Scifi TV Discussion Thread

[Crysuko]

by your logic a cat and a dog are the same thing because they're both pet animals that have fur. We can ignore the complexities of why they're not, because once we have an idea in our head we can twist and omit the facts as much as we want

No because what makes a cat and a dog, a cat and a dog is not their function. They are however pets (assuming they're owned and domesticated) because they fill that role. Many things can be pets, but theyre not pets unless they fill that specific role.

New Haven keeps trying to define Military by a particular ethos but thats not accurate. While most modern militaries do espouse that ethos, that is not the defining characteristics of a military, nor have all militaries espoused that ethos. "The Military" is whoever is charged with fighting a nations war. While they might have different functions in peace time, in times of war starfleet is the one who fights the war. Thus they are, by definition, the military. They just espouse a different ethos than today's militaries.


Like I said Starfleet seems structured along the lines of Victorian Era Western Navies, which again during war time were principally concerned with fighting, but during peace time were tasked with all manner of exploration, diplomacy, scientific discovery etc.

as I said earlier, you're military minded and that's warping your perception. like gravitational lensing from a black hole distorting light

[Tarsonis]

Omg it’s still happening yesss

Hey, at least it's a debate, so they're keeping to the spirit of legacy Trek.

Come to think of it, imagine making a Trek episode about this debate.

Sounds like an Archer, T'pol and a Trip debate honestly.

[Tarsonis]

No because what makes a cat and a dog, a cat and a dog is not their function. They are however pets (assuming they're owned and domesticated) because they fill that role. Many things can be pets, but theyre not pets unless they fill that specific role.

New Haven keeps trying to define Military by a particular ethos but thats not accurate. While most modern militaries do espouse that ethos, that is not the defining characteristics of a military, nor have all militaries espoused that ethos. "The Military" is whoever is charged with fighting a nations war. While they might have different functions in peace time, in times of war starfleet is the one who fights the war. Thus they are, by definition, the military. They just espouse a different ethos than today's militaries.


Like I said Starfleet seems structured along the lines of Victorian Era Western Navies, which again during war time were principally concerned with fighting, but during peace time were tasked with all manner of exploration, diplomacy, scientific discovery etc.

as I said earlier, you're military minded and that's warping your perception. like gravitational lensing from a black hole distorting light

That's a cop-out and a poor one.

[Crysuko]

as I said earlier, you're military minded and that's warping your perception. like gravitational lensing from a black hole distorting light

That's a cop-out and a poor one.

you have an implicit bias and I'm tired of beating my head against it

[Tarsonis]

That's a cop-out and a poor one.

you have an implicit bias and I'm tired of beating my head against it

Again Cop-out. You're appealing to Bulverism.


And if I'm being totally honest I think you're the one with the implicit bias, here. You have a conceptions of what the military is that you refuse to budge on, even though that conception is not accurate.

[Crysuko]

you have an implicit bias and I'm tired of beating my head against it

Again Cop-out. You're appealing to Bulverism.


And if I'm being totally honest I think you're the one with the implicit bias, here. You have a conceptions of what the military is that you refuse to budge on, even though that conception is not accurate.

you have a bias, and that's colouring your (extremely poor) reasoning.

[Tarsonis]

Again Cop-out. You're appealing to Bulverism.


And if I'm being totally honest I think you're the one with the implicit bias, here. You have a conceptions of what the military is that you refuse to budge on, even though that conception is not accurate.

you have a bias, and that's colouring your (extremely poor) reasoning.

I'll take "I don't have a counter argument but I won't admit I'm wrong" for 600 Alex. Thanks for playing.

[Crysuko]

you have a bias, and that's colouring your (extremely poor) reasoning.

I'll take "I don't have a counter argument but I won't admit I'm wrong" for 600 Alex. Thanks for playing.

this is what it comes down to, you see yourself as the great arbiter of truth on your infallible ivory tower. sod this, i'm tired of dealing with such a close minded narcissist.

[Tarsonis]

I'll take "I don't have a counter argument but I won't admit I'm wrong" for 600 Alex. Thanks for playing.

this is what it comes down to, you see yourself as the great arbiter of truth on your infallible ivory tower. sod this, i'm tired of dealing with such a close minded narcissist.

Lol, your response to me has literally been nothing, but "you're biased" You haven't countered my argument, you haven't engaged with any of the points' countered the logic, or anything. So my conclusion to be left with is the reason you won't make an argument is because you don't have one.

And surprise when your lack of an argument isn't convincing, you're just dismissive of "I won't waste my time." If you're looking for the close minded narcissist, set the viewscreen to mirror mode, dude.


And just go be clear "You're biased" isn't an argument, unless you can actually demonstrate How that bias has influenced the interpretation of fact to an incorrect conclusion, which you haven't done.

Otherwise its the logical fallacy known as Bulverism.


If I'm wrong, prove it.

[Crysuko]

this is what it comes down to, you see yourself as the great arbiter of truth on your infallible ivory tower. sod this, i'm tired of dealing with such a close minded narcissist.

Lol, your response to me has literally been nothing, but "you're biased" You haven't countered my argument, you haven't engaged with any of the points' countered the logic, or anything. So my conclusion to be left with is the reason you won't make an argument is because you don't have one.

And surprise when your lack of an argument isn't convincing, you're just dismissive of "I won't waste my time." If you're looking for the close minded narcissist, set the viewscreen to mirror mode, dude.

I don't care for this constant push and pull, and for the sake of this flaming not continuing, you're going on the ignore list.

[Tarsonis]

Lol, your response to me has literally been nothing, but "you're biased" You haven't countered my argument, you haven't engaged with any of the points' countered the logic, or anything. So my conclusion to be left with is the reason you won't make an argument is because you don't have one.

And surprise when your lack of an argument isn't convincing, you're just dismissive of "I won't waste my time." If you're looking for the close minded narcissist, set the viewscreen to mirror mode, dude.

I don't care for this constant push and pull, and for the sake of this flaming not continuing, you're going on the ignore list.

I accept your admission of defeat.

[Crysuko]

I don't care for this constant push and pull, and for the sake of this flaming not continuing, you're going on the ignore list.

I accept your admission of defeat.

it's an admission of "I'm sick of your shit"

[Ameriganastan]

Oh, will you two shut up already? Cripes.

[Tarsonis]

I accept your admission of defeat.

it's an admission of "I'm sick of your shit"

Justify it to yourself however you want.

[Tarsonis]

Oh, will you two shut up already? Cripes.

No need to get jealous Ameri, you'll always be my favorite sparring partner

[Crysuko]

Oh, will you two shut up already? Cripes.

it's k, tar can go off and have his own little pretentiousness party which is no longer of my concern

[Tarsonis]

Oh, will you two shut up already? Cripes.

it's k, tar can go off and have his own little pretentiousness party which is no longer of my concern

Monopoly night must tear your family apart.

[Tarsonis]

https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/a ... fired.html

Here you go New Haven, rumor mill spinning hope for the franchise

[Ameriganastan]

https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/alex-kurtzman-fired.html

Here you go New Haven, rumor mill spinning hope for the franchise

Yeah, a little Googling indicates this rumor originates from 4Chan.

Not what I'd call a reputable source.

[Tarsonis]

https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/alex-kurtzman-fired.html

Here you go New Haven, rumor mill spinning hope for the franchise

Yeah, a little Googling indicates this rumor originates from 4Chan.

Not what I'd call a reputable source.

Ah, well shit.

[New haven america]

As much as I would love for that to happen, A. More than just Kurtzman needs to be fired, and B. they ain't gonna fire him because he doesn't have any conviction of his own but instead just does whatever his higher ups tell him.

For the former, The 4 Horsemen of the Trekspocalypse include: Kurtzman, Akiva Goldsman, Heather Kadin, and Michael Chabon. So all of them need to be fired because they're all shitty writers and producers who don't know what makes "genre works" good. For the latter, Kurtzman is a hack who only got to his position in Hollywood because of mommy and daddy's money as well as the fact that his main selling point is he'll make whatever studio higher ups tell him to without question. They want it he'll write it without fail or arguments.

[Morrdh]

https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/alex-kurtzman-fired.html

Here you go New Haven, rumor mill spinning hope for the franchise

Interesting times ahead if there is a grain of truth to it.

On a related note, nice to see Lower Decks getting some positivity.

[Myrensis]

https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/alex-kurtzman-fired.html

Here you go New Haven, rumor mill spinning hope for the franchise

We're not that lucky. Turning Trek into lowest common denominator schlock seems to be paying off for CBS.

[Vassenor]

https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/alex-kurtzman-fired.html

Here you go New Haven, rumor mill spinning hope for the franchise

We're not that lucky. Turning Trek into lowest common denominator schlock seems to be paying off for CBS.

Because stuff like Move Along Home was high culture apparently.

[Ameriganastan]

We're not that lucky. Turning Trek into lowest common denominator schlock seems to be paying off for CBS.

Because stuff like Move Along Home was high culture apparently.

One crappy episode VS an entirely crap series is not a strong debate.