Scifi TV Discussion Thread

[Grenartia]

I've heard Patrick Stewart did a cameo in Frasier, so I'm looking out for that one.

1. YouTube is your friend.

Honestly, all I need to do is look for Casey Biggs, and I can claim I'm an expert at Keeping Up with the Cardassians.

2. IMDB shows he mostly does parts in the crime procedural circuit these days. Mentalist, Person Of Interest, Elementary, etc.

1. Its far more rewarding for me to do it organically.

2. Ew. I've never been a big fan of that stuff.

[Purpelia]

Not to be rude, but that argument is just downright rude to Yelchin. Yes, he died two years ago, but that does not mean that they can just "throw in" a dedication, as you so delicately put it.

He put in a lot of work into the Kelvin series, and they should have something more special than just "oh yeah, one of our cast died in a horrible accident."

Yeah, maybe I did choose the wrong words to describe it, but still, if they were to just gloss over his death, it would just be wrong.

Also, you might want to change that "ancient history" remark.

No, I will not change it. Two years is ancient history. And by the time the next movie comes out it will probably be another year or two. And that's even more ancient history.

As far as I am concerned you only need to honor people who died during the making of the movie or really close to it. Like when George Lucas dies I'd expect the next Star Wars movie to throw him a line assuming it comes out within a year or so. But if it comes out 5 years later I don't and would frankly find it very odd if they did because it's digging up something from way back. It would just feel like a cheap attempt at gaining sympathy votes at that point.

[Ameriganastan]

2. Ew. I've never been a big fan of that stuff.

He sure is, though. I'm scrolling through and that's basically the bulk of his credits. His sci-fi stuff seems to consist solely of Damar and an episode of enterprise. Hell, he's been in them since Matlock.

Waste of talent right there.

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

Why do they need to acknowledge it though? I mean sure, he died but it was years ago and by the time any new movie comes out will be years more. It's not disrespectful to not acknowledge ancient history. And they can always throw in a special dedication or something in the credits.

In case you missed it the first time, Anton played a major character. Its not like Chekov was some random redshirt that only got a line or two in one movie. He was a bridge officer, and in the last movie, he got as much screen time as anyone else. In short, in any future Kelvin movie, HIS ABSENCE WILL BE FELT. Not just in an OOC sense. In a very real IC sense, as well. That is something that needs to be addressed onscreen.

Great argument!

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

Not to be rude, but that argument is just downright rude to Yelchin. Yes, he died two years ago, but that does not mean that they can just "throw in" a dedication, as you so delicately put it.

He put in a lot of work into the Kelvin series, and they should have something more special than just "oh yeah, one of our cast died in a horrible accident."

Yeah, maybe I did choose the wrong words to describe it, but still, if they were to just gloss over his death, it would just be wrong.

Also, you might want to change that "ancient history" remark.

No, I will not change it. Two years is ancient history. And by the time the next movie comes out it will probably be another year or two. And that's even more ancient history.

As far as I am concerned you only need to honor people who died during the making of the movie or really close to it. Like when George Lucas dies I'd expect the next Star Wars movie to throw him a line assuming it comes out within a year or so. But if it comes out 5 years later I don't and would frankly find it very odd if they did because it's digging up something from way back. It would just feel like a cheap attempt at gaining sympathy votes at that point.

I'm sorry, but Yelchin diedrecently, two years ago, and his work in Beyond was very recent, so there'd still be a fundamental necessity to acknowledge his death. He worked in a rather succesful series, and just saying "oh yeah, he did something, but he's dead so who cares," would frankly be appalling. He was a very talented man, who deserves so much more than a footnote in the credits.

If that logic was true, would you say a man like Leonard Nimoy, one of Star Trek's best, didn't deserve the scene from Beyond recognizing his character's and his own death?

Yes, Lucas is a very talented man, but he's still alive. Yelchin can't say the same.

[Vassenor]

Or they could just recast him.

Pretty sure JJ gave an interview explicitly ruling that out.

[Vassenor]

No, I will not change it. Two years is ancient history. And by the time the next movie comes out it will probably be another year or two. And that's even more ancient history.

As far as I am concerned you only need to honor people who died during the making of the movie or really close to it. Like when George Lucas dies I'd expect the next Star Wars movie to throw him a line assuming it comes out within a year or so. But if it comes out 5 years later I don't and would frankly find it very odd if they did because it's digging up something from way back. It would just feel like a cheap attempt at gaining sympathy votes at that point.

I'm sorry, but Yelchin diedrecently, two years ago, and his work in Beyond was very recent, so there'd still be a fundamental necessity to acknowledge his death. He worked in a rather succesful series, and just saying "oh yeah, he did something, but he's dead so who cares," would frankly be appalling. He was a very talented man, who deserves so much more than a footnote in the credits.

If that logic was true, would you say a man like Leonard Nimoy, one of Star Trek's best, didn't deserve the scene from Beyond recognizing his character's and his own death?

Yes, Lucas is a very talented man, but he's still alive. Yelchin can't say the same.

I mean that's pretty much all Carrie Fisher got as well. It's kind of hard to do more when someone dies between the film wrapping production and its release.

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

I understand it can be hard to do that sort of thing, but still, there should be more effort put into remembering an actor who put a lot of effort into a film or franchise.

[Grenartia]

Not to be rude, but that argument is just downright rude to Yelchin. Yes, he died two years ago, but that does not mean that they can just "throw in" a dedication, as you so delicately put it.

He put in a lot of work into the Kelvin series, and they should have something more special than just "oh yeah, one of our cast died in a horrible accident."

Yeah, maybe I did choose the wrong words to describe it, but still, if they were to just gloss over his death, it would just be wrong.

Also, you might want to change that "ancient history" remark.

No, I will not change it. Two years is ancient history. And by the time the next movie comes out it will probably be another year or two. And that's even more ancient history.

As far as I am concerned you only need to honor people who died during the making of the movie or really close to it. Like when George Lucas dies I'd expect the next Star Wars movie to throw him a line assuming it comes out within a year or so. But if it comes out 5 years later I don't and would frankly find it very odd if they did because it's digging up something from way back. It would just feel like a cheap attempt at gaining sympathy votes at that point.

Why do they need to acknowledge it though? I mean sure, he died but it was years ago and by the time any new movie comes out will be years more. It's not disrespectful to not acknowledge ancient history. And they can always throw in a special dedication or something in the credits.

In case you missed it the first time, Anton played a major character. Its not like Chekov was some random redshirt that only got a line or two in one movie. He was a bridge officer, and in the last movie, he got as much screen time as anyone else. In short, in any future Kelvin movie, HIS ABSENCE WILL BE FELT. Not just in an OOC sense. In a very real IC sense, as well. That is something that needs to be addressed onscreen.

2. Ew. I've never been a big fan of that stuff.

He sure is, though. I'm scrolling through and that''s basically the bulk of his credits. His sci-fi stuff seems to consists solely of Damar and an episode of enterprise. Hell, he's been in them since Matlock.

Waste of talent right there.

Meh, I think Matlock reruns come on one of the over-the-air channels I get at my mom's, so maybe I'll see him one day when I'm super bored and have nothing to do. IMDB also says he was in Broken Arrow, so if I can ever find our DVD of it, I'll have to rewatch it and look out for it (though catching a rerun would be much more satisfying).

I also saw Dwight Schultz in the A-Team the day before yesterday, but I don't count him anymore than I count Scott Bakula in QL, because they're both playing main characters (and weren't on Trek as aliens), so its obvious and well-known (which kills the challenge).

The other actor I'm really hoping to see one of these days is J.G. Hertzler.

[Ameriganastan]

The other actor I'm really hoping to see one of these days is J.G. Hertzler.

Good luck. He mostly does voice work these days.

[Grenartia]

The other actor I'm really hoping to see one of these days is J.G. Hertzler.

Good luck. He mostly does voice work these days.

Well, to be fair, that voice is amazing.

[Earthbound Immortal Squad]

Good luck. He mostly does voice work these days.

Well, to be fair, that voice is amazing.

Can't argue with that I can recognise the voice from when he was in voyager and enterprise immediately.

[New haven america]

On the topic of voice work, I was watching Young Justice and heard Rene Auberjonois. Apparently he's a massive DC alumni.

Seriously, he's done work for: Super Friends, Galactic Guardians, Superman, Batman TAS, Justice League/Unlimited, and Young Justice.

[Ameriganastan]

On the topic of voice work, I was watching Young Justice and heard Rene Auberjonois. Apparently he's a massive DC alumni.

Seriously, he's done work for: Super Friends, Galactic Guardians, Superman, Batman TAS, Justice League/Unlimited, and Young Justice.

And after seeing/hearing him in all those roles...I still don't know how you pronounce his effing last name.

[New haven america]

Yeah, sure, but with the death of Anton Yelchin, who played Chekov in these new movies, how will they work around that large gap in the cast?

WARNING: I got so carried away with my rant that I put it in a spoiler for everyone's safety. Open at your own risk!

Chekov had such a large role in Beyond that simply saying that he left on another ship would be very poor and would not only be lacking in the plot but also be lacking as a way to acknowledge Yelchin's passing.

They also can't do what they did with Leonard Nimoy, and the whole "Spock is sad with Spock Prime dying," because Nimoy was such a prominent figure in acting and, especially, his role in both old and new Star Trek, he deserved a unique and symbolic way of acknowledging his death, and simply replicating (hehe) it with Yelchin's Chekov would be disrespectful to both Nimoy and Yelchin's memories.

I love a good alternate timeline and alternate history, but I feel that making a fourth movie where the series ends or is merged back with the regular Star Trek Canon, such as by doing the whole "Praxis" incident as the point where the two universes are "re-aligned". Wasn't there a theroy hinting that the story of the fourth movie would be that Kirk would go back in time and save his father, which would cancel out the Kelvin timeline? Either way, a simple "realignment" ending would feel poorly executed in one movie.

If they continue, however, with the Kelvin timeline, as well as running Discovery, it would basically be "well, which is the 'main' universe?" I realise Kelvin is a prequel to the original series, which is set ten years in the past, but that leaves me confused. If Discovery takes place before the Kelvin incident, then would it be all good, and possible? At the same time, doesn't the Kelvin incident take place just as Kirk is born? In Discovery, wasn't the Enterprise under Robert April's command? I'm sure they have a very public answer to this question that makes me look stupid, but still, I'm sure there's a one percent of Trekkers that thought the same thing.

My analogy to this problem is the "Cuban Missile Crisis Documentary", which is a very creative title. Basically, the premise goes that there was a series detailing the Cuban Missile Crisis, and there was one episode where the crisis goes through and the U.S. is struck by a missile, setting off an entire alternate history, and then the very next episode, it goes with the actual outcome of the C.M.C, and it doesn't explain or even acknowledge the previous episode's factual errors, while the company that owns the C.M.C series doesn't take down the first episode of the series. I'm sure that was hard to follow, but it's my analogy for the Kelvin timeline's problem. (no, this series doesn't exist, i just made it up)

Either way, I feel Star Trek has reached a sort of stalemate with itself. With the death of Yelchin, the Kelvins will be left with either a very cheaply executed end or an empty series. The start of Discovery would have worked just fine if they had waited to start after the Kelvin series ends, or until it reaches a threshold (haha reference to Voyager) where it can thrive even with the inception of a new regular-canon series. If they stop Discovery, it'll still be bad for all the Trekkers who watch that series, including me.

Don't get me wrong, I love Star Trek, and I admire how many years of work has gone into every individual series. I'm an avid Trekker, and I've watched all the series' (even Enterprise, as well as the Animated Series, which I personally love). I haven't been around long enough to have seen The Next Generation as it was being made, but I love the entire franchise with a passion. However, I feel that the franchise has gotten a bit crowded.

I'm sure I shouldn't have an opinion since I wasn't around to be at the first screening of The Wrath of Khan (incredible masterpiece of a film, btw), but with the two timelines running at once, I feel Star Trek should lay one of the two timelines to rest. I admire the amount of effort put into Kelvin, and I'm a fan of the movies myself, and I love the main canon as well, and I am fascinated with all the lore behind all of the series in the franchise, and that's the problem. I can't decide which one I like more. I like them both, even though I recognize it would be better if Trek was consistent and focused on one timeline instead of the two.

I don't know, I'm not enough of a Trek master to be able to have an opinion, so I'll go back to slaving away watching Enterprise the entire way through on repeat until I die as a punishment for having an opinion.

Someone's been overthinking this...

You are aware STD and the Kelvin movies both take place in the 2250's, right? The Kelvin incident already happened ~20 years before STD started.

Also, series can have multiple timelines without any issues. Both DC and Marvel do this, and several Japanese franchises (Like Gundam) do it all the time. This is a non-issue.

[New haven america]

On the topic of voice work, I was watching Young Justice and heard Rene Auberjonois. Apparently he's a massive DC alumni.

Seriously, he's done work for: Super Friends, Galactic Guardians, Superman, Batman TAS, Justice League/Unlimited, and Young Justice.

And after seeing/hearing him in all those roles...I still don't know how you pronounce his effing last name.

Ah-Bear-Zhun-Wa

[Grenartia]

On the topic of voice work, I was watching Young Justice and heard Rene Auberjonois. Apparently he's a massive DC alumni.

Seriously, he's done work for: Super Friends, Galactic Guardians, Superman, Batman TAS, Justice League/Unlimited, and Young Justice.

Wasn't he in, like, Batman Forever? Or was it Batman & Robin? Whichever one was the one with Jim Carrey, I believe.

He was also a main character on Benson.

[New haven america]

On the topic of voice work, I was watching Young Justice and heard Rene Auberjonois. Apparently he's a massive DC alumni.

Seriously, he's done work for: Super Friends, Galactic Guardians, Superman, Batman TAS, Justice League/Unlimited, and Young Justice.

Wasn't he in, like, Batman Forever? Or was it Batman & Robin? Whichever one was the one with Jim Carrey, I believe.

He was also a main character on Benson.

Batman Forever, the one with Val Kilmer.

[Imperial isa]

He was also a main character on Benson.

Wasn't born when the show came out but that the show i reminder him from and keep forgetting when watching DS9 that him playing Odo.

[Xmara]

I’m rewatching TOS. Haven’t watched Discovery because it’s on CBS all access.

[Ameriganastan]

I’m rewatching TOS. Haven’t watched Discovery because it’s on CBS all access.

Discovery is on every free streaming site there is.

[Grenartia]

I’m rewatching TOS. Haven’t watched Discovery because it’s on CBS all access.

Discovery is on every free streaming site there is.

In America?

[Ameriganastan]

Discovery is on every free streaming site there is.

In America?

Yeah.

[Grenartia]

In America?

Yeah.

This is news to me.

[Tarsonis]

Yeah.

This is news to me.

He means pirating