Halo vs. Star Wars: Who would win?

[New Naephak]

Or, how about an army of a quintillion droids?

That would need more energy to produce and maintain. That, and if a leader falls, they go crazy.

1) Yeah, and? The GE isn't exactly short on resources. 2) Droids are capable of acting on their own, and more depending on which model we're using.

[Wisconsin9]

Among the millions of worlds the GE controls... first contact might only take away a small percentage before the GE can establish a fairly decent quarantine.

Because containment worked so well for the god like forerunners. Notice how they created a device to destroy life instead of the flood.

And the humans, working with far less advanced technology than the Galactic Empire, created a cure.

[Galnius]

That would need more energy to produce and maintain. That, and if a leader falls, they go crazy.

There are tens of millions of worlds under some form of Imperial control, so unless the Flood can get all of the production worlds and space stations, the droids can still be produced. And no, they don't go crazy, they replace it like every other army at every other point in history does.

The immediate result consists of panic and running into each other confused.

[Galnius]

Because containment worked so well for the god like forerunners. Notice how they created a device to destroy life instead of the flood.

And the humans, working with far less advanced technology than the Galactic Empire, created a cure.

Uhh....when? At the end of HALO 3 they are still affecting humanity.

[Wisconsin9]

And the humans, working with far less advanced technology than the Galactic Empire, created a cure.

Uhh....when? At the end of HALO 3 they are still affecting humanity.

Ancient humanity, if what I've read is correct.

[Galnius]

That would need more energy to produce and maintain. That, and if a leader falls, they go crazy.

1) Yeah, and? The GE isn't exactly short on resources. 2) Droids are capable of acting on their own, and more depending on which model we're using.

To answer one, I was speaking in terms of sections of space. No.shipping could go.in or out without carrying flood.

[Galnius]

Uhh....when? At the end of HALO 3 they are still affecting humanity.

Ancient humanity, if what I've read is correct.

Again, if it worked humans would not be effected. They still are.

[Wisconsin9]

Ancient humanity, if what I've read is correct.

Again, if it worked humans would not be effected. They still are.

The cure was destroyed by the humans at the end of the Human-Forerunner War, to spite them, and then the Forerunners devolved humanity without knowing about it.

EDIT: Alright, so it wasn't really a cure, but they still sent the Flood running with their tails between their legs.

[Galnius]

Again, if it worked humans would not be effected. They still are.

The cure was destroyed by the humans at the end of the Human-Forerunner War, to spite them, and then the Forerunners devolved humanity without knowing about it.

It worked 100%? You cannot cure parasites or viruses. They mutate to compensate. That is why vaccines occasionally fail as well.

[The Four Corners Commonwealth]

"Any defeat is extinction"

Yes. But the flood NEVER WON. They lost in the middle of 2 seperate civil wars, one where the forerunners lost their military leader Mendicant Bias (who turned against them, which caused them to become desperate enough to use the rings), and again during the covenant-human war when there were three factions actively trying to fight. And the Flood, despite having the best chance in 100,000 years, AND A GRAVEMIND, lost. Against a unified galaxy where even maintenance droids are capable of complex learning and possess complex psychologies and can be armed to the teeth, where every planet can afford a planetary shield that blocks physical objects (the rebels could afford one), where no imperial blockade has ever failed, where blockades are more than possible even by trading companies, even against intelligent parasites (see chorus IV), where zombies HAVE been ecnountered (see Rakghouls), where there exists a totalitarian state that uses planet killing WMD's with utter impunity, and where their soldiers do not break ranks or panic (when do you see stormtroopers say "fuck this noise" and run? never.), where they were already planning for a galactic invasion, the flood could not possibly be expected to win.

[The Four Corners Commonwealth]

The cure was destroyed by the humans at the end of the Human-Forerunner War, to spite them, and then the Forerunners devolved humanity without knowing about it.

It worked 100%? You cannot cure parasites or viruses. They mutate to compensate. That is why vaccines occasionally fail as well.

One word: Smallpox. This disease has not been seen since it was declared extinct. It now only exists in US and Russian research facilities, and even these weaponized samples have been slated for destruction as part of the long-term bioweapons ban.

[Wisconsin9]

The cure was destroyed by the humans at the end of the Human-Forerunner War, to spite them, and then the Forerunners devolved humanity without knowing about it.

It worked 100%? You cannot cure parasites or viruses. They mutate to compensate. That is why vaccines occasionally fail as well.

You are correct. It wasn't a cure, as I'd previously thought; it was a weapon that caused the Flood to turn on themselves. It also required the sacrifice of 1/3 of the human race, but it very nearly wiped out the Flood and forced the few that remained to run for it.

[The Legion of War]

Among the millions of worlds the GE controls... first contact might only take away a small percentage before the GE can establish a fairly decent quarantine.

Because containment worked so well for the god like forerunners. Notice how they created a device to destroy life instead of the flood.

They ran out of time, they didn't devise a proper solution until late into the war.

And they were recovering from the war with Ancient Humanity. The Composer was basically the equivalent to an instant droid army factory. The Didact just didn't have enough numbers, which is why he took Ancient Humans and composed them.

The Ecumene spanned millions of worlds. If the Didact was able to compose a sizeable amount of that, I'm pretty sure the Knights would have been able to hold off the Flood.

Ancient Humanity held off the Flood. Forerunners beat Ancient Humanity. You'd think they could beat the Flood.

[Wisconsin9]

"Any defeat is extinction"

Yes. But the flood NEVER WON. They lost in the middle of 2 seperate civil wars, one where the forerunners lost their military leader Mendicant Bias (who turned against them, which caused them to become desperate enough to use the rings), and again during the covenant-human war when there were three factions actively trying to fight. And the Flood, despite having the best chance in 100,000 years, AND A GRAVEMIND, lost. Against a unified galaxy where even maintenance droids are capable of complex learning and possess complex psychologies and can be armed to the teeth, where every planet can afford a planetary shield that blocks physical objects (the rebels could afford one), where no imperial blockade has ever failed, where blockades are more than possible even by trading companies, even against intelligent parasites (see chorus IV), where zombies HAVE been ecnountered (see Rakghouls), where there exists a totalitarian state that uses planet killing WMD's with utter impunity, and where their soldiers do not break ranks or panic (when do you see stormtroopers say "fuck this noise" and run? never.), where they were already planning for a galactic invasion, the flood could not possibly be expected to win.

And don't forget during the Human-Flood War, where humans were fighting on two fronts and internally, and still beat the shit out of them.

[Galnius]

"Any defeat is extinction"

Yes. But the flood NEVER WON. They lost in the middle of 2 seperate civil wars, one where the forerunners lost their military leader Mendicant Bias (who turned against them, which caused them to become desperate enough to use the rings), and again during the covenant-human war when there were three factions actively trying to fight. And the Flood, despite having the best chance in 100,000 years, AND A GRAVEMIND, lost. Against a unified galaxy where even maintenance droids are capable of complex learning and possess complex psychologies and can be armed to the teeth, where every planet can afford a planetary shield that blocks physical objects (the rebels could afford one), where no imperial blockade has ever failed, where blockades are more than possible even by trading companies, even against intelligent parasites (see chorus IV), where zombies HAVE been ecnountered (see Rakghouls), where there exists a totalitarian state that uses planet killing WMD's with utter impunity, and where their soldiers do not break ranks or panic (when do you see stormtroopers say "fuck this noise" and run? never.), where they were already planning for a galactic invasion, the flood could not possibly be expected to win.

There goal is simple, eat and infect. They are perfect for both jobs. In fact, when there goal is so simple, anything less than extinction would be a success. As for sheilds, I have already explained that those would eventually fade to the floods constant barrage.

[The Legion of War]

"Any defeat is extinction"

Yes. But the flood NEVER WON. They lost in the middle of 2 seperate civil wars, one where the forerunners lost their military leader Mendicant Bias (who turned against them, which caused them to become desperate enough to use the rings), and again during the covenant-human war when there were three factions actively trying to fight. And the Flood, despite having the best chance in 100,000 years, AND A GRAVEMIND, lost. Against a unified galaxy where even maintenance droids are capable of complex learning and possess complex psychologies and can be armed to the teeth, where every planet can afford a planetary shield that blocks physical objects (the rebels could afford one), where no imperial blockade has ever failed, where blockades are more than possible even by trading companies, even against intelligent parasites (see chorus IV), where zombies HAVE been ecnountered (see Rakghouls), where there exists a totalitarian state that uses planet killing WMD's with utter impunity, and where their soldiers do not break ranks or panic (when do you see stormtroopers say "fuck this noise" and run? never.), where they were already planning for a galactic invasion, the flood could not possibly be expected to win.

And don't forget during the Human-Flood War, where humans were fighting on two fronts and internally, and still beat the shit out of them.

Yes but Ancient Humanity was a Tier 1 civilization. I'd say the GE is a high Tier 2, but I still think that's enough to beat the Flood.

The Covenant, who are Tier 2, were able to keep the Flood on Delta Halo for a while during a civil war. I'm sure a unified GE would fare far better.

[Galnius]

"Any defeat is extinction"

Yes. But the flood NEVER WON. They lost in the middle of 2 seperate civil wars, one where the forerunners lost their military leader Mendicant Bias (who turned against them, which caused them to become desperate enough to use the rings), and again during the covenant-human war when there were three factions actively trying to fight. And the Flood, despite having the best chance in 100,000 years, AND A GRAVEMIND, lost. Against a unified galaxy where even maintenance droids are capable of complex learning and possess complex psychologies and can be armed to the teeth, where every planet can afford a planetary shield that blocks physical objects (the rebels could afford one), where no imperial blockade has ever failed, where blockades are more than possible even by trading companies, even against intelligent parasites (see chorus IV), where zombies HAVE been ecnountered (see Rakghouls), where there exists a totalitarian state that uses planet killing WMD's with utter impunity, and where their soldiers do not break ranks or panic (when do you see stormtroopers say "fuck this noise" and run? never.), where they were already planning for a galactic invasion, the flood could not possibly be expected to win.

And don't forget during the Human-Flood War, where humans were fighting on two fronts and internally, and still beat the shit out of them.

Look up Krodin from the book "Superhuman". That is the flood.

[Wisconsin9]

And don't forget during the Human-Flood War, where humans were fighting on two fronts and internally, and still beat the shit out of them.

Yes but Ancient Humanity was a Tier 1 civilization. I'd say the GE is a high Tier 2, but I still think that's enough to beat the Flood.

The Covenant, who are Tier 2, were able to keep the Flood on Delta Halo for a while during a civil war. I'm sure a unified GE would fare far better.

The GE is vastly more advanced then Ancient Humanity, or anything from Halo except for the Precursors.

[The Legion of War]

And don't forget during the Human-Flood War, where humans were fighting on two fronts and internally, and still beat the shit out of them.

Look up Krodin from the book "Superhuman". That is the flood.

Not even close.

The Flood is a parasite, not a super human. The Flood is more than 4000 years old. The Flood is not summoned, it arrives when it wants to.

The Flood is in no way even close to Krodin, at least from what wikipedia says.

[Galnius]

And don't forget during the Human-Flood War, where humans were fighting on two fronts and internally, and still beat the shit out of them.

Yes but Ancient Humanity was a Tier 1 civilization. I'd say the GE is a high Tier 2, but I still think that's enough to beat the Flood.

The Covenant, who are Tier 2, were able to keep the Flood on Delta Halo for a while during a civil war. I'm sure a unified GE would fare far better.

Notice how you said for a while. There is also no proof some flood did not escape either.

[Wisconsin9]

And don't forget during the Human-Flood War, where humans were fighting on two fronts and internally, and still beat the shit out of them.

Look up Krodin from the book "Superhuman". That is the flood.

And Ancient Humanity kicked its ass to hell and back.

[Wisconsin9]

Yes but Ancient Humanity was a Tier 1 civilization. I'd say the GE is a high Tier 2, but I still think that's enough to beat the Flood.

The Covenant, who are Tier 2, were able to keep the Flood on Delta Halo for a while during a civil war. I'm sure a unified GE would fare far better.

Notice how you said for a while. There is also no proof some flood did not escape either.

The Covenant are pathetic compared to the GE.

[The Legion of War]

Yes but Ancient Humanity was a Tier 1 civilization. I'd say the GE is a high Tier 2, but I still think that's enough to beat the Flood.

The Covenant, who are Tier 2, were able to keep the Flood on Delta Halo for a while during a civil war. I'm sure a unified GE would fare far better.

The GE is vastly more advanced then Ancient Humanity, or anything from Halo except for the Precursors.

Well this this is the Tier system... GE seems to sit at Tier 2.

Then again, I don't everything about the GE from the EU...

[The Legion of War]

Notice how you said for a while. There is also no proof some flood did not escape either.

The Covenant are pathetic compared to the GE.

Exactly. Notice how I also said a unified GE would fare better?

[Galnius]

Look up Krodin from the book "Superhuman". That is the flood.

Not even close.

The Flood is a parasite, not a super human. The Flood is more than 4000 years old. The Flood is not summoned, it arrives when it wants to.

The Flood is in no way even close to Krodin, at least from what wikipedia says.

One, wiki.is wrong. two he wasnt exactly summoned. three he is over 4000 years old. four they are super parasites, so worse in a way(I just finished the series)