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Initial Thoughts on Discovery

Love it
56
14%
Like it
92
23%
So-so
114
29%
Dislike it
44
11%
Hate it
90
23%
 
Total votes : 396

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Postby New haven america » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:14 pm

Bralia wrote:I think I'll break down everything into bullet points, my mind will work better that way:

1. Kira Nerys is probably my most disliked character in the history of my television watching. She wasn't a bad character nor was she poorly written, I just hated the ever living shit out of her.
2. The Ferengi sucked and they were only ever on the screen so we could laugh at them (I made this opinion clear enough already, I don't think I need to go into this any further).
3. Garak was a disappointment, too. He was one of the series' best written characters and yet, in the end, I felt like it didn't amount to anything. I feel like out of what little role he did play in the war, he didn't get anything out of it. I feel like he deserved a more satisfying end, be it positive or negative. I think they may have gone a little overboard with his grey character at the end, it just felt like he was even more out of place than ever before.
4. I was also upset over the lack of the exploration in the series, but I think this part is mostly down to my own expectations and also not actually a flaw with the series. Just a difference of opinion on what I want out of Star Trek. Like . . . there was a whole Gamma Quadrant and the writers basically wrote it out really quickly. No room for new and fun stuff, really. But then if it were different and more in line with what I wanted, it really wouldn't be the DS9 that I know a ton of people love for what it actually is.
5. I don't think Odo got enough love. He was the new, cool alien on the regular cast and I felt like they didn't do enough with him. He should have been more involved in the politics of the show, imo. I felt like he was too much of just a cop most of the time.
6. Speaking of Odo, the specific Odo-Quark relationship was horrible. "I'm watching you Quark!" "You'll never catch me, hehehe!". This sort of bheaviour happened throughout the show. Never amounted to a damn thing. NOT EVEN ONCE. Except for that one time Quark got locked up for a week. One. Fucking. Week.
7. Don't even get me started on the whole religion in general being in Star Trek. Literally do not get me started. Because I can't form a coherent thought here. My brain cannot handle any more Bajoran bullshit. I've had my share.

Now here's the opinion that's surely the most offensive and I didn't want to get into back in the day:

8. Gul Dukat was all talk and I never once felt the threat from him beyond his late seasons lunacy. He was a ruler during a period of occupation. But never once did I feel that the character lived up to his accused mass murdering ways. And yes . . . I actually say accused. Yeah, the Bajorans were conquered in a war of Cardassian imperialism. Yeah, the Bajorans were pissed. They committed "acts of terror/freedom fight" in retaliation. And the Cardassians counter-reacted to THAT. That's how occupations HAPPEN. At this point there are bad people on both sides . . . *cough* . . . and it's entirely based on perspective on who's actually the most bad when viewed from a third party's lens. And I do NOT trust the Bajorans. I have no reason to trust them more than the Cardassians and Dukat. Maybe the writers did a little too well in "humanizing" Dukat during that one period of the show because I just don't get the whole "as bad as a Nazi vibe" from him.

1. She was pretty adversarial and abrasive in the early season, but after the she really mellowed out.
2. Quark, Rom, and Nog are great and I will hear nothing to the contrary
3. Yeah, that happens sometimes. Life doesn't always have a super happy of sad ending for people, sometimes their part in an event just ends.
4. They did explore though, but I do admit that the problems with The Dominion made that difficult towards the end.
5. He was an outcast and test subject who was able to create an entire family of friends, got the women of his dreams, and ended up being the person responsible for saving the entire Alpha, Beta, and Gamma Quadrants. Um... ok, sure, he did nothing.
6A. That's because it was a joke, B. There's a method to his madness, he admits that he's really just using Quark to get to the bigger fish (Quite a few times actually, with the most notable example being in Hippocratic Oath)
7. Why?
8. Uh, Bra. That's exactly what Dukat wants you to think...
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Postby New haven america » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:15 pm

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The Huskar Social Union wrote:Calling Dukat bad? Oh boy ill be in the bunker till the war ends then ill sweep away the ashes.


That’s what Dukat would do.

He just wanted to make Cardassia strong again.
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Postby Juristonia » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:27 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
I liked it, thought it was a good finishing episode for the season, shame Pike wont be in it anymore he was really fucking good, but im interested to see what they will do in the next season with Discovery stuck in the futur.

Those time travel scenes were fucking cool, really well done. Loved the arrival of the D-7 fleet too, that was neat. So was the gravity fight between Georgiou and Leland.

Rip Admiral Cornwell, she was alright, kind of saw either her or Number One dying though so was not too surprised. Honestly thought more than that would die.


Definitely a proper sendoff for the Enterprise.
I'm kind of excited to see where they're going with the show now. It feels like they took the training wheels off and go somewhere new with the whole thing.
Loving the show so far, but they have been leaning a bit too heavy on the "Look! It's that thing you know from before!" stuff, so it's gonna be interesting to see what they're going to do without that.

ONE THING THAT BUGGED ME THOUGH
I get the whole admiral self sacrificing to save the ship deal, but they could've at least placed the manual override switch not right next to the door.
She could've easily pulled the switch from outside the room by sticking her arm out and then, you know, not die.
But that's nitpicking.
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Postby Rostavykhan » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:50 pm

Gul Dukat did nothing wrong, change my mind.

I still get a chuckle whenever I think of Gul Dukat's bizarre adventure from being a genocidal military leader, to putting on Intergalactic blackface and starting a murdercult. His story arch was fucken weird. I loved it.


Garak was also great. Would've loved to see more of him for sure.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:00 am

New haven america wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
That’s what Dukat would do.

He just wanted to make Cardassia strong again.


He was going to build a subspace graviton field and make Bajor pay for it!
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:29 am

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New haven america wrote:He just wanted to make Cardassia strong again.


He was going to build a subspace graviton field and make Bajor pay for it!

I think you mean a polarized antigraviton field.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:29 am

Juristonia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:
I liked it, thought it was a good finishing episode for the season, shame Pike wont be in it anymore he was really fucking good, but im interested to see what they will do in the next season with Discovery stuck in the futur.

Those time travel scenes were fucking cool, really well done. Loved the arrival of the D-7 fleet too, that was neat. So was the gravity fight between Georgiou and Leland.

Rip Admiral Cornwell, she was alright, kind of saw either her or Number One dying though so was not too surprised. Honestly thought more than that would die.


Definitely a proper sendoff for the Enterprise.
I'm kind of excited to see where they're going with the show now. It feels like they took the training wheels off and go somewhere new with the whole thing.
Loving the show so far, but they have been leaning a bit too heavy on the "Look! It's that thing you know from before!" stuff, so it's gonna be interesting to see what they're going to do without that.

ONE THING THAT BUGGED ME THOUGH
I get the whole admiral self sacrificing to save the ship deal, but they could've at least placed the manual override switch not right next to the door.
She could've easily pulled the switch from outside the room by sticking her arm out and then, you know, not die.
But that's nitpicking.

Yeah that is a thing that annoyed me a bit, few other small nitpicks too like why didnt control's fleet open fire immediately when it came into the system.

Or when they were going after control in the room where it thought the sphere DNA was why did georgiou and your woman go in on their own, why not call for a team of security to charge in guns blazing the second the door opened?
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Postby Juristonia » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:38 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Yeah that is a thing that annoyed me a bit, few other small nitpicks too like why didnt control's fleet open fire immediately when it came into the system.

Or when they were going after control in the room where it thought the sphere DNA was why did georgiou and your woman go in on their own, why not call for a team of security to charge in guns blazing the second the door opened?


Aah, but that would've ruined the pre-fight morale speeches and the strong-independent-women-who-don't-need-no-man banter.
Admittedly, pretty decent banter. An AI sausage? Classic bants.

BUT THE DOOR SWITCH WAS RIGHT THERE.
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Juristonia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Yeah that is a thing that annoyed me a bit, few other small nitpicks too like why didnt control's fleet open fire immediately when it came into the system.

Or when they were going after control in the room where it thought the sphere DNA was why did georgiou and your woman go in on their own, why not call for a team of security to charge in guns blazing the second the door opened?


Aah, but that would've ruined the pre-fight morale speeches and the strong-independent-women-who-don't-need-no-man banter.
Admittedly, pretty decent banter. An AI sausage? Classic bants.

BUT THE DOOR SWITCH WAS RIGHT THERE.
(I don't know why this bugs me, but it does)

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Postby Maichuko » Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:34 am

The first season of Deep Space Nine is better than I remembered. One thing that surprised me though was I noticed how radically different Rom was back then, he just acts like a generic Ferengi asshole from TNG he even talks differently.
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Maichuko wrote:The first season of Deep Space Nine is better than I remembered. One thing that surprised me though was I noticed how radically different Rom was back then, he just acts like a generic Ferengi asshole from TNG he even talks differently.

Yeah, that was weird to see on the rewatch. Especially the "He couldn't fix a straw if it was bent" line. Boy did that prove untrue later on.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:06 am

Ameriganastan wrote:
Maichuko wrote:The first season of Deep Space Nine is better than I remembered. One thing that surprised me though was I noticed how radically different Rom was back then, he just acts like a generic Ferengi asshole from TNG he even talks differently.

Yeah, that was weird to see on the rewatch. Especially the "He couldn't fix a straw if it was bent" line. Boy did that prove untrue later on.


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The interesting thing, though, is trying to figure out the specific point in the series where all that changed, and his character became distinct and better developed.

With, say, Commander Riker, its really easy, you can tell based on his beard.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:27 am

Grenartia wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Yeah, that was weird to see on the rewatch. Especially the "He couldn't fix a straw if it was bent" line. Boy did that prove untrue later on.


Image


The interesting thing, though, is trying to figure out the specific point in the series where all that changed, and his character became distinct and better developed.

With, say, Commander Riker, its really easy, you can tell based on his beard.

It starts when he allows Nog to go to Keiko's school and accepts him being friends with Jake, and then evolves over the course of season 2 as he gets simultaneously smarter and dumber.
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New haven america wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
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The interesting thing, though, is trying to figure out the specific point in the series where all that changed, and his character became distinct and better developed.

With, say, Commander Riker, its really easy, you can tell based on his beard.

It starts when he allows Nog to go to Keiko's school and accepts him being friends with Jake, and then evolves over the course of season 2 as he gets simultaneously smarter and dumber.

Sounds about right. Goes from a guy who treats his kid like dirt, to a guy who threatens to burn his brothers bar down for effing with his Starfleet tests.
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Nog evolves from a loving father who tried failing strategies to protect his child into a loving father who applies efficient strategies.

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Auristania wrote:Nog evolves from a loving father who tried failing strategies to protect his child into a loving father who applies efficient strategies.


You mean Rom
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Auristania wrote:Nog evolves from a loving father who tried failing strategies to protect his child into a loving father who applies efficient strategies.


You mean Rom


Maybe he's pitching us a character development ideas for a DS9 revisit.
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Grenartia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
You mean Rom


Maybe he's pitching us a character development ideas for a DS9 revisit.


I might believe that from anyone else.
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Aaaand the "it's not real Trek because it doesn't fit what I think it should be" crap has already started.
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Aaaand the "it's not real Trek because it doesn't fit what I think it should be" crap has already started.

Not even that. Without any details on what this series will be like, some so-called Trekkies are still determined to attack any new Star Trek at all.
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And Nick's gonna either cancel it in a season or stop showing episodes halfway through.
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Are there any concept sketches anywhere? I would love to see what the art style will be.
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Vassenor wrote:Aaaand the "it's not real Trek because it doesn't fit what I think it should be" crap has already started.

Not even that. Without any details on what this series will be like, some so-called Trekkies are still determined to attack any new Star Trek at all.


So far all we know is "group of kids find derelict Starfleet ship and hijinks ensue" and everyone is losing their god damn minds over it.
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