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by **Transoxthraxia** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:59 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Transoxthraxia wrote:I know. Strategically, the Stormcloaks made a huge mistake attacking Whiterun, because not only did their attack fail, but they lost the city's neutrality, and along with it the massive strategic and tactical value to the Imperials.

Not to mention the dozens of men and women they lost in it as well, knocking a massive dent into their manpower.

Yeah, I was fitting resources into strategic value. But yeah, basically.

by **Stormhound** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:21 pm

Constaniana wrote:
Transoxthraxia wrote:IMO he's the only Jarl with flavour in Vanilla. Except for the two in Falkreath. And if I remember correctly (Which I may not), did he not end up throwing his lot in with the Imperials only after he was attacked by the Stormcloaks for trying to stay neutral?

Yeah, because he didn't want legionnaires in his city imposing martial law, and possibly because he didn't want a heavier imperial presence squashing out the unofficial Talos worship going on.

I think Balgruuf was the most reasonable Jarl. Most of the Imperial Jarls (barring Maven Blackbriar.) are reasonable.

There's a lot of things to like and dislike about Ulfric, but some of his actions can be detestable. When there's a Dragon Crisis, and the Dovahkiin has a meeting on High Hrothgar, he uses it as a means of gaining more land. Also, him using the Shout on Torygg was unfair.

Both the Imperials and Stormcloaks have their assholes though. The Imperials have Maven Blackbriar, who almost convinced me to defect to the Stormcloaks. The Stormcloaks have the Silver-Blood family, which convinced me to re-defect to the Imperials.

by **Transoxthraxia** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:24 pm

Stormhound wrote:
Constaniana wrote:Yeah, because he didn't want legionnaires in his city imposing martial law, and possibly because he didn't want a heavier imperial presence squashing out the unofficial Talos worship going on.

I think Balgruuf was the most reasonable Jarl. Most of the Imperial Jarls (barring Maven Blackbriar.) are reasonable.

There's a lot of things to like and dislike about Ulfric, but some of his actions can be detestable. When there's a Dragon Crisis, and the Dovahkiin has a meeting on High Hrothgar, he uses it as a means of gaining more land. Also, him using the Shout on Torygg was unfair.

Both the Imperials and Stormcloaks have their assholes though. The Imperials have Maven Blackbriar, who almost convinced me to defect to the Stormcloaks. The Stormcloaks have the Silver-Blood family, which convinced me to re-defect to the Imperials.

Who are the Silver-Bloods? (I've never even bothered to side with the Stormcloaks)

by **Marsisian** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:28 pm

Imperials. Just Imperials. Stormcloaks suck.

by **Gallup** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:34 pm

Free-Winter is the best Jarl.

by **Constaniana** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:41 pm

Transoxthraxia wrote:
Stormhound wrote:
I think Balgruuf was the most reasonable Jarl. Most of the Imperial Jarls (barring Maven Blackbriar.) are reasonable.

There's a lot of things to like and dislike about Ulfric, but some of his actions can be detestable. When there's a Dragon Crisis, and the Dovahkiin has a meeting on High Hrothgar, he uses it as a means of gaining more land. Also, him using the Shout on Torygg was unfair.

Both the Imperials and Stormcloaks have their assholes though. The Imperials have Maven Blackbriar, who almost convinced me to defect to the Stormcloaks. The Stormcloaks have the Silver-Blood family, which convinced me to re-defect to the Imperials.

Who are the Silver-Bloods? (I've never even bothered to side with the Stormcloaks)

Unofficial ruling family of Markath, like the Black-Briars in Riften. They make the city's prisoners work in the silver mine they own and had the king of the Forsworn spared from execution so they could use him and his soldiers to kill troublemakers and their enemies.

by **Gallup** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:04 pm

It's funny how, even though I fought for the empire, I probably did more damage to it than the Stormcloaks could have by killing the Emperor in Hail Sithis!. Oops.

by **Phocidaea** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:21 pm

I've basically come to playing as a anarchist psychopathic killer who goes out at night and kills guards (no civilians). Tracking down the last one who witnessed the killing is a game of its own

by **Stormhound** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:27 pm

Constaniana wrote:
Transoxthraxia wrote:Who are the Silver-Bloods? (I've never even bothered to side with the Stormcloaks)

Unofficial ruling family of Markath, like the Black-Briars in Riften. They make the city's prisoners work in the silver mine they own and had the king of the Forsworn spared from execution so they could use him and his soldiers to kill troublemakers and their enemies.

I enjoyed finishing that quest with the Forsworn. Turns out the Silver-Blood don't live up to their surname.

by **Starkiller101** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:31 pm

Marsisian wrote:Imperials. Just Imperials. Stormcloaks suck.

They both suck Love live the the Thalmor JK.

by **Stormhound** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:54 pm

Starkiller101 wrote:
Marsisian wrote:Imperials. Just Imperials. Stormcloaks suck.
They both suck Love live the the Thalmor JK.

Maybe I'm being racist, but the Thalmor reminded me of WW2 Japan. "Elvish Unity" reminds me a whole lot of the "East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere."

by **Transoxthraxia** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:01 am

Stormhound wrote:
Starkiller101 wrote:They both suck Love live the the Thalmor JK.

Maybe I'm being racist, but the Thalmor reminded me of WW2 Japan. "Elvish Unity" reminds me a whole lot of the "East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere."

Oh yeah, I actually made a similar connection. However, the Empire, if I'm not wrong, claimed something similar regarding Men.

by **Tovoria** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:59 am

Stormhound wrote:
Starkiller101 wrote:They both suck Love live the the Thalmor JK.

Maybe I'm being racist, but the Thalmor reminded me of WW2 Japan. "Elvish Unity" reminds me a whole lot of the "East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere."

They are more like Nazi Germany, with their genocidal conquest of kingdoms, focus on Elvish "purity" and eugenics, and overall sense of arrogance and supremacy.

by **Stormhound** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:11 pm

Tovoria wrote:
Stormhound wrote:
Maybe I'm being racist, but the Thalmor reminded me of WW2 Japan. "Elvish Unity" reminds me a whole lot of the "East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere."

They are more like Nazi Germany, with their genocidal conquest of kingdoms, focus on Elvish "purity" and eugenics, and overall sense of arrogance and supremacy.

That was WW2 Japan wrapped up in a nutshell. The authors of the Co-Prosperity Sphere claimed that it's goals were to create a free East Asia, unexploited by the Colonial Powers of the West. In reality this meant Japan mass enslaving large portions of East Asia.

The Thalmor want Elvish Unity against man, but they still mistreat other Non-Altmer elves (if I remember correctly.) and view them as inferior.

by **Stormhound** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:15 pm

Transoxthraxia wrote:
Stormhound wrote:
Maybe I'm being racist, but the Thalmor reminded me of WW2 Japan. "Elvish Unity" reminds me a whole lot of the "East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere."

Oh yeah, I actually made a similar connection. However, the Empire, if I'm not wrong, claimed something similar regarding Men.

Nah. At least, not from what I've seen in the game. They're based on the Roman Empire (made even more blatant in Skyrim, going from a wink*wink-nudge*nudge to "Get it, get it? They're based on Romans!") and essentially don't care what race you are. As long as you fight for the Empire.

by **Umbra Ac Silentium** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:21 pm

Demontopia wrote:
Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:That's not really saying much? You can beat oblivion at level one. Skyrim is even shorter, all things considered.

You have to be level two to get Azures star. And can we stop talking about Oblivion? Good game but... the thread is about SKYRIM

What does Azura's star have to do with anything, though?

by **Lunas Legion** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:18 pm

Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:
Demontopia wrote:You have to be level two to get Azures star. And can we stop talking about Oblivion? Good game but... the thread is about SKYRIM

What does Azura's star have to do with anything, though?

In Oblivion you need a Daedric artifact to complete the main quest.

by **Esternial** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:23 pm

Ah, Dawnbreaker.

I love how you can get two of them in-game and dual wield them.

by **Lunas Legion** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:24 pm

Esternial wrote:Ah, Dawnbreaker.

I love how you can get two of them in-game and dual wield them.

I personally preferred Mephala's sword, can't remember the name though.

by **Esternial** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:25 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
Esternial wrote:Ah, Dawnbreaker.

I love how you can get two of them in-game and dual wield them.

I personally preferred Mephala's sword, can't remember the name though.

Ah yeah, the katana.

by **Gallup** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:26 am

Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:
Demontopia wrote:You have to be level two to get Azures star. And can we stop talking about Oblivion? Good game but... the thread is about SKYRIM

What does Azura's star have to do with anything, though?

Question time: Black star of White star?

by **Umbra Ac Silentium** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:41 am

Lunas Legion wrote:
Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:What does Azura's star have to do with anything, though?

In Oblivion you need a Daedric artifact to complete the main quest.

You can get the masque of clavidius vile at level one, though.

by **Gallup** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:44 am

Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
In Oblivion you need a Daedric artifact to complete the main quest.

You can get the masque of clavidius vile at level one, though.

It's pretty lame.

by **Umbra Ac Silentium** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:49 am

Gallup wrote:
Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:You can get the masque of clavidius vile at level one, though.

It's pretty lame.

Yeah, but that doesn't change the ability to use it to complete the main quest.

by **Gallup** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:33 am

Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:
Gallup wrote:It's pretty lame.

Yeah, but that doesn't change the ability to use it to complete the main quest.

I guess. My favs are The Mace of Molag Bal and the Sanguine Rose.

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