Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:02 amCripes, could "Confessions And Lamentations" have ended any more depressingly? Jeez.
So Talia basically never existed? What the fuck.
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Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:02 amPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:45 amPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:20 amI don't know how Londo sleeps at night. Can't believe I used to like that guy.
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:48 amPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:23 pmThe Huskar Social Union wrote:I am very much enjoying your musings on londo.
I hope someone muses him upside his head with a blunt object.
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:19 pmPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:38 pmPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:23 pmAnyone notice how, during DS9's Bar Association, they have Pakleds crossing the picket line?
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:43 pmGrenartia wrote:Anyone notice how, during DS9's Bar Association, they have Pakleds crossing the picket line?
No. Was too distracted by the shitty writing of that episode.
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:10 pmPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:12 pmPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:24 amPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:29 amPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:44 amAnd Let That Be Your Last Battlefield is blatantly anti-racist, anti-war, "out of character crap". The Drumhead is blatantly anti-McCarthyist, anti-witchhunt, "out of character crap". For fuck's sakes, the entire Past Tense two-parter was blatantly anti-poverty, "out of character crap".
Star Trek has always been about fighting for equality, and for uplifting the disadvantaged. If you don't like its fucking agenda, why are you even a fucking fan?
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:55 amGrenartia wrote:Ameriganastan wrote:It's crap. Blatantly pro-union, out of character crap.
And Let That Be Your Last Battlefield is blatantly anti-racist, anti-war, "out of character crap". The Drumhead is blatantly anti-McCarthyist, anti-witchhunt, "out of character crap". For fuck's sakes, the entire Past Tense two-parter was blatantly anti-poverty, "out of character crap".
Star Trek has always been about fighting for equality, and for uplifting the disadvantaged. If you don't like its fucking agenda, why are you even a fucking fan?
You can have all the agenda you want if the episode is good. "Bar Association" was not. Quark is one of my favorite characters, and that episode writes him completely out of character to shove the pro-union point down your throat. Babylon 5 did the same thing. Presenting the pro-union side as borderline saints, while having the antagonist being cardboard and borderline cartoonish.
Also, watch you mouth.
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:58 amAmeriganastan wrote:Grenartia wrote:
And Let That Be Your Last Battlefield is blatantly anti-racist, anti-war, "out of character crap". The Drumhead is blatantly anti-McCarthyist, anti-witchhunt, "out of character crap". For fuck's sakes, the entire Past Tense two-parter was blatantly anti-poverty, "out of character crap".
Star Trek has always been about fighting for equality, and for uplifting the disadvantaged. If you don't like its fucking agenda, why are you even a fucking fan?
You can have all the agenda you want if the episode if good. "Bar Association" was not. Quark is one of my favorite characters, and that episode writes him completely out of character to shove the pro-union point down your throat.
How the hell was the greedy capitalist that literally seeks to exploit his workers "written completely out of character"? It only would've been out of character if he had been pro-union, and the only reason he gave into the union's demands at the end was because Sisko threatened to cut even farther into his profit margins than the union's demands would have.
Also, watch you mouth.
I can fucking cuss on this fucking forum.
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:06 amGrenartia wrote:How the hell was the greedy capitalist that literally seeks to exploit his workers "written completely out of character"? It only would've been out of character if he had been pro-union, and the only reason he gave into the union's demands at the end was because Sisko threatened to cut even farther into his profit margins than the union's demands would have.
I've gone over this like 3 times before, but what the Hell. Let's go again.
Quark is a greedy little prick like any Ferengi businessman. But he's not without his positive traits. And that episode removes those to make the pro-union side look better. No other episode has him basically tell a Dabo Girl "Screw me or your fired". Sure he hits on them, but he never goes that far except here. And let's not forget business was dead because of the Bajoran fast. He had to slice wages or fire scores of them. Oh, and the crux of episode was caused by Rom jerking off too much. But because writers are in a union, their side is presented as right in every aspect. And turning Sisko into a greedy landlord all of a sudden is also agitating. Quark is nearly beaten to death, and they spin even that into the pro-union message.
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:30 amAmeriganastan wrote:Grenartia wrote:How the hell was the greedy capitalist that literally seeks to exploit his workers "written completely out of character"? It only would've been out of character if he had been pro-union, and the only reason he gave into the union's demands at the end was because Sisko threatened to cut even farther into his profit margins than the union's demands would have.
I've gone over this like 3 times before, but what the Hell. Let's go again.
Quark is a greedy little prick like any Ferengi businessman. But he's not without his positive traits. And that episode removes those to make the pro-union side look better.
[Citation needed]
No other episode has him basically tell a Dabo Girl "Screw me or your fired".
Profit and Lace (as terrible as it was) had him basically do that as well, and that's just the first example off the top of my head. I'm sure I could find other examples from the first 3 seasons.
Sure he hits on them, but he never goes that far except here. And let's not forget business was dead because of the Bajoran fast. He had to slice wages or fire scores of them.
He also undoubtedly had mountains of latinum saved up from his previous profits. He very likely wasn't hurting for cash nearly as bad as his ranting would have you believe. It is only because of his Ferengi greed that he "couldn't" afford to keep paying his workers their usual wages.
Oh, and the crux of episode was caused by Rom jerking off too much.
The man has needs, but moreover, what does that have to do with literally anything else we're talking about here?
But because writers are in a union, their side is presented as right in every aspect.
Wow, people who are in a union, and likely also have experienced working without union protection, tend to be pro-union! What a fucking conspiracy!
And turning Sisko into a greedy landlord all of a sudden is also agitating.
You missed the entire fucking point of that. He didn't "turn into a greedy landlord", he decided to give Quark a taste of his own capitalist medicine, to restore order back to the Promenade. Its almost as if Sisko is ultimately the one responsible for ensuring the station is a safe and peaceful place to be.
Quark is nearly beaten to death, and they spin even that into the pro-union message.
What the fuck do you even have against unions anyways? Are you a literal Ferengi Liquidator or something? Brunt, is that you?
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:46 amAmeriganastan wrote:Grenartia wrote:How the hell was the greedy capitalist that literally seeks to exploit his workers "written completely out of character"? It only would've been out of character if he had been pro-union, and the only reason he gave into the union's demands at the end was because Sisko threatened to cut even farther into his profit margins than the union's demands would have.
I've gone over this like 3 times before, but what the Hell. Let's go again.
1. Quark is a greedy little prick like any Ferengi businessman. 2. But he's not without his positive traits. 3. And that episode removes those to make the pro-union side look better. 3. No other episode has him basically tell a Dabo Girl "Screw me or your fired". 4. Sure he hits on them, but he never goes that far except here. 5. And let's not forget business was dead because of the Bajoran fast. He had to slice wages or fire scores of them. Oh, and the crux of episode was caused by Rom jerking off too much. But because writers are in a union, their side is presented as right in every aspect. 6. And turning Sisko into a greedy landlord all of a sudden is also agitating. Quark is nearly beaten to death, and they spin even that into the pro-union message.
1. Yes, that's been the case throughout the entire series, he has very little character progression
2. Again, also true. He's very family oriented, surprisingly humble, inquisitive and inquisitive (Traits he shares with Rom), etc...
3. Yes there is, a lot of them are in the first 3 seasons, Profit and Lace has it, flashback episodes to Terok Nor has him trading sex for lodging payments for his waitresses.
4. Refer to part 3
5. If he was a good businessman (Which has been shown to be a debatable fact throughout the series), then he would've planned ahead for this as he would've experienced it before, but he didn't, because he's Quark.
6. He did it so Quark and Rom would work out the problem. He's negotiating and mediating, that's what you do when you run an area that houses multiple businesses and properties.
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:51 amGrenartia wrote:Ameriganastan wrote:I've gone over this like 3 times before, but what the Hell. Let's go again.
Quark is a greedy little prick like any Ferengi businessman. But he's not without his positive traits. And that episode removes those to make the pro-union side look better.
[Citation needed]No other episode has him basically tell a Dabo Girl "Screw me or your fired".
Profit and Lace (as terrible as it was) had him basically do that as well, and that's just the first example off the top of my head. I'm sure I could find other examples from the first 3 seasons.Sure he hits on them, but he never goes that far except here. And let's not forget business was dead because of the Bajoran fast. He had to slice wages or fire scores of them.
He also undoubtedly had mountains of latinum saved up from his previous profits. He very likely wasn't hurting for cash nearly as bad as his ranting would have you believe. It is only because of his Ferengi greed that he "couldn't" afford to keep paying his workers their usual wages.Oh, and the crux of episode was caused by Rom jerking off too much.
The man has needs, but moreover, what does that have to do with literally anything else we're talking about here?But because writers are in a union, their side is presented as right in every aspect.
Wow, people who are in a union, and likely also have experienced working without union protection, tend to be pro-union! What a fucking conspiracy!And turning Sisko into a greedy landlord all of a sudden is also agitating.
You missed the entire fucking point of that. He didn't "turn into a greedy landlord", he decided to give Quark a taste of his own capitalist medicine, to restore order back to the Promenade. Its almost as if Sisko is ultimately the one responsible for ensuring the station is a safe and peaceful place to be.Quark is nearly beaten to death, and they spin even that into the pro-union message.
What the fuck do you even have against unions anyways? Are you a literal Ferengi Liquidator or something? Brunt, is that you?
Misplaced anger and hatred. IIRC, his first job had a union that went on strike, which got him fired, which has caused him to hate all unions now and forever.
In reality, he should be mad at the owners as they were willing to fire him (A non union worker) rather than work with the union and other employees. Also, the fact that unions aren't really an organization, at least not in the sense we generally think of, they're more so tools to be used in order to gain worker leverage, which can be both positive and negative admittedly. But other than that, they're a neutral force whose simple job is to fight for the workers, with what they fight for varying in causes and reasons.
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:00 amGrenartia wrote:
[Citation needed]
Sold food to the Bajorans when DS9 was still Terok Nor.
Got Damar hammered and took vital info back to the occupation resistance.
Got sliced protecting a Dabo Girl.
Saved Nog from a Jem'Hadar on AR-558.
Saved 28 million people from a crazy arms trader with no guarantee he'd survive.
etc.
Grenartia wrote:Profit and Lace (as terrible as it was) had him basically do that as well, and that's just the first example off the top of my head. I'm sure I could find other examples from the first 3 seasons.
If you have to cite Profit And Lace to defend your stance, then it's a very shaky one.
Grenartia wrote:He also undoubtedly had mountains of latinum saved up from his previous profits. He very likely wasn't hurting for cash nearly as bad as his ranting would have you believe. It is only because of his Ferengi greed that he "couldn't" afford to keep paying his workers their usual wages.
He's running a business, not a charity. And again, he could have fired the lot of them but he didn't.
Grenartia wrote:The man has needs, but moreover, what does that have to do with literally anything else we're talking about here?
Cause that's what kicks the whole stupid episode off. Rom spanks it too much and gets sick, and acts like not getting a sick day for his idiocy is Quarks fault.
Grenartia wrote:You missed the entire fucking point of that. He didn't "turn into a greedy landlord", he decided to give Quark a taste of his own capitalist medicine, to restore order back to the Promenade. Its almost as if Sisko is ultimately the one responsible for ensuring the station is a safe and peaceful place to be.
Sisko, a citizen from a civilization that evolved past money, suddenly becoming a money grubbing dick isn't anything but bad writing.
Grenartia wrote:What the fuck do you even have against unions anyways? Are you a literal Ferengi Liquidator or something? Brunt, is that you?
Various things. But for the sake of this discussion, it's that strike episodes make shitty TV.
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:08 amPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:09 amAmeriganastan wrote:Grenartia wrote:
[Citation needed]
Sold food to the Bajorans when DS9 was still Terok Nor.
Got Damar hammered and took vital info back to the occupation resistance.
Got sliced protecting a Dabo Girl.
Saved Nog from a Jem'Hadar on AR-558.
Saved 28 million people from a crazy arms trader with no guarantee he'd survive.
etc.Grenartia wrote:Profit and Lace (as terrible as it was) had him basically do that as well, and that's just the first example off the top of my head. I'm sure I could find other examples from the first 3 seasons.
If you have to cite Profit And Lace to defend your stance, then it's a very shaky one.Grenartia wrote:He also undoubtedly had mountains of latinum saved up from his previous profits. He very likely wasn't hurting for cash nearly as bad as his ranting would have you believe. It is only because of his Ferengi greed that he "couldn't" afford to keep paying his workers their usual wages.
He's running a business, not a charity. And again, he could have fired the lot of them but he didn't.Grenartia wrote:The man has needs, but moreover, what does that have to do with literally anything else we're talking about here?
Cause that's what kicks the whole stupid episode off. Rom spanks it too much and gets sick, and acts like not getting a sick day for his idiocy is Quarks fault.Grenartia wrote:You missed the entire fucking point of that. He didn't "turn into a greedy landlord", he decided to give Quark a taste of his own capitalist medicine, to restore order back to the Promenade. Its almost as if Sisko is ultimately the one responsible for ensuring the station is a safe and peaceful place to be.
Sisko, a citizen from a civilization that evolved past money, suddenly becoming a money grubbing dick isn't anything but bad writing.Grenartia wrote:What the fuck do you even have against unions anyways? Are you a literal Ferengi Liquidator or something? Brunt, is that you?
Various things. But for the sake of this discussion, it's that strike episodes make shitty TV.
You're forgetting that he doesn't have control of the station, Bajor does, and as such all businesses that operate there have to pay rent. Only reason Quark gets free rent is because Sisko thought his shop would be highly valuable and high traffic in the future (Which he was right about), but he's not running a charity either, so he can rescind Quarks free rent anytime he chooses.
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:21 amThe Huskar Social Union wrote:
Yeah, save the popcorn. Cause I'm sleepy and going to bed.