The (Regenerated) Doctor Who Discussion Thread

[The Romulan Republic]

I don't think they're lame even now. Some of their episodes are better written than others, but the Angels are still interesting and scary. Basically, they're the only Doctor Who monsters I'd put on par with the Daleks. Well, them and rogue Time Lords like Rassilon and the Master.

They were scary. Once. Then they kept popping back up, developing retarded new powers, and turning into generic slasher villains basically.

If they were generic slasher villains, I don't think I'd like them.

What new powers do you object to?

I didn't really mind the image becoming an Angel thing or the thing where they got inside peoples' minds or the thing where they impersonated the voices of the dead, and those are the only new powers I can think of. I don't think those things were great additions, but I didn't really mind them.

[Ameriganastan]

If they were generic slasher villains, I don't think I'd like them.

Hate to break it to you, but they pretty much are. They went from "Send you back in time" to "Gleefully fuck with you and snap your neck".

What new powers do you object to?

Anything after the first episode.

[Eastfield Lodge]

If they were generic slasher villains, I don't think I'd like them.

Hate to break it to you, but they pretty much are. They went from "Send you back in time" to "Gleefully fuck with you and snap your neck".

What new powers do you object to?

Anything after the first episode.

Barring the god-awful Statue of Liberty angel, Angels Take Manhattan was pretty much as good as Blink in terms of angels.

[Ameriganastan]

Hate to break it to you, but they pretty much are. They went from "Send you back in time" to "Gleefully fuck with you and snap your neck".


Anything after the first episode.

Barring the god-awful Statue of Liberty angel, Angels Take Manhattan was pretty much as good as Blink in terms of angels.

"Angels Take Manhattan" can suck my balls. That episode is crap.

[Chelta]

The Angels are/were a great villain, but it's difficult to find interesting things to do with them after Blink... going "back to basics" with the Angels, i.e. returning to the Blink-esque Angels would probably just be a rehash of Blink, and an inferior one at that, without Sally Sparrow. They should probably be retired for a good long period, at least until something genuinely new and interesting can be found to do with them.

[The Romulan Republic]

I'll agree that Angels Take Manhattan was trash.

Its my biggest argument for sacking Moffat.

[Charellia]

I'll agree that Angels Take Manhattan was trash.

Its my biggest argument for sacking Moffat.

One bad episode isn't much of an argument for sacking a writer, especially since it really isn't that bad when you take into account the quality of non-Doctor Who shows.

Angels Take Manhattan had a lot of problems, of which we are all well aware, but it also had some really good parts. It was bad by Who standards but average at worst in the overall TV landscape.

[The Romulan Republic]

I'll agree that Angels Take Manhattan was trash.

Its my biggest argument for sacking Moffat.

One bad episode isn't much of an argument for sacking a writer, especially since it really isn't that bad when you take into account the quality of non-Doctor Who shows.

I said it was my biggest argument, not my only argument. There are others involving Let's Kill Hitler, The Wedding of River Song, Night of the Doctor, Time of the Doctor...

Shall I go on?

Angels Take Manhattan had a lot of problems, of which we are all well aware, but it also had some really good parts. It was bad by Who standards but average at worst in the overall TV landscape.

There's worse shit on television. But that's hardly an excuse.

[Nationstatelandsville]

Did someone just insult Night of the Doctor?

Because those are fighting words.

[The Romulan Republic]

Did someone just insult Night of the Doctor?

Because those are fighting words.

I recall it being mediocre at best.

Yeah, it introduces the War Doctor and has Vastra's group, but what else about it is any good?

Though to be fair, I haven't seen it for a while.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Did someone just insult Night of the Doctor?

Because those are fighting words.

I recall it being mediocre at best.

Yeah, it introduces the War Doctor and has Vastra's group, but what else about it is any good?

Though to be fair, I haven't seen it for a while.

That's Name of the Doctor, Series 7 finale. Night of the Doctor was a minisode broadcast a few days before Day of the Doctor, and featured Eighth's regeneration into the War Doctor.

[The Romulan Republic]

I recall it being mediocre at best.

Yeah, it introduces the War Doctor and has Vastra's group, but what else about it is any good?

Though to be fair, I haven't seen it for a while.

That's Name of the Doctor, Series 7 finale. Night of the Doctor was a minisode broadcast a few days before Day of the Doctor, and featured Eighth's regeneration into the War Doctor.

Oh damn. You're right.

Night of the Doctor is the short with McGann, isn't it? Yes, that was good.

I really, really want McGann to appear in a full episode. A multi-Doctor episode with Capaldi. I think they'd go well together. Being such different versions of the Doctor would make an interesting contrast.

[Nationstatelandsville]

I recall it being mediocre at best.

Yeah, it introduces the War Doctor and has Vastra's group, but what else about it is any good?

Though to be fair, I haven't seen it for a while.

That's Name of the Doctor, Series 7 finale. Night of the Doctor was a minisode broadcast a few days before Day of the Doctor, and featured Eighth's regeneration into the War Doctor.

Name is also awesome because of GALLIFREY! and Matt's fantastic performance throughout.

I also have a great love for Richard E. Grant, as an aside.

[The Romulan Republic]

Okay, Gallifrey was nice, but we got much more where that came from in Day of the Doctor.

[Nationstatelandsville]

Okay, Gallifrey was nice, but we got much more where that came from in Day of the Doctor.

I mean, I won't pretend Name was the most significant episodes of the show's history, but it was definitely one of my favorite and in my opinion, one of the most powerful.

But Day makes everything else look like shit, so that's not fair.

[The Romulan Republic]

Okay, Gallifrey was nice, but we got much more where that came from in Day of the Doctor.

I mean, I won't pretend Name was the most significant episodes of the show's history, but it was definitely one of my favorite and in my opinion, one of the most powerful.

But Day makes everything else look like shit, so that's not fair.

Day of the Doctor has its flaws. While Clara is more tolerable than some times, she's still Clara, and some of the plot is a bit shaky. Also there's some stuff with the Moment that I don't really care for.

But what puts it near the top is the way it somehow to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary in a way that mostly did justice to the show's vast past while still moving forward into the future. Its probably the closest we've ever had to taking all of Doctor Who's history and condensing it into a single movie. That's a hell of a feat. Really, while you'll appreciate the episode far more if you're familiar with the show, I think you could watch that episode alone and know pretty much all you need to know about Doctor Who.

It also gives us our first in-depth look at the Time War in the show and makes a great resolution to that long and epic arc (which is ruined by Time of the Doctor).

[Charellia]

One bad episode isn't much of an argument for sacking a writer, especially since it really isn't that bad when you take into account the quality of non-Doctor Who shows.

I said it was my biggest argument, not my only argument. There are others involving Let's Kill Hitler, The Wedding of River Song, Night of the Doctor, Time of the Doctor...

Shall I go on?

Angels Take Manhattan had a lot of problems, of which we are all well aware, but it also had some really good parts. It was bad by Who standards but average at worst in the overall TV landscape.

There's worse shit on television. But that's hardly an excuse.

None of those episodes were actually bad though. I'm not just talking about the fact that there are worse shows, but that every single episode of has strong redeeming qualities. I won't pretend that most of the episodes you listed don't have major flaws, but the episodes are still perfectly enjoyable.

Besides, there have been much, much worse episodes pre-Moffat. Pick an episode in Series 2 at random and there's a good chance that it will be worse than any of the episodes you listed.

[Ameriganastan]

Besides, there have been much, much worse episodes pre-Moffat. Pick an episode in Series 2 at random and there's a good chance that it will be worse than any of the episodes you listed.

I think season 2 gets a bad rap. Yeah, it had those complete clunkers named "Love And Monsters" and "Fear Her". And "The Idiots Lantern" to some. But other than those, it was pretty good.

[Charellia]

Besides, there have been much, much worse episodes pre-Moffat. Pick an episode in Series 2 at random and there's a good chance that it will be worse than any of the episodes you listed.

I think season 2 gets a bad rap. Yeah, it had those complete clunkers named "Love And Monsters" and "Fear Her". And "The Idiots Lantern" to some. But other than those, it was pretty good.

There has never been a bad season since the reboot in my personal opinion, but Series 2 is kind of forgettable. There were a couple great episodes and a couple notorious episodes but most episodes were perfectly good, yet unremarkable.

Say what you will about Moffat, none of his episodes were forgettable and event the worst ones had something positive to make them stand out.

[Nationstatelandsville]

I think season 2 gets a bad rap. Yeah, it had those complete clunkers named "Love And Monsters" and "Fear Her". And "The Idiots Lantern" to some. But other than those, it was pretty good.

There has never been a bad season since the reboot in my personal opinion, but Series 2 is kind of forgettable. There were a couple great episodes and a couple notorious episodes but most episodes were perfectly good, yet unremarkable.

Say what you will about Moffat, none of his episodes were forgettable and event the worst ones had something positive to make them stand out.

Speaking as one who adores Moffat (for the most part -- no man is perfect, and he especially can be over-ambitious or even nonsensical) and loathes RTD (his later work, anyways -- save The Waters of Mars), I can say I detest Series 2.

It wasn't all completely bad, just mostly dull and occasionally infuriating. But this is in retrospect, having started at Series 5 and Series 3 simultaneously (BBC America's schedule is weird).

[Charellia]

There has never been a bad season since the reboot in my personal opinion, but Series 2 is kind of forgettable. There were a couple great episodes and a couple notorious episodes but most episodes were perfectly good, yet unremarkable.

Say what you will about Moffat, none of his episodes were forgettable and event the worst ones had something positive to make them stand out.

Speaking as one who adores Moffat (for the most part -- no man is perfect, and he especially can be over-ambitious or even nonsensical) and loathes RTD (his later work, anyways -- save The Waters of Mars), I can say I detest Series 2.

It wasn't all completely bad, just mostly dull and occasionally infuriating. But this is in retrospect, having started at Series 5 and Series 3 simultaneously (BBC America's schedule is weird).

The Impossible Planet is one of my favourite episodes but the rest of the series is unremarkable. I wouldn't go so far as to call it dull but it did feel like a rehash of Series 1, which was not the strongest season itself.

[Nationstatelandsville]

Speaking as one who adores Moffat (for the most part -- no man is perfect, and he especially can be over-ambitious or even nonsensical) and loathes RTD (his later work, anyways -- save The Waters of Mars), I can say I detest Series 2.

It wasn't all completely bad, just mostly dull and occasionally infuriating. But this is in retrospect, having started at Series 5 and Series 3 simultaneously (BBC America's schedule is weird).

The Impossible Planet is one of my favourite episodes but the rest of the series is unremarkable. I wouldn't go so far as to call it dull but it did feel like a rehash of Series 1, which was not the strongest season itself.

Yeah, it had some good points. As much as I would come to hate the Cybusmen, their first two episodes were OK.

The Impossible Planet kicks ass. The Satan Pit less so, but still good.

[Luxdonia]

I have been watching all the episodes of the modern Doctor Who from Series 1 onwards on ABC 2 in Australia. It's pretty good. Tonight, the Starship UK one will be playing.

[Osnil]

The Impossible Planet is one of my favourite episodes but the rest of the series is unremarkable. I wouldn't go so far as to call it dull but it did feel like a rehash of Series 1, which was not the strongest season itself.

Yeah, it had some good points. As much as I would come to hate the Cybusmen, their first two episodes were OK.

The Impossible Planet kicks ass. The Satan Pit less so, but still good.

The Satan Pit scared me half to death.

[The Floor Kippers]

There has never been a bad season since the reboot in my personal opinion, but Series 2 is kind of forgettable. There were a couple great episodes and a couple notorious episodes but most episodes were perfectly good, yet unremarkable.

Say what you will about Moffat, none of his episodes were forgettable and event the worst ones had something positive to make them stand out.

Speaking as one who adores Moffat (for the most part -- no man is perfect, and he especially can be over-ambitious or even nonsensical) and loathes RTD (his later work, anyways -- save The Waters of Mars), I can say I detest Series 2.

It wasn't all completely bad, just mostly dull and occasionally infuriating. But this is in retrospect, having started at Series 5 and Series 3 simultaneously (BBC America's schedule is weird).

How can you say you detest series 2 yet pass no comment about the abysmal series 3?