Scifi TV Discussion Thread

[Tarsonis]

Meh

[Ameriganastan]

I guess I should finish season 1 then.

[Juristonia]

Eeexcellent.
Was pleasantly surprised after a relatively slow start, so I'm looking forward to season 2.

[Vassenor]

Video blocked for me.

[Ameriganastan]

And here's a trailer for the actual Star Trek like show we talk about.

[Grenartia]

Discovered this. Wanting to listen, but watching TOS right now.

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

Just a reminder, but obviously, this variation of Starfleet's uniform is the best.

[Tarsonis]

And here's a trailer for the actual Star Trek like show we talk about.

[Grenartia]

Just a reminder, but obviously, this variation of Starfleet's uniform is the best.

Nah. The ENT uniforms are best, followed by the later DS9-era uniforms. I will accept no arguments otherwise.

EDIT: Unless you're wanting to argue for the 2160s uniform.

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

Just a reminder, but obviously, this variation of Starfleet's uniform is the best.

Nah. The ENT uniforms are best, followed by the later DS9-era uniforms. I will accept no arguments otherwise.

EDIT: Unless you're wanting to argue for the 2160s uniform.

That's your opinion, and I respect that, but here is my argument on why the 2270s-2350s uniform is best.

The 2140/2160s uniform. The ENT uniform looks way too militaristic/utilitarian. The way the division colors appear on the shoulders doesn't look right. I can't get the word, but it just feels... odd. The mission patch is not centered correctly, in my opinion, on the shoulder patch. I get that it's in early Trek history, so there needs to be an obvious difference, but it feels like a massive outlier in the Trek uniform spectrum.

The 2370s uniform. I get the DS9/TNG-movies looks cool, but from a distance, it just looks like they're wearing a black jumpsuit, because the quilted patch is just gray, and you have to see the undershirt and/or division band to identify the crewman's division. If anything, the VOY-style/early-DS9 version of this uniform is better because it's much easier to see the division color.

The 2160s uniform is just an amalgamation of the ENT and VOY uniforms, so I'm unsure on that one, but it's still below the glorious uniform I support and while now present my case on why it is and always shall be (spocko) the best uniform.

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But, with the 2270-2350 uniform, it's like wearing a tuxedo. You feel badass while wearing it (standard uniform with jackets), and it looks very ornate and it fits the Navy-aesthetic of this era (from the interior of the Enterprise, Enterprise-A and Excelsior). It's apparently the longest-used uniform in the Trek series, if you count the divisions. There are many different variations, including a bomber jacket, (which is only able to be used by officers ranked Captain or higher), the utility uniforms, which enlisted crew use, a vest (again, only used by Captains and ranked above), and many other variations.

Also, the 2270-2350 uniform was immortalized in one of the best (if not the best) eras of Trek history, from Wrath of Khan (greatest Trek masterpiece), to TNG (specifically, the episodes "Cause and Effect", "Yesterday's Enterprise", and "Family"). This uniform, with all variations included, is better than all the rest due to all of the above reasons, and you'd have to insert a Ceti eel into me to change my opinion on this uniform.

[Ameriganastan]

I like the ones between the TNG uniforms and the gray uniforms best. Where the section color is just on the shoulders.

[Grenartia]

Nah. The ENT uniforms are best, followed by the later DS9-era uniforms. I will accept no arguments otherwise.

EDIT: Unless you're wanting to argue for the 2160s uniform.

That's your opinion, and I respect that, but here is my argument on why the 2270s-2350s uniform is best.

1. The 2140/2160s uniform. The ENT uniform looks way too militaristic/utilitarian. The way the division colors appear on the shoulders doesn't look right. I can't get the word, but it just feels... odd. The mission patch is not centered correctly, in my opinion, on the shoulder patch. I get that it's in early Trek history, so there needs to be an obvious difference, but it feels like a massive outlier in the Trek uniform spectrum.

2. The 2370s uniform. I get the DS9/TNG-movies looks cool, but from a distance, it just looks like they're wearing a black jumpsuit, because the quilted patch is just gray, and you have to see the undershirt and/or division band to identify the crewman's division. If anything, the VOY-style/early-DS9 version of this uniform is better because it's much easier to see the division color.

3. The 2160s uniform is just an amalgamation of the ENT and VOY uniforms, so I'm unsure on that one, but it's still below the glorious uniform I support and while now present my case on why it is and always shall be (spocko) the best uniform.

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4. But, with the 2270-2350 uniform, it's like wearing a tuxedo. You feel badass while wearing it (standard uniform with jackets), and it looks very ornate and it fits the Navy-aesthetic of this era (from the interior of the Enterprise, Enterprise-A and Excelsior). It's apparently the longest-used uniform in the Trek series, if you count the divisions. There are many different variations, including a bomber jacket, (which is only able to be used by officers ranked Captain or higher), the utility uniforms, which enlisted crew use, a vest (again, only used by Captains and ranked above), and many other variations.

Also, the 2270-2350 uniform was immortalized in one of the best (if not the best) eras of Trek history, from Wrath of Khan (greatest Trek masterpiece), to TNG (specifically, the episodes "Cause and Effect", "Yesterday's Enterprise", and "Family"). This uniform, with all variations included, is better than all the rest due to all of the above reasons, and you'd have to insert a Ceti eel into me to change my opinion on this uniform.

1. Its no more militaristic than the flight suits used by NASA. As for being "too utilitarian", they're in space. Things should be utilitarian in space. TNG, DS9, and VOY each acknowledge this by including utility wear uniforms (as does your beloved 2270s uniform). This is an aspect of clothing that I have to disagree with Roddenberry on. Zippered pockets are bae, even in a future with artificial grav. I see no problem with the placement of the shoulder patches or the way the division colors look.

2. I'd like to direct your attention to the fact that the division colors on the 2370s uniforms are far more distinct than the division colors on your much beloved 2270s-2350s uniforms. You can distinguish between a small amount of gold, red, and teal much easier than you can the same amount of grey and white and light green, especially at a distance. Also, why do you necessarily need to distinguish division colors at a distance?

3. If it had more pockets, it would easily top the 2140s-2160s uniform.

4. Yes, I agree, its like wearing a tuxedo. Which is why it should've been the dress uniform, instead of a duty uniform. Also, I'm confused by you. You tell me the 2140s-60s uniform is too militaristic, but you openly admire the naval aesthetic of the 2270s-2350s uniform. As for the bomber jacket, the 2160s uniform has one, and it didn't appear to be restricted by rank, either. And, again, the fact that your beloved uniform needed a utility variant demonstrates the necessity of utilitarian clothing.

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

1. Its no more militaristic than the flight suits used by NASA. As for being "too utilitarian", they're in space. Things should be utilitarian in space. TNG, DS9, and VOY each acknowledge this by including utility wear uniforms (as does your beloved 2270s uniform). This is an aspect of clothing that I have to disagree with Roddenberry on. Zippered pockets are bae, even in a future with artificial grav. I see no problem with the placement of the shoulder patches or the way the division colors look.

2. I'd like to direct your attention to the fact that the division colors on the 2370s uniforms are far more distinct than the division colors on your much beloved 2270s-2350s uniforms. You can distinguish between a small amount of gold, red, and teal much easier than you can the same amount of grey and white and light green, especially at a distance. Also, why do you necessarily need to distinguish division colors at a distance?

3. If it had more pockets, it would easily top the 2140s-2160s uniform.

4. Yes, I agree, its like wearing a tuxedo. Which is why it should've been the dress uniform, instead of a duty uniform. Also, I'm confused by you. You tell me the 2140s-60s uniform is too militaristic, but you openly admire the naval aesthetic of the 2270s-2350s uniform. As for the bomber jacket, the 2160s uniform has one, and it didn't appear to be restricted by rank, either. And, again, the fact that your beloved uniform needed a utility variant demonstrates the necessity of utilitarian clothing.

I see your points. I'm just more appreciative of the way the jacket uses a lot of... I dunno, I guess "dress" aspects, as you mentioned, and I just think it looks pretty awesome. In my opinion, I would much rather wear the 2270s-2350s uniforms because they look more refined than say, your 2140s-2160s uniforms, which look like they were designed to be used as jumpsuits rather than fully fledged uniforms (that being said, I do remember the scenes in certain ENT episodes where the use the suit along with a button-up and tie, but still, it feels odd).

The 2370s had some good designs, but I just feel like they're lacking. I get that Starfleet (as well as Paramount [NOT CBS]) needs to be able to pump out uniforms for each new member that joined the organization, most notably in the Dominion War, but that's the problem. They feel churned out and there's no real personality. The 2270s-2350s uniforms feel much more personal, since they have a lot of detail and intricacies, such as the shoulder straps, the badges (which were more stylized than in TNG onwards), and everything else I couldn't mention. I do realize that these were also made quickly, as they needed time to film the movies they were all used in, but there's a lot more detail and personality in my "beloved" uniforms than the ones you mentioned (including ENT).

Also, I should've clarified, I made a mistake. By "naval aesthetic", I most likely was referencing to the dress uniforms that most armed forces, to my knowledge, use in things like pictures, and duty-leave situations, as the world's navies use similar uniforms to the ones you support.

I get it, I've spouted hypocrisy and I've made factual errors, and I acknowledge that. But, in my opinion, the 2270s-2350s uniforms will always be better than the rest of the series (so far), just because they have a lot of details put into them, they've been used the longest in Star Trek canon compared to other uniforms, and the signify an important era in Trek history (not to say your uniforms don't either).

How about we call it a draw? The 2140s-60s are superior in utility/simplicity, and the 2270s-2350s are superior in detail/decorative aesthetic. How's that sound?

[Vassenor]

And here's a trailer for the actual Star Trek like show we talk about.

I don't know about anyone else but I'm starting to get bored of this spiel.

[New haven america]

1. Its no more militaristic than the flight suits used by NASA. As for being "too utilitarian", they're in space. Things should be utilitarian in space. TNG, DS9, and VOY each acknowledge this by including utility wear uniforms (as does your beloved 2270s uniform). This is an aspect of clothing that I have to disagree with Roddenberry on. Zippered pockets are bae, even in a future with artificial grav. I see no problem with the placement of the shoulder patches or the way the division colors look.

2. I'd like to direct your attention to the fact that the division colors on the 2370s uniforms are far more distinct than the division colors on your much beloved 2270s-2350s uniforms. You can distinguish between a small amount of gold, red, and teal much easier than you can the same amount of grey and white and light green, especially at a distance. Also, why do you necessarily need to distinguish division colors at a distance?

3. If it had more pockets, it would easily top the 2140s-2160s uniform.

4. Yes, I agree, its like wearing a tuxedo. Which is why it should've been the dress uniform, instead of a duty uniform. Also, I'm confused by you. You tell me the 2140s-60s uniform is too militaristic, but you openly admire the naval aesthetic of the 2270s-2350s uniform. As for the bomber jacket, the 2160s uniform has one, and it didn't appear to be restricted by rank, either. And, again, the fact that your beloved uniform needed a utility variant demonstrates the necessity of utilitarian clothing.

I get that Starfleet (as well as CBS) needs to be able to pump out uniforms for each new member that joined the organization,

CBS didn't own Trek at the time, Paramount did.

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

I get that Starfleet (as well as CBS) needs to be able to pump out uniforms for each new member that joined the organization,

CBS didn't own Trek at the time, Paramount did.

oh fuck thats right

im unworthy

*pulls out phaser*

lord khan have mercy

*vaporizes self*

[New haven america]

And here's a trailer for the actual Star Trek like show we talk about.

I don't know about anyone else but I'm starting to get bored of this spiel.

I'm not, a lot of other places would crucify me (And have tried) for saying only half of what I've said about Discovery in this thread.

Let's not change it, k?

[New haven america]

CBS didn't own Trek at the time, Paramount did.

oh fuck thats right

im unworthy

*pulls out phaser*

lord khan have mercy

*vaporizes self*

As long as you admit your mistake then your death will not be entirely in vain.

[Juristonia]

And here's a trailer for the actual Star Trek like show we talk about.

I don't know about anyone else but I'm starting to get bored of this spiel.

You're not alone.

[Charellia]

And here's a trailer for the actual Star Trek like show we talk about.

Looks a lot better than the Discovery trailer.

[Auristania]

Manchester United football club (soccer) is famous for changing their uniforms every few years just to make the fans buy new uniforms.

But on the other hand, real life militaries often have 3 or more uniforms each: dress, parade and battle. Picard's dress uniform, the long maroon tunic is prettier than Kirk's gold shirt with braid. Dress uniform's function is to be pretty for fancy occasions and should ONLY be judged on prettiness.

Battle fatigues must be judged on practicality, there must be enough pockets, utility belts etc to carry all the equipment a soldier needs.

Regular uniform to do ordinary stuff, a mish-mash of pretty and practical.

Federation has

evolved

beyond money and meat and cheese and mourning our dead and shit and anger and paper and door-knobs ...

Has Fed

evolved

beyond pockets?

[Tarsonis]

And here's a trailer for the actual Star Trek like show we talk about.

I don't know about anyone else but I'm starting to get bored of this spiel.

Yeah well I’m bored of you.

[Ameriganastan]

I don't know about anyone else but I'm starting to get bored of this spiel.

Yeah well I’m bored of you.

[The Huskar Social Union]

How about you watch what you want and drop the snark at other people for watching other things because you dont like those things as much?

"FUCK UP HUSKAR"

Okay

[Hurdergaryp]

Nerds busy pissing each other off? Don't mind if I join the party, then!