by BioWare that has the same level of immersion.

You can connect with characters, you can be passionate about characters, you can actually give a fuck for them!

In TES, you just run around doing random shit, never connecting with your companions, or other influential characters.

Mass Effect? Every time I see that little red X next to Wrex's empty health bar, I die a little inside.

Neverwinter Nights 2? KHELGAR, YOU DA MAN! CMAWN QUARA, BURN THOSE ASSHOLES! QUARA, NO!!!! WHY DO YOU HAVE SUCH LITTLE HEALTH?

TES games: Oh hi Lydia. GTFO my way. Kthx bye.

I care about what happens in the universe when I play ME, or NWN.

I really couldn't give a fuck in TES games.

1: Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame. 1/10 for the thought, Bioware. TES has mapped out basically every single event since the dawn of creation, and none of it was blatantly copypasted from real life (or even other historical works, although some of it is loosely inspired by D&D)

2: By "scale" I don't mean the physical size of the game world. I mean the level on which what you do actually matters. Sure stopping the reapers is important and all, but what about reverting a dragon-break that, if left alone, will literally tear apart reality as we know it, and erase everything that ever existed? Or how the death of a single man basically lead to the TES equivalent of hell invading the TES equivalent of earth, bent on enslaving everything that has ever lived?

3: If you need a story to make you feel a connection with characters, you might as well be playing Final Fantasy. Actually, scratch that, FFI did this better than ME did. In TES you aren't playing as your character, you are your character. ME doesn't let you do this at all. Hell, ME doesn't even let you change your last name ffs.

4: Neverwinter Nights and Baldur's Gate fell to the same problem ME did. They had no depth. They were good games, great games really, but most of it was just copy/pasted from D&D.

5: See #3. TES isn't supposed to be just plowed through like ME is. There's a reason the game lets you out into the world so early on, it's basically expected that you won't even finish the five hour long main story until you're 200+ hours in.

Can confirm the 200+ hour thing. I actually defeated Alduin right around the 200 hour mark.

Granted, by that time I had beaten the Dark Brotherhood, College of Winterhold, Civil War, Dawnguard and Dragonborn questlines plus two brand-new-area mods and was a thane in four holds with a net worth of ~200k. Still, I haven't done everything yet.

[Spoder]

The Mass Effect world is our Milky Way galaxy, so it would be up to your personal beliefs.

BioWare's RPGs are always of a much larger scale (Instead of confining you to one condensed "map" filled with loading screens, there's usually a large number of areas with as much space in them as a TES "map"), and I have yet to witness an RPG not made by BioWare that has the same level of immersion.

You can connect with characters, you can be passionate about characters, you can actually give a fuck for them!

In TES, you just run around doing random shit, never connecting with your companions, or other influential characters.

Mass Effect? Every time I see that little red X next to Wrex's empty health bar, I die a little inside.

Neverwinter Nights 2? KHELGAR, YOU DA MAN! CMAWN QUARA, BURN THOSE ASSHOLES! QUARA, NO!!!! WHY DO YOU HAVE SUCH LITTLE HEALTH?

TES games: Oh hi Lydia. GTFO my way. Kthx bye.

I care about what happens in the universe when I play ME, or NWN.

I really couldn't give a fuck in TES games.

1: Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame. 1/10 for the thought, Bioware. TES has mapped out basically every single event since the dawn of creation, and none of it was blatantly copypasted from real life (or even other historical works, although some of it is loosely inspired by D&D)

2: By "scale" I don't mean the physical size of the game world. I mean the level on which what you do actually matters. Sure stopping the reapers is important and all, but what about reverting a dragon-break that, if left alone, will literally tear apart reality as we know it, and erase everything that ever existed? Or how the death of a single man basically lead to the TES equivalent of hell invading the TES equivalent of earth, bent on enslaving everything that has ever lived?

3: If you need a story to make you feel a connection with characters, you might as well be playing Final Fantasy. Actually, scratch that, FFI did this better than ME did. In TES you aren't playing as your character, you are your character. ME doesn't let you do this at all. Hell, ME doesn't even let you change your last name ffs.

4: Neverwinter Nights and Baldur's Gate fell to the same problem ME did. They had no depth. They were good games, great games really, but most of it was just copy/pasted from D&D.

5: See #3. TES isn't supposed to be just plowed through like ME is. There's a reason the game lets you out into the world so early on, it's basically expected that you won't even finish the five hour long main story until you're 200+ hours in.

1. So Mass Effect is bad because it happens in the Milky Way Galaxy.

2. The Reapers have been around for a couple billion years, and leave behind technology each time they feed so that races become advanced enough for them to feed again. If Shepard dies, every species is harvested.

3. When do you not need the characters to have an in-depth backstory, and a complex personality for you to be able to connect with them?

4. Umm...what the fuck. Like seriously. Do you even know...holy fucking shit, don't. Just don't.

5. See, if it weren't for random encounters then TES games would have maybe 20 hours in them per playthrough.

Beno, my official advice Is for you to not become a game critic.

You don't really know what constitutes RPGs.

Both authors and major publishers of tabletop role-playing games consider them to be a form of interactive and collaborative storytelling.[2][10][11] Events, characters, and narrative structure give a sense of a narrative experience, and the game need not have a strongly-defined storyline.[12] Interactivity is the crucial difference between role-playing games and traditional fiction. Whereas a viewer of a television show is a passive observer, a player in a role-playing game makes choices that affect the story.[13] Such role-playing games extend an older tradition of storytelling games where a small party of friends collaborate to create a story.

While simple forms of role-playing exist in traditional children's games of make believe, role-playing games add a level of sophistication and persistence to this basic idea with additions such as game facilitators and rules of interaction. Participants in a role-playing game will generate specific characters and an ongoing plot. A consistent system of rules and a more or less realistic campaign setting in games aids suspension of disbelief. The level of realism in games ranges from just enough internal consistency to set up a believable story or credible challenge up to full-blown simulations of real-world processes.

1. The first Mass Effect does not have a strongly defined storyline, and the later games are each built on the prior events.

2. TES =\= interactive

3. BioWare games = VERY INTERACTIVE.

In what TES games do your decisions influence the story?

In what TES games do characters have any sort of a structure?

[Spoder]

The Mass Effect world is our Milky Way galaxy, so it would be up to your personal beliefs.

BioWare's RPGs are always of a much larger scale (Instead of confining you to one condensed "map" filled with loading screens, there's usually a large number of areas with as much space in them as a TES "map"), and I have yet to witness an RPG not made by BioWare that has the same level of immersion.

You can connect with characters, you can be passionate about characters, you can actually give a fuck for them!

In TES, you just run around doing random shit, never connecting with your companions, or other influential characters.

Mass Effect? Every time I see that little red X next to Wrex's empty health bar, I die a little inside.

Neverwinter Nights 2? KHELGAR, YOU DA MAN! CMAWN QUARA, BURN THOSE ASSHOLES! QUARA, NO!!!! WHY DO YOU HAVE SUCH LITTLE HEALTH?

TES games: Oh hi Lydia. GTFO my way. Kthx bye.

I care about what happens in the universe when I play ME, or NWN.

I really couldn't give a fuck in TES games.

Cool. Not sure why you need to make this point in this thread for no apparent reason. Rile up people?

I thought we were allowed to have debates in NSG?

[Bezombia]

Cool. Not sure why you need to make this point in this thread for no apparent reason. Rile up people?

I thought we were allowed to have debates in NSG?

This isn't NSG.

[Spoder]

I thought we were allowed to have debates in NSG?

This isn't NSG.

Well it's NSGDA&F.

But I think there isn't a rule against debates.