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Initial Thoughts on Discovery

Love it
38
14%
Like it
64
24%
So-so
75
28%
Dislike it
30
11%
Hate it
65
24%
 
Total votes : 272

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Postby Syndic Australia » Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:44 am

The New California Republic wrote:Question: does the NX-01 Enterprise have guest quarters? I noticed a bit of a contradiction. In the episode Fallen Hero Ambassador V'Lar has to stay in Hoshi's quarters (indicating a lack of guest quarters), but in the episode Precious Cargo Captain Archer offers the Retellian cargo vessel's crew the guest quarters on Enterprise.

So...yea or nay?


My guess would be that, in the seven or so months that elapse between the two episodes in-universe, and perhaps after realising that guest quarters might be a good thing to have, some non-essential spaces aboard are refitted as such.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:10 am

Tarsonis wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Question: does the NX-01 Enterprise have guest quarters? I noticed a bit of a contradiction. In the episode Fallen Hero Ambassador V'Lar has to stay in Hoshi's quarters (indicating a lack of guest quarters), but in the episode Precious Cargo Captain Archer offers the Retellian cargo vessel's crew the guest quarters on Enterprise.

So...yea or nay?


maybe the repair station did a little reorganizing.

I imagine Trip would have cried foul if it had done so without anyone asking.



Syndic Australia wrote:My guess would be that, in the seven or so months that elapse between the two episodes in-universe, and perhaps after realising that guest quarters might be a good thing to have, some non-essential spaces aboard are refitted as such.

From what we are able to see, NX-01 is quite a cramped, minimalist, and utilitarian affair: there is only so much space that they can repurpose before it begins to impact functionality. They somehow also manage to add in a Brig etc later as well. I'm guessing that by the end of its life the lower-ranking crew members of NX-01 were crammed into quarters like sardines, using a hot-bunking system to boot...
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:20 am

This is why the NX needed the proper secondary hull it was originally going to get had the show kept going.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:44 am

Vassenor wrote:This is why the NX needed the proper secondary hull it was originally going to get had the show kept going.

The toy company Eaglemoss has a model that is based on the proposed redesign:

Image
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Postby Rostavykhan » Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:51 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Vassenor wrote:This is why the NX needed the proper secondary hull it was originally going to get had the show kept going.

The toy company Eaglemoss has a model that is based on the proposed redesign:

Image


I want so badly to get the NX Refit, but it's like three times the price of other ship models. I still have the Yeager Class and Constellation Class on my list, too.

NX Refit is one of the nicest designs in Trek IMO. ENT era in general I find has nice United Earth/Early UFP designs.

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No thank you.


I'd rather keep up with the Cardassians.


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Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:44 pm

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Postby Auristania » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:52 pm

Syndic Australia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Question: does the NX-01 Enterprise have guest quarters? I noticed a bit of a contradiction. In the episode Fallen Hero Ambassador V'Lar has to stay in Hoshi's quarters (indicating a lack of guest quarters), but in the episode Precious Cargo Captain Archer offers the Retellian cargo vessel's crew the guest quarters on Enterprise.

So...yea or nay?


My guess would be that, in the seven or so months that elapse between the two episodes in-universe, and perhaps after realising that guest quarters might be a good thing to have, some non-essential spaces aboard are refitted as such.

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:03 pm

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Stellar Colonies is a loose confederacy comprised from most of the human-settled parts of the galaxy.

Ida Station is the only Confederate member state permitted to join the WA.
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Add 1200 years for the date I use.
If you want a mental image of me: Straight(?), white male.

I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.

I don't think the political compass is
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X-Axis: -5.38
Y-Axis: -2.62

Also, I'm diagnosed as a high-functioning autistic.

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Postby Ameriganastan » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:04 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:

I could have happily gone my entire life without seeing that...
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:05 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:

Giant rock person wearing overalls?

Giant rock person wearing overalls.


Wait, what exactly is this? New animated show or something else?
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:09 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:

I could have happily gone my entire life without seeing that...

Understandable...

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:

Giant rock person wearing overalls?

Giant rock person wearing overalls.


Wait, what exactly is this? New animated show or something else?

Star Trek: Prodigy

Animated Nickelodeon Star Trek show with Kate Mulgrew as Janeway stealing a ship and going off into the galaxy with these teenage(?) kids to go on adventures and stuff.
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I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.

I don't think the political compass is
fully accurate, but here are my results:

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Also, I'm diagnosed as a high-functioning autistic.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:17 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:I could have happily gone my entire life without seeing that...

Understandable...

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Giant rock person wearing overalls?

Giant rock person wearing overalls.


Wait, what exactly is this? New animated show or something else?

Star Trek: Prodigy

Animated Nickelodeon Star Trek show with Kate Mulgrew as Janeway stealing a ship and going off into the galaxy with these teenage(?) kids to go on adventures and stuff.

Ahh interesting.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:22 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:

Why is there a robot synth in there?

That's in violation of galactic treaty.
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Postby Maichuko » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:09 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:

-The tall girl reminds me too much of a Padawan from the clone wars.
-I like the one in a mech suit.
-Is the junk man a Talaxian?
-I can't tell if the blue slime thing is a pet or a crew member.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:25 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:Understandable...


Star Trek: Prodigy

Animated Nickelodeon Star Trek show with Kate Mulgrew as Janeway stealing a ship and going off into the galaxy with these teenage(?) kids to go on adventures and stuff.

Ahh interesting.

So yeah, they're definitely branching out into kid-specific shows as well now.

Although the Roddenberry and Berman Eras were already kind of a family-friendly thing for the most part (before eyeball ripping and such).

Although family friendly is subjective when Berman is too involved.

New haven america wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:...

Why is there a robot synth in there?

That's in violation of galactic treaty.

It's a treaty that's galactic.

Maichuko wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:...

-The tall girl reminds me too much of a Padawan from the clone wars.
-I like the one in a mech suit.
-Is the junk man a Talaxian?
-I can't tell if the blue slime thing is a pet or a crew member.

One thing that has always bothered me about Star Trek is how Human most of the aliens are (although that nitpick goes far beyond this franchise), so it is interesting to have more non-humanoid characters in the A-Team, don't think that has happened yet in Star Trek besides Odo, and he was mostly humanoid anyway (unless I missed any from TAS or NuTrek).
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Stellar Colonies is a loose confederacy comprised from most of the human-settled parts of the galaxy.

Ida Station is the only Confederate member state permitted to join the WA.
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Add 1200 years for the date I use.
If you want a mental image of me: Straight(?), white male.

I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.

I don't think the political compass is
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Also, I'm diagnosed as a high-functioning autistic.

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Postby The Spook Who Sat By The Door » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:35 pm

Deanna Troi is an empath and the Enterprise crew still let her play poker with them. She must be really really bad at the game!
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:47 pm

The Spook Who Sat By The Door wrote:Deanna Troi is an empath and the Enterprise crew still let her play poker with them. She must be really really bad at the game!

The bigger threat at the table is actually Data. He can calculate probabilities better than anyone, and can notice visual clues that show someone is tense or lying that others would miss. If someone had a disciplined enough mind then they could probably fool an empath like Deanna, but I doubt they could stop involuntary visual clues that Data would notice, things like pupil dilation, respiration, heart rate, and blushing.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:59 pm

I often listen to this playlist when working on something, pity that several videos in it are blocked in the US.

The Spook Who Sat By The Door wrote:Deanna Troi is an empath and the Enterprise crew still let her play poker with them. She must be really really bad at the game!
The New California Republic wrote:
The Spook Who Sat By The Door wrote:Deanna Troi is an empath and the Enterprise crew still let her play poker with them. She must be really really bad at the game!

The bigger threat at the table is actually Data. He can calculate probabilities better than anyone, and can notice visual clues that show someone is tense or lying that others would miss. If someone had a disciplined enough mind then they could probably fool an empath like Deanna, but I doubt they could stop involuntary visual clues that Data would notice, things like pupil dilation, respiration, heart rate, and blushing.

And if the cards are pervious to a VISOR, there is also La Forge.
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If you want a mental image of me: Straight(?), white male.

I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.

I don't think the political compass is
fully accurate, but here are my results:

X-Axis: -5.38
Y-Axis: -2.62

Also, I'm diagnosed as a high-functioning autistic.

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Postby Ameriganastan » Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:07 pm

The Spook Who Sat By The Door wrote:Deanna Troi is an empath and the Enterprise crew still let her play poker with them. She must be really really bad at the game!

Do remember she's only half Betazoid. She can't fully read minds like her mom or the crazy guy from "Tin Man". Also, there's a difference between being an empath and a telepath.
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Postby Tarsonis » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:15 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
The Spook Who Sat By The Door wrote:Deanna Troi is an empath and the Enterprise crew still let her play poker with them. She must be really really bad at the game!

Do remember she's only half Betazoid. She can't fully read minds like her mom or the crazy guy from "Tin Man". Also, there's a difference between being an empath and a telepath.


She also wouldn't get a good read anyway. All she'd be able to tell is if they're being deceptive, and since literally every move is a deception in some way, her powers would be limited benefit at best.
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Observing an important moment in history...

This thread is also for sci if in general, right?
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Add 1200 years for the date I use.
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I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.

I don't think the political compass is
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X-Axis: -5.38
Y-Axis: -2.62

Also, I'm diagnosed as a high-functioning autistic.

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Stellar Colonies wrote:(Image)
Observing an important moment in history...

This thread is also for sci if in general, right?


you'll have to explain
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Tarsonis wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:(Image)
Observing an important moment in history...

This thread is also for sci if in general, right?


you'll have to explain

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Ida Station is the only Confederate member state permitted to join the WA.
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Add 1200 years for the date I use.
If you want a mental image of me: Straight(?), white male.

I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.

I don't think the political compass is
fully accurate, but here are my results:

X-Axis: -5.38
Y-Axis: -2.62

Also, I'm diagnosed as a high-functioning autistic.

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Postby La Paz de Los Ricos » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:10 am

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I literally cannot visually connect those characters to any part of the Star Trek franchise. If the title wasn't looming behind them I'd be like "and what mildly-watched generic Netflix kids' fantasy show is this?" I've already crossed this thing off my list but I'm sort of waiting for them to unveil the ship, if they ever do. The only thing that could save this show is if the ship is Yeager-class. Won't happen, but don't take that hope away from me yet!

Also, they had a golden opportunity to set this show at Starfleet Academy, or even at a school on a starbase somewhere (bring back yorktown pls), maybe settle down from starships for a little while and let the other shows do the Trekking. This could have worked as an educational-type show teaching kids about real-world astronomy and physics (like Zula Patrol but higher-level and Trek-oriented), and maybe even some light morals and ethics, along with your occasional wacky adventure with stolen shuttlecraft/alien invasion. That would've been fun, and I dunno, maybe they'll do something like that with this whole hijacked-derelict-ship premise, but you'll forgive me if I doubt it.

I can only hope Mulgrew carries the show, and that this doesn't end up like a second STP.

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Postby La Paz de Los Ricos » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:52 am

Auristania wrote:
Syndic Australia wrote:
My guess would be that, in the seven or so months that elapse between the two episodes in-universe, and perhaps after realising that guest quarters might be a good thing to have, some non-essential spaces aboard are refitted as such.

REDSHIRT: Look out, Captain!! AAARGH!!!
ARCHER: And now we have guest quarters.


Theory: Ensign Rivers got ahold of some temporal technology that fell out of Daniels' pocket from season 1, and jumped between universes and through time, becoming Ed Mercer and assuming command of the Orville. Furthermore, during his jump, he ran into a spatial scission, and was duplicated. The duplicate was thrown backwards through time and landed at Fox Television, becoming Seth MacFarlane. MacFarlane, distraught by his experiences in the Xindi War and the Romulan War, then manipulated the events of Enterprise behind the scenes and erased all mention or sight of Rivers, (which explains the time discrepancy, with the guest quarters issue showing up between seasons 1 and 2 but him not "showing up" until season 3, as well as him not being seen from since) but he forgot about "The Forgotten" (ironic), in which we see him in. Essentially, he erased his existence from all but two episodes. He may have even been a main character. Archer is not aware of River's disappearance until season 2, by which point he gives the empty quarters to the cargo crew in "Precious Cargo", but makes no mention of the incident to the crew or Starfleet. Archer does not see Rivers in "The Forgotten" (again made sure of by MacFarlane), and Trip is too sleep-deprived to care. MacFarlane orchestrated Rivers' transfer to the Columbia in "Affliction" to get rid of him in-canon, as the fans had already made note of him. MacFarlane is eventually responsible for "The Orville", ensuring that Ed Mercer can exist. MacFarlane uses Daniels' technology to abduct other Star Trek characters and put them in the real world (though they are all in on the conspiracy), as well as to prevent the Eugenics Wars and, eventually, the Third World War, altering the timeline and making sure that no one notices that a certain Ensign Rivers looks suspiciously like the now-famous MacFarlane. Now that I have uncovered this theory, MacFarlane destroys my house.

So there's your guest quarters.

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