Halo vs. Star Wars: Who would win?

[Wisconsin9]

So your entire arguement is "Well, how about we ignore the good weapons from the SW universe, and instead focus on the bad ones"? Really?

Okay, two can play at that. Do you think that one dude with a pistol could take on the entire clone army?

No, because we've already gone over Halo would lose because of said weapons which we've already talked about. I'm tired of talking about the giant anti-planet weapons which are there for the sake of the plot and if you take those away you've got bare 100:1 army tactics, I'd like to talk about those.

It's not 100:1 tactics, it's 1.0e+15:1 tactics.

And we weren't discussing the plot device weapons. A medium turbolaser shot packs 200 gigatons. There are 11 medium turbolasers on an Imperial I-class Star Destroyer, and 80 heavy turbolasers.

[Benomia]

It doesn't matter if you can take down a Jedi or a Sith, because they're actually pretty unimportant in the grand scheme of things. They were front-line generals in the Clone Wars, and when they were killed the army didn't dissolve, it was put under the command of other people who worked just as well.

Nowwwwwwwwwwwwwww you're talking. I'm not arguing over how elite the Stormtroopers are here, but do they even posess the ability to have free will and choose to make their own decisions over what happens to them? For example if the leaders are taken out, what happens to them?

Does the US Military posses the ability to have free will and choose to make their own decisions over what happens to them?

If so then yes.
Unlike the droids, the -troopers were actually humans, with actual human thoughts.

[Mizrad]

Nowwwwwwwwwwwwwww you're talking. I'm not arguing over how elite the Stormtroopers are here, but do they even posess the ability to have free will and choose to make their own decisions over what happens to them? For example if the leaders are taken out, what happens to them?

They follow the orders of the new leaders taken from the population of quintillions.

But my point is, don't they have to be chosen, trained, advance in rank and everything? Sure it would take a hundred years to take out the entire command and the Halo Universe probably wouldn't last that long but still.

[Wisconsin9]

They follow the orders of the new leaders taken from the population of quintillions.

But my point is, don't they have to be chosen, trained, advance in rank and everything? Sure it would take a hundred years to take out the entire command and the Halo Universe probably wouldn't last that long but still.

If they somehow managed to destroy the entire command of the Imperial forces, they could easily put AIs in charge.

[Mizrad]

Nowwwwwwwwwwwwwww you're talking. I'm not arguing over how elite the Stormtroopers are here, but do they even posess the ability to have free will and choose to make their own decisions over what happens to them? For example if the leaders are taken out, what happens to them?

Does the US Military posses the ability to have free will and choose to make their own decisions over what happens to them?

If so then yes.
Unlike the droids, the -troopers were actually humans, with actual human thoughts.

Ok, then that settles that. Also what time frame are we comparing? Present vs. present or past vs. past?

[Mizrad]

But my point is, don't they have to be chosen, trained, advance in rank and everything? Sure it would take a hundred years to take out the entire command and the Halo Universe probably wouldn't last that long but still.

If they somehow managed to destroy the entire command of the Imperial forces, they could easily put AIs in charge.

Hmm, well you've got that down. Has the SW universe ever reverse engineered anything or possess the capability to if they wanted? I know Halo does that's why I'm asking.

[Wisconsin9]

If they somehow managed to destroy the entire command of the Imperial forces, they could easily put AIs in charge.

Hmm, well you've got that down. Has the SW universe ever reverse engineered anything or possess the capability to if they wanted? I know Halo does that's why I'm asking.

Probably, but they don't need to. They're tens of thousands of years more advanced than anything Halo's got.

[The Legion of War]

Wait a second, you know what SW doesn't really have that the UNSC does and could probably do some damadge to a jedi? A laser beam can deflect lasers yes, you know what it can't deflect? Hundreds of rounds of led, HE rounds, frag grenades, carpet bombings, napalm, squadrons of bombers, UH-144, Pelican and Hornet support, 130mm shells and MAC CANNONS!

Stop, please.

As much as I like Halo, it can't win without the Tier 1 civilizations and the Precursors.

The Human population in the Star Wars universe probably already had their ballistics weapons era and switched to laser for a reason. Good or bad, who knows.

And the light saber can cut through almost anything. It's more or less their version of an energy sword. Both are made from plasma.

So a Jedi could probably cut up a bunch of bullets that probably move slower than a laser. They can force push a missile away.

Napalm bombing and such could kill a Jedi, but you're wasting TONS of resources on ONE soldier.

[Mizrad]

Thus meaning leaving behind a downed AT-ST or TIE fighter wouldn't be considered extremely bad, right?

[Wisconsin9]

Wait a second, you know what SW doesn't really have that the UNSC does and could probably do some damadge to a jedi? A laser beam can deflect lasers yes, you know what it can't deflect? Hundreds of rounds of led, HE rounds, frag grenades, carpet bombings, napalm, squadrons of bombers, UH-144, Pelican and Hornet support, 130mm shells and MAC CANNONS!

Stop, please.

As much as I like Halo, it can't win without the Tier 1 civilizations and the Precursors.

The Human population in the Star Wars universe probably already had their ballistics weapons era and switched to laser for a reason. Good or bad, who knows.

And the light saber can cut through almost anything. It's more or less their version of an energy sword. Both are made from plasma.

So a Jedi could probably cut up a bunch of bullets that probably move slower than a laser. They can force push a missile away.

Napalm bombing and such could kill a Jedi, but you're wasting TONS of resources on ONE soldier.

Slugthrowers are still occasionally used, by bounty hunters and the like. It's said that they're immeasurably more durable than blasters, but unless you're fighting in a jungle that's not going to help.

[Mizrad]

Wait a second, you know what SW doesn't really have that the UNSC does and could probably do some damadge to a jedi? A laser beam can deflect lasers yes, you know what it can't deflect? Hundreds of rounds of led, HE rounds, frag grenades, carpet bombings, napalm, squadrons of bombers, UH-144, Pelican and Hornet support, 130mm shells and MAC CANNONS!

Stop, please.

As much as I like Halo, it can't win without the Tier 1 civilizations and the Precursors.

The Human population in the Star Wars universe probably already had their ballistics weapons era and switched to laser for a reason. Good or bad, who knows.

And the light saber can cut through almost anything. It's more or less their version of an energy sword. Both are made from plasma.

So a Jedi could probably cut up a bunch of bullets that probably move slower than a laser. They can force push a missile away.

Napalm bombing and such could kill a Jedi, but you're wasting TONS of resources on ONE soldier.

Not one soldier, one leader, father/figure, propaganda tool, irreplacable object. Unlike quintillions of clones, droids and so on Jedi and Sith are a serious issue to find and train padawans.

[Wisconsin9]

Stop, please.

As much as I like Halo, it can't win without the Tier 1 civilizations and the Precursors.

The Human population in the Star Wars universe probably already had their ballistics weapons era and switched to laser for a reason. Good or bad, who knows.

And the light saber can cut through almost anything. It's more or less their version of an energy sword. Both are made from plasma.

So a Jedi could probably cut up a bunch of bullets that probably move slower than a laser. They can force push a missile away.

Napalm bombing and such could kill a Jedi, but you're wasting TONS of resources on ONE soldier.

Not one soldier, one leader, father/figure, propaganda tool, irreplacable object. Unlike quintillions of clones, droids and so on Jedi and Sith are a serious issue to find and train padawans.

Which is why the wouldn't be on the front lines.

[The Legion of War]

Stop, please.

As much as I like Halo, it can't win without the Tier 1 civilizations and the Precursors.

The Human population in the Star Wars universe probably already had their ballistics weapons era and switched to laser for a reason. Good or bad, who knows.

And the light saber can cut through almost anything. It's more or less their version of an energy sword. Both are made from plasma.

So a Jedi could probably cut up a bunch of bullets that probably move slower than a laser. They can force push a missile away.

Napalm bombing and such could kill a Jedi, but you're wasting TONS of resources on ONE soldier.

Not one soldier, one leader, father/figure, propaganda tool, irreplacable object. Unlike quintillions of clones, droids and so on Jedi and Sith are a serious issue to find and train padawans.

You're kidding right?

I'm sure more than one Jedi died in the Clone Wars. You didn't see any Clones crawling into fetal positions afterwards, now did you?

They had no problem killing the Jedi with Order 66! Hardly father figures to the Clones I would imagine.

The only force user's death that would deal a serious blow to morale is one that has established themselves as head of a nation, like Darth Sidious and the Galatic Empire.

[Mizrad]

Not one soldier, one leader, father/figure, propaganda tool, irreplacable object. Unlike quintillions of clones, droids and so on Jedi and Sith are a serious issue to find and train padawans.

Which is why the wouldn't be on the front lines.

Most of the time they're not, but there is the usual occasion when they are.

[Wisconsin9]

Which is why the wouldn't be on the front lines.

Most of the time they're not, but there is the usual occasion when they are.

I don't see the point of this line of argument. The death of a Jedi, or the vast majority of the Jedi, would not and did not shatter the Republican forces, and it certainly wouldn't shatter the Imperial forces because there aren't any Jedi in the Imperial forces, and they'd never get the Sith leadership because anyone who tried would die.

[Mizrad]

Most of the time they're not, but there is the usual occasion when they are.

I don't see the point of this line of argument. The death of a Jedi, or the vast majority of the Jedi, would not and did not shatter the Republican forces, and it certainly wouldn't shatter the Imperial forces because there aren't any Jedi in the Imperial forces, and they'd never get the Sith leadership because anyone who tried would die.

I was just talking about how if it continued a logistical issue of supplying people like a Jedi would be difficult until the Republic decides to just either keep them permenantly behind the lines or just use people instead. The Sith on the other hand, well that's what the UNSC has the Covenant for. Maybe they wouldn't be able to bring down the actual Sith empire but they could sure as hell make it angry and force it re-think how weak Halo truly is.

[Mizrad]

Not one soldier, one leader, father/figure, propaganda tool, irreplacable object. Unlike quintillions of clones, droids and so on Jedi and Sith are a serious issue to find and train padawans.

You're kidding right?

I'm sure more than one Jedi died in the Clone Wars. You didn't see any Clones crawling into fetal positions afterwards, now did you?

They had no problem killing the Jedi with Order 66! Hardly father figures to the Clones I would imagine.

The only force user's death that would deal a serious blow to morale is one that has established themselves as head of a nation, like Darth Sidious and the Galatic Empire.

Father figure and propaganda for the actual people, the clones would just have to make a defensive until somebody gave them orders or maybe a high ranking clone would step in for a bit and the droids, well I don't know what they'd do.

[Wisconsin9]

I don't see the point of this line of argument. The death of a Jedi, or the vast majority of the Jedi, would not and did not shatter the Republican forces, and it certainly wouldn't shatter the Imperial forces because there aren't any Jedi in the Imperial forces, and they'd never get the Sith leadership because anyone who tried would die.

I was just talking about how if it continued a logistical issue of supplying people like a Jedi would be difficult until the Republic decides to just either keep them permenantly behind the lines or just use people instead. The Sith on the other hand, well that's what the UNSC has the Covenant for. Maybe they wouldn't be able to bring down the actual Sith empire but they could sure as hell make it angry and force it re-think how weak Halo truly is.

It's not the Sith empire, it's the two guys at the top of the ladder. One who is usually on a fortress planet and extremely heavily guarded, and the other who is on the single deadliest warship ever built. And I keep telling you that the Covenant wouldn't be able to do shit, because in space combat the best, the absolute best that the Covenant can do is a few megatons per shot with limited shots, whereas each Imperial ship is roughly equivalent to a Kardashev level 2 civilization.

[Mizrad]

I was just talking about how if it continued a logistical issue of supplying people like a Jedi would be difficult until the Republic decides to just either keep them permenantly behind the lines or just use people instead. The Sith on the other hand, well that's what the UNSC has the Covenant for. Maybe they wouldn't be able to bring down the actual Sith empire but they could sure as hell make it angry and force it re-think how weak Halo truly is.

It's not the Sith empire, it's the two guys at the top of the ladder. One who is usually on a fortress planet and extremely heavily guarded, and the other who is on the single deadliest warship ever built. And I keep telling you that the Covenant wouldn't be able to do shit, because in space combat the best, the absolute best that the Covenant can do is a few megatons per shot with limited shots, whereas each Imperial ship is roughly equivalent to a Kardashev level 2 civilization.

I said Covenant because I thought you were talking about other Sith generals, sorry. Well I'm logging off, you win.

[The Four Corners Commonwealth]

Even in tactics, SW wins. Lets compare:

Sw: We witness the empires expertise in boarding operations. Han Solo, captain of the fastest ship in the galaxy, got boarded (according to a convo with Jabba). Tantive IV was also a huge success.
At Hoth, we witness a combined arms operation that was a complete success against the rebels fixed implacements. Air power, ground, and armored vehicles worked together with minimal, acceptable losses. The Empire also inherited the lessons of the galaxy-encompassing clone wars, which involved bitter fighting on thousands of worlds. The empire relies primarily on orbital superiority to provide cover for the ground forces, not unlike how the modern US uses its overwhelming fire support to provide cover/disable commmunications and command points at the time of invasion (Ie. Saddam's C4I structure collapsed in the opening of the 2003 invasion, the suppression of the Gaddafi regime and the "no fly zones"). Due to the overwhelming power, the empire seems to rule with impunity as they run ground ops unnopposed.

Halo: The covenant follow a basic rule: Seize any forerunner artifact, glass the planet. Any casualties are acceptable in the name of the great journey.
The UNSC uses combined arms, but due to their naval inferiority they can basically only fight holding actions until one of two things happen: They have to retreat, or the covenant get what they want. Either way the world burns.

Despite all this tactics talk, the covenant and the Empire follow a similar rule books: what you cant' overwhelm, or if it is disposable, destroy it completely. the covenant only use combined arms ops when they MUST have something, such as artifacts. Any thing else is almost purely a naval exercise.

And no, the jedi are not common. But they can be cloned. Force users can be artificially made (shadow troopers). Regardless, the spartans are pretty rare too. But these can be considered "special units".

[The Legion of War]

Even in tactics, SW wins. Lets compare:

Sw: We witness the empires expertise in boarding operations. Han Solo, captain of the fastest ship in the galaxy, got boarded (according to a convo with Jabba). Tantive IV was also a huge success.
At Hoth, we witness a combined arms operation that was a complete success against the rebels fixed implacements. Air power, ground, and armored vehicles worked together with minimal, acceptable losses. The Empire also inherited the lessons of the galaxy-encompassing clone wars, which involved bitter fighting on thousands of worlds. The empire relies primarily on orbital superiority to provide cover for the ground forces, not unlike how the modern US uses its overwhelming fire support to provide cover/disable commmunications and command points at the time of invasion (Ie. Saddam's C4I structure collapsed in the opening of the 2003 invasion, the suppression of the Gaddafi regime and the "no fly zones"). Due to the overwhelming power, the empire seems to rule with impunity as they run ground ops unnopposed.

Halo: The covenant follow a basic rule: Seize any forerunner artifact, glass the planet. Any casualties are acceptable in the name of the great journey.
The UNSC uses combined arms, but due to their naval inferiority they can basically only fight holding actions until one of two things happen: They have to retreat, or the covenant get what they want. Either way the world burns.

Despite all this tactics talk, the covenant and the Empire follow a similar rule books: what you cant' overwhelm, or if it is disposable, destroy it completely. the covenant only use combined arms ops when they MUST have something, such as artifacts. Any thing else is almost purely a naval exercise.

And no, the jedi are not common. But they can be cloned. Force users can be artificially made (shadow troopers). Regardless, the spartans are pretty rare too. But these can be considered "special units".

Let's not forget those wannabe Spartans... The Spartan Fours
*shudders*

They can prodced from average soldiers if need be.

But infantry won't win a war in space. GE beats UNSC/Covenant

[Wisconsin9]

Even in tactics, SW wins. Lets compare:

Sw: We witness the empires expertise in boarding operations. Han Solo, captain of the fastest ship in the galaxy, got boarded (according to a convo with Jabba). Tantive IV was also a huge success.
At Hoth, we witness a combined arms operation that was a complete success against the rebels fixed implacements. Air power, ground, and armored vehicles worked together with minimal, acceptable losses. The Empire also inherited the lessons of the galaxy-encompassing clone wars, which involved bitter fighting on thousands of worlds. The empire relies primarily on orbital superiority to provide cover for the ground forces, not unlike how the modern US uses its overwhelming fire support to provide cover/disable commmunications and command points at the time of invasion (Ie. Saddam's C4I structure collapsed in the opening of the 2003 invasion, the suppression of the Gaddafi regime and the "no fly zones"). Due to the overwhelming power, the empire seems to rule with impunity as they run ground ops unnopposed.

Halo: The covenant follow a basic rule: Seize any forerunner artifact, glass the planet. Any casualties are acceptable in the name of the great journey.
The UNSC uses combined arms, but due to their naval inferiority they can basically only fight holding actions until one of two things happen: They have to retreat, or the covenant get what they want. Either way the world burns.

Despite all this tactics talk, the covenant and the Empire follow a similar rule books: what you cant' overwhelm, or if it is disposable, destroy it completely. the covenant only use combined arms ops when they MUST have something, such as artifacts. Any thing else is almost purely a naval exercise.

And no, the jedi are not common. But they can be cloned. Force users can be artificially made (shadow troopers). Regardless, the spartans are pretty rare too. But these can be considered "special units".

Let's not forget those wannabe Spartans... The Spartan Fours
*shudders*

They can prodced from average soldiers if need be.

But infantry won't win a war in space. GE beats UNSC/Covenant

On the ground, too.

[Galnius]

You people blatantly forget that the flood are the natural embodiment of fear, thus inescapable and can never be defeated.

[Wisconsin9]

You people blatantly forget that the flood are the natural embodiment of fear, thus inescapable and can never be defeated.

Bullshit.

[The Legion of War]

You people blatantly forget that the flood are the natural embodiment of fear, thus inescapable and can never be defeated.

Look man, I love the Halo franchise more than Star Wars. However, in a GE vs UNSC/Covenant/Flood alliance fight... the GE wins.

If the Covenant can quarantine outbreaks by glassing a planet, the GE can do it better with the Death Star. Sure, the whole planet is gone but if the Flood is on it it will most likely be lost anyways.