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Shof's Russian Culture Education Thread

PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 11:48 pm
by Shofercia
After getting numerous requests to learn about Russian Culture, I've decided to create this thread. Maybe it's what the NSers are looking for, maybe not, but it's worth a shot.

And here I'm thinking - what's the easiest way to begin exploring something as complex as Russian Culture? So I figured that I start with a famed movie, the most often watched movie by all Russians, (it's been viewed over more than 2 billion times,) called Irony of Fate. It's a Russian Tradition to watch this movie every New Year's Eve, and I've stayed true to that tradition, so did most of the people I know. There's even a joke on the subject:

Brunette: "How old are you?"
Blonde: "I don't know!"
Brunette: "How many times have you seen Irony of Fate?"

The movie is a fable set in reality. The plot, well I don't want to spoil it, but I'll say that the plot is very unique. The movie shows the life and struggles of the Russian Middle Class, what problems we had under the USSR, what the possible solutions were, what jobs were Middle Class, how the Middle Class lived, what cars we drove, etc. The apartments were fairly standard Russian Apartments for two to five people, and they were cozy for us. Two or three people per room, plus a living room, a kitchen, restrooms, etc, that was enough. We didn't need anything fancy. Besides, the apartments were just for sleeping and partying. And the movie captures the life of the Soviet Middle Class perfectly.

With that said, the plot is unique, and such stories could only happen on New Year's Eve. The Communist Government understood that the people needed Spiritual Holidays, and had plenty of them, but the two biggest ones were Victory Day, and New Year's Eve. It's hard for me to continue explaining what's going on, without revealing the plot, so I'll just add that the movie starts with a gentle, cartoonish criticism of the Communist Party's Idea of Sameness, and then shows how even in such Sameness, the Russians still found a way to make Magic happen. Hence the name, Irony of Fate.

Yes, it also involves alcohol, but that's not the main point. Another thing to pay attention to, is the music. The movie is made by Mosfilm, and Mosfilm was better than Hollywood in terms of making War Movies and Comedies. This is a comedy. The best actors were hired after tireless casting, experienced directors, producers, operators, well pretty much everything in the movie was scrutinized numerous times. The introductory symbol is a Man and Woman holding the Soviet Symbol, showing equality of the genders and the classes.

Now, the reason for this very brief introduction, is that I want you to watch the movie, and then ask questions about it, and I'll do my best to answer. Please watch it, before reading the rest of the thread, and we'll see where this goes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVpmZnRIMKs&wide=1

PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 5:30 pm
by Hollorous
My knowledge of Russian culture unfortunately is limited to Soviet era WWII movies and the occasional dirty joke. This movie looks pretty kick ass though and I'll make a point to watch it soon.

FWIW, "Come and See" is my favorite WWII movie ever (I've seen about 50, give or take). "Ballad of a Soldier" was also quite good, in a cheery/bittersweet sort of way.

PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:40 pm
by Arumdaum
Ooh, I find Russian culture pretty interesting. It's pretty high on my list of languages to learn. I tried to learn reading Cyrillic for like a few days in 6th grade, but all I really know is that "P" makes an "r" sound, "c" makes an "s" sound, the funky x with the line in the middle makes a "ch" sound, and the backwards "N" makes an "i" sound.

I really like how the Mighty Handful tried to always be really progressive with the music they composed, and Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherazade is just really beautiful. That's an example of Russian Orientalist music, right? I always thought it'd be really nice if there would also have been more interest in the native cultures of the Russian Far East, as there had been for the cultures in the Caucasus and Central Asia. The Soviet National Anthem and God Save the Czar I think were pretty nice anthems. Russia also has a bunch of nice folk songs, like Moscow Nights, Katyuscha, Dark Eyes (is that a folk song?), On the Hills of Manchuria, the Tetris song, and all that. I consider Russia European, but they seem more unique from the rest of the region.

My dad tried to plan a trip on the Trans-Siberian railroad while I was living in Korea from Vladivostok to Irkutsk (and possibly further) in October, but it was cancelled. During the summer, I feel like it'd get pretty hot in Russia, due to the more extreme temperatures which are encountered the further you are away from large bodies of water.

The balalaika also seems like a pretty cool instrument, and I find the architecture of St. Basil's Cathedral pretty intriguing and unique. It seems distinctly Russian, even though iirc there had never been Russian architecture like that before its commissioning. The Winter Palace also looks pretty stunning.

As a Francophile, I also like how the language of the Russian nobility used to be French, haha.

I sort of wish Alexander II wouldn't have been assassinated, especially as his son was a highly reactionary ruler, and probably helped to cause Nicholas II's own shitty rule.

PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 8:54 am
by Bothara
Will be following and actively participating in this thread, hopefully. I'll try to watch the movie as soon as possible!

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:29 pm
by Feebland
That movie seems very interesting. I'll have to see if I can get it. I live in America, so I don't think Soviet-era Russian films are very common here, though.

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 11:52 pm
by Isarabaeum
Oooohhhh... This all seems very interesting to me, therefor - sign me up please!
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 12:19 am
by Mike the Progressive
I've always imagined Russian culture as being rather gray. Everybody is morbidly depressed, drinks vodka and throws glass against the wall/floor for entertainment.

But I'm interested :P

PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:21 am
by Samozaryadnyastan
Isarabaeum wrote:Oooohhhh... This all seems very interesting to me, therefor - sign me up please!
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I concur with this.

Is there any updates, or are you waiting for someone to watch the film?
How much of it will be lost on me from the language barrier?

PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:52 pm
by Shofercia
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:
Isarabaeum wrote:Oooohhhh... This all seems very interesting to me, therefor - sign me up please!
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I concur with this.

Is there any updates, or are you waiting for someone to watch the film?
How much of it will be lost on me from the language barrier?


I'm hoping that you guys all watch the film. It has English captions, and is rather well translated, so not much will be lost due to the language barrier. Besides, it's the most watched Russian Film, so even cultured ethnic Russians don't get everything, or even half of the things from the first time. Even if you get a fourth or a third, that's going to vastly improve your understanding of Russian Culture, and then I can begin to go into other things, after we've discussed the movie, and you guys rewatched it. I've seen it over twenty times, and there are still new things that I find every time I watch the movie :D

PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:04 pm
by The Great America
This is the best part of Russian culture:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM

PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:05 pm
by Samozaryadnyastan
Shof, shout at me to watch this tomorrow afternoon (~12GMT) :lol:

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:47 pm
by Shofercia
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Shof, shout at me to watch this tomorrow afternoon (~12GMT) :lol:


WATCH THE VIDEO!!!

Since you asked :P

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:50 pm
by Samozaryadnyastan
Shofercia wrote:
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Shof, shout at me to watch this tomorrow afternoon (~12GMT) :lol:


WATCH THE VIDEO!!!

Since you asked :P

IT'S NINE AT NIGHT YOU CRAZY RUSSIAN
I'm off out however, so I shall watch it later ;)

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:07 pm
by DrakoBlaria
How many of ya are still commies?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:23 am
by Shofercia
DrakoBlaria wrote:How many of ya are still commies?


About 20 percent as of 2011. At least that's how many voted for Commies in the Duma.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:13 am
by L Ron Cupboard
Does Russian translate badly into English, as I have always found Russian literature dull to read compared to translations of French or German literature? I can't really pin down what it is, just that the sentences seem over complicated and laboured.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:32 pm
by OMGeverynameistaken
Mike the Progressive wrote:I've always imagined Russian culture as being rather gray. Everybody is morbidly depressed, drinks vodka and throws glass against the wall/floor for entertainment.

But I'm interested :P


Interestingly, you have just perfectly described the Russian stereotype of the average German. Just replace 'vodka' with 'beer'.

Throwing your glass on the floor after a toast is actually a tradition from imperial times. The idea being that a toast made to the emperor was so important that the glass should never be used for anything else. Later on it became more of a popular custom.

L Ron Cupboard wrote:Does Russian translate badly into English, as I have always found Russian literature dull to read compared to translations of French or German literature? I can't really pin down what it is, just that the sentences seem over complicated and laboured.

It's because Russian authors are always depressed by the length requirements imposed on Russian literature. Russians consider any book under 500 pages to not be trying hard enough.

http://www.nationstates.net/

PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:09 am
by Shofercia
OMGeverynameistaken wrote:
L Ron Cupboard wrote:Does Russian translate badly into English, as I have always found Russian literature dull to read compared to translations of French or German literature? I can't really pin down what it is, just that the sentences seem over complicated and laboured.

It's because Russian authors are always depressed by the length requirements imposed on Russian literature. Russians consider any book under 500 pages to not be trying hard enough.


:rofl:

That's wrong, i.e. Pushkin's Poems are nowhere near that long, nor are numerous short stories of Tolstoy, but it's still funny :P

PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:49 am
by DrakoBlaria
Shofercia wrote:
OMGeverynameistaken wrote:It's because Russian authors are always depressed by the length requirements imposed on Russian literature. Russians consider any book under 500 pages to not be trying hard enough.


:rofl:

That's wrong, i.e. Pushkin's Poems are nowhere near that long, nor are numerous short stories of Tolstoy, but it's still funny :P


Here is your answer

PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:43 pm
by Shofercia
DrakoBlaria wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
:rofl:

That's wrong, i.e. Pushkin's Poems are nowhere near that long, nor are numerous short stories of Tolstoy, but it's still funny :P


Here is your answer


A book of short stories is still a book, Drako. One that's under 500 pages, and is considered to be as "trying hard enough" :P

PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:50 pm
by DrakoBlaria
Shofercia wrote:
DrakoBlaria wrote:
Here is your answer


A book of short stories is still a book, Drako. One that's under 500 pages, and is considered to be as "trying hard enough" :P


No shit Sherlock

PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:53 pm
by Grand Britannia
In Soviet Russia, buildings visit YOU!

PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:15 pm
by Shofercia
Grand Britannia wrote:In Soviet Russia, buildings visit YOU!


Did you watch the entire movie, or just the first part? :P

Also, awesome, and in context In Soviet Russia joke, good job :D

What'd you think about the movie?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:44 pm
by New Sapienta
I never asked this, but, are you actually from Russia?

Cause I'm pretty sure you said you don't live there currently.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:44 am
by DrakoBlaria
New Sapienta wrote:I never asked this, but, are you actually from Russia?

Cause I'm pretty sure you said you don't live there currently.


He is a Ruskie who lives in the 'Murika