Scifi TV Discussion Thread

[Ism]

I need one of you guys to help me figure out something with Star Trek. Do the Borg adapt communally or more on a smaller basis? I'm not sure if there's any elaboration in the show or movies, but if the Borg adapt as a species, then First Contact has something that kind of undermines the idea of Borg invincibility, and that's that several Borg drones are killed in the movie in melee combat, whether by Data with his fits, or Worf with some Klingon knife (don't think it's a Bat'leth, could be wrong though). If they can't adapt to melee combat, it also stands to reason that they can't adapt to being shot with kinetic weapons like bows or guns. And, if that's the case, then the Federation is totally stupid for not issuing their crews with guns and bayonets.

Considering Picard killed a borg with a holo-machine gun, I’m gonna say that a real gun could work as well. The reason the Federation doesn’t arm their crews with these weapons is presumably that kinetic weapons are far worse than their standard armaments against their other, more common foes. Perhaps they should have a Borg Assault Protocol which allows kinetic weapons such as firearms to be created at a replicator to better combat drones.

I’m willing to bet that Borg ships have kinetic shielding however, unlike the drones, so ship based kinetics seem unlikely to be so effective. However, presumably kinetic weapons can’t be adapted to by the ships, so they could, potentially, still be useful in some capacity.

Edit: Just realized I didn’t really answer your question. To that I’d say, definitely collectively, starting at the cube level and then working it’s way through the collective until it reaches every drone.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I need one of you guys to help me figure out something with Star Trek. Do the Borg adapt communally or more on a smaller basis? I'm not sure if there's any elaboration in the show or movies, but if the Borg adapt as a species, then First Contact has something that kind of undermines the idea of Borg invincibility, and that's that several Borg drones are killed in the movie in melee combat, whether by Data with his fits, or Worf with some Klingon knife (don't think it's a Bat'leth, could be wrong though). If they can't adapt to melee combat, it also stands to reason that they can't adapt to being shot with kinetic weapons like bows or guns. And, if that's the case, then the Federation is totally stupid for not issuing their crews with guns and bayonets.

Considering Picard killed a borg with a holo-machine gun, I’m gonna say that a real gun could work as well. The reason the Federation doesn’t arm their crews with these weapons is presumably that kinetic weapons are far worse than their standard armaments against their other, more common foes. Perhaps they should have a Borg Assault Protocol which allows kinetic weapons such as firearms to be created at a replicator to better combat drones.

I’m willing to bet that Borg ships have kinetic shielding however, unlike the drones, so ship based kinetics seem unlikely to be so effective. However, presumably kinetic weapons can’t be adapted to by the ships, so they could, potentially, still be useful in some capacity.

That's kind of what I thought. Thanks.

[New haven america]

I need one of you guys to help me figure out something with Star Trek. Do the Borg adapt communally or more on a smaller basis? I'm not sure if there's any elaboration in the show or movies, but if the Borg adapt as a species, then First Contact has something that kind of undermines the idea of Borg invincibility, and that's that several Borg drones are killed in the movie in melee combat, whether by Data with his fits, or Worf with some Klingon knife (don't think it's a Bat'leth, could be wrong though). If they can't adapt to melee combat, it also stands to reason that they can't adapt to being shot with kinetic weapons like bows or guns. And, if that's the case, then the Federation is totally stupid for not issuing their crews with guns and bayonets.

Borg are stronger than humans, so a human hitting a borg with something would do minimal damage (That story is very different when it comes to Data, Klingons, Vulcans, etc.. who are much stronger than humans).

Also, getting into melee range with a borg would require getting into the range of a borg's assimilation tubes, and it only takes a few nanoprobes to assimilate someone.. Now, kinetic weapons like guns and bows could work, but most other species don't use those, do they?

[Brusia]

I need one of you guys to help me figure out something with Star Trek. Do the Borg adapt communally or more on a smaller basis? I'm not sure if there's any elaboration in the show or movies, but if the Borg adapt as a species, then First Contact has something that kind of undermines the idea of Borg invincibility, and that's that several Borg drones are killed in the movie in melee combat, whether by Data with his fits, or Worf with some Klingon knife (don't think it's a Bat'leth, could be wrong though). If they can't adapt to melee combat, it also stands to reason that they can't adapt to being shot with kinetic weapons like bows or guns. And, if that's the case, then the Federation is totally stupid for not issuing their crews with guns and bayonets.

Borg are stronger than humans, so a human hitting a borg with something would do minimal damage (That story is very different when it comes to Data, Klingons, Vulcans, etc.. who are much stronger than humans).

Also, getting into melee range with a borg would require getting into the range of a borg's assimilation tubes, and it only takes a few nanoprobes to assimilate someone.. Now, kinetic weapons like guns and bows could work, but most other species don't use those, do they?

Personally, I've always kind of figured firearms would work for a short time, but that the Borg would eventually find some way to adapt their drones to compensate if they became widely used. I think that also might help to explain why the TR-116 rifle was scrapped in favor of regenerative phasers, as the latter could at least be remodulated when the Borg adapt, while you'd just be SOL if they ever managed to adapt to the former.

[Tarsonis]

I need one of you guys to help me figure out something with Star Trek. Do the Borg adapt communally or more on a smaller basis? I'm not sure if there's any elaboration in the show or movies, but if the Borg adapt as a species, then First Contact has something that kind of undermines the idea of Borg invincibility, and that's that several Borg drones are killed in the movie in melee combat, whether by Data with his fits, or Worf with some Klingon knife (don't think it's a Bat'leth, could be wrong though). If they can't adapt to melee combat, it also stands to reason that they can't adapt to being shot with kinetic weapons like bows or guns. And, if that's the case, then the Federation is totally stupid for not issuing their crews with guns and bayonets.

Borg are stronger than humans, so a human hitting a borg with something would do minimal damage (That story is very different when it comes to Data, Klingons, Vulcans, etc.. who are much stronger than humans).

Also, getting into melee range with a borg would require getting into the range of a borg's assimilation tubes, and it only takes a few nanoprobes to assimilate someone.. Now, kinetic weapons like guns and bows could work, but most other species don't use those, do they?

Any species still on that level of technology would actually not have to worry about the borg. The borg only assimilate species they deem worthy, or having sufficient technological advancement as to be a threat. Which is why the Kurzon never were assimilated, they weren't worthy.

20th century earth would be passed over by the borg in favor of more advanced species.

[Ameriganastan]

Any species still on that level of technology would actually not have to worry about the borg.

Not true. Those primitive guys from "Muse" were mentioned to be assimilated in the "Unimatrix Zero" two-parter.

[Tarsonis]

Any species still on that level of technology would actually not have to worry about the borg.

Not true. Those primitive guys from "Muse" were mentioned to be assimilated in the "Unimatrix Zero" two-parter.

Debatable actually. Kellis’s species were prewarp, where the child in Unimatrix claims to have been assimilated off a ship indicating a warp capable society. It’s probably a recycled design, or poor continuity writing.

As for the Borg, it’s probable they’ll assimilate random individuals unfortunate to cross the Borg for drone fodder, but in terms of targeted species assimilation, they’ll ignore any species that thy don’t consider useful or a threat. That’s canon.

[Brusia]

So, I recently came across this article on Discovery (though it seems it's a little dated, as it was apparently written before the season finale), and I thought the author's assessment that Discovery is essentially just gunning to turn Star Trek into Star Wars made alot of sense (and might help explain why, from what I've seen anyway, the series seems to be quite popular among casual sci-fi viewers, while being generally loathed among the more long-term Star Trek fans).

Apart from the author's incorrect guess that time travel would be involved to turn the tide of the Klingon War, rather than whole planting an explosive that could blow up Qo'nos thing:

Do you guys think the author's assessment of Discovery is correct?

[Equality of Nations]

So, I recently came across this article on Discovery (though it seems it's a little dated, as it was apparently written before the season finale), and I thought the author's assessment that Discovery is essentially just gunning to turn Star Trek into Star Wars made alot of sense (and might help explain why, from what I've seen anyway, the series seems to be quite popular among casual sci-fi viewers, while being generally loathed among the more long-term Star Trek fans).

Apart from the author's incorrect guess that time travel would be involved to turn the tide of the Klingon War, rather than whole planting an explosive that could blow up Qo'nos thing:

Do you guys think the author's assessment of Discovery is correct?

Discovery isn't an attempt to turn Star Trek in to Star Wars. They knew how to shoot combat episodes, and they are now left in a war on the losing side (season 1 finale). If they can find the balance between exploration, combat and story, series will be just fine. First few episodes felt like they were cut short but, they've put out some decent episodes with enough episodic content. Those felt like full episodes.

[Starblaydia]

So, I recently came across this article on Discovery (though it seems it's a little dated, as it was apparently written before the season finale), and I thought the author's assessment that Discovery is essentially just gunning to turn Star Trek into Star Wars made alot of sense (and might help explain why, from what I've seen anyway, the series seems to be quite popular among casual sci-fi viewers, while being generally loathed among the more long-term Star Trek fans).

Apart from the author's incorrect guess that time travel would be involved to turn the tide of the Klingon War, rather than whole planting an explosive that could blow up Qo'nos thing:

Do you guys think the author's assessment of Discovery is correct?

Discovery isn't an attempt to turn Star Trek in to Star Wars. They knew how to shoot combat episodes, and they are now left in a war on the losing side (season 1 finale). If they can find the balance between exploration, combat and story, series will be just fine. First few episodes felt like they were cut short but, they've put out some decent episodes with enough episodic content. Those felt like full episodes.

Agreed, I felt like that article was a stretch and a massive oversimplification at the same time.

I avoided Discovery after the first few episodes had aired and got a fairly negative reaction (and only positive reactions from people who's opinions I don't count for anything), but I decided to watch the first couple of episodes and ended up blitzing the whole first season last weekend and really enjoyed it.

There are some slightly more martial themes in this one than other ST series, mostly thanks to Captain Lorca and also the results of the jump-gone-weird (which I adored), but it's nothing compared to, say, the all-out Dominion War of DS9 where everything was dark, edgy and exploding all the time just to ape Babylon 5 and get ratings.

[Auristania]

So, I recently came across this article on Discovery (though it seems it's a little dated, as it was apparently written before the season finale), and I thought the author's assessment that Discovery is essentially just gunning to turn Star Trek into Star Wars made alot of sense (and might help explain why, from what I've seen anyway, the series seems to be quite popular among casual sci-fi viewers, while being generally loathed among the more long-term Star Trek fans).

Apart from the author's incorrect guess that time travel would be involved to turn the tide of the Klingon War, rather than whole planting an explosive that could blow up Qo'nos thing:

Do you guys think the author's assessment of Discovery is correct?

1) most distressingly to some old-school Trekkies, it was to be all about the war between the Federation and the Klingons.
2) Star Trek, previously a show about diplomacy, peace, and optimism, was going to boldly tackle war, aggression, and combat. It was to be a show, it seemed, about the breakdown and failure of diplomacy.
3) It was a show fixated on war.

The distressing thing is that they treat the Klingon- Fed war as a BIG DEAL.

DIS is set in the pre-Kirk era, old school Trwkkies already know that Fed won this war.

POV of characters in the Story, this is a BIG Deal, Fed is in danger of dying; but POV of Audience, meh, Fed won this war already.



Classic Trek: Klingons were just as good at Tech and Tactics as Fed, but Jim had a teeny- weeny edge over them. TNG made Klingons into Proud warrior Race TM, but they still had Tech.

DIS Klingons are so savage that when the Captain engages Warp Drive, we expect all the Klingons to put their feet outside the ship and run like a Flintstones car.

[Imperial isa]

DIS Klingons are so savage that when the Captain engages Warp Drive, we expect all the Klingons to put their feet outside the ship and run like a Flintstones car.

i can see that.

[Tarsonis]

Not to be a pig but anybody else notice an excessive amount of camel toe syndrome in the early seasons of TNG?

[Tarsonis]

I honestly can’t decide which theme I like better: TNG, DS9 or Voyager..

[Ameriganastan]

Not to be a pig but anybody else notice an excessive amount of camel toe syndrome in the early seasons of TNG?

It's kinda hard not to notice.

[Charellia]

I honestly can’t decide which theme I like better: TNG, DS9 or Voyager..

I've always liked the Voyager theme.

The instrumental theme at the end of Enterprise is pretty good too, though it's too bad they didn't play it in the opening credits as well.

[Grenartia]

I honestly can’t decide which theme I like better: TNG, DS9 or Voyager..

I find it depends on what mood I'm in.

[Starblaydia]

I honestly can’t decide which theme I like better: TNG, DS9 or Voyager..

TNG's theme (same as the first ST Movie) is a classic, and what I consider to be 'my' Star Trek, but ultimately I think Voyager's theme is probably better overall.

For me, though, nothing compares to the Star Trek: Beyond movie theme. Utter perfection.

[Auristania]

I hated ENT music first and later hated the show.
I hated The Motion Picture, TNG music was so similar that I loathed it until I started liking TNG.

DS9 is my favourite show and my favourite music.

The interesting thing would be posters who like the music AS music irrespective of their feelings aboot each show.

[Starblaydia]

The interesting thing would be posters who like the music AS music irrespective of their feelings aboot each show.

Voyager was terrible, a few moments aside, but its theme was great *shrug*

[The Huskar Social Union]

Voyager's intro is great, i kind of like all of them though. Not sure what id pick as my favourite, probably TNG

[New haven america]

Happy First Contact Day!

[Tarsonis]

Happy First Contact Day!

In celebration we should all collaborate on a pilot script for a new series set after voyager.

[NewLakotah]

I hated ENT music first and later hated the show.
I hated The Motion Picture, TNG music was so similar that I loathed it until I started liking TNG.

DS9 is my favourite show and my favourite music.

The interesting thing would be posters who like the music AS music irrespective of their feelings aboot each show.

I actually liked The Motion Picture, but I'm a TOS fan and I've heard its a TOS thing to like The Motion Picture. I agree that ENT music wasn't the best, which ruined an otherwise decent intro. ENT itself i didn't actually hate though, like some do. Wasn't my favorite, but enjoyed some of the stories to it, even if I did very much dislike how they portrayed Vulcans towards the end, it was like they couldn't make up their minds on how they wanted them to be.

But, personally, I don't think you can beat the TOS themes.

[New haven america]

Happy First Contact Day!

In celebration we should all collaborate on a pilot script for a new series set after voyager.

I reiterate my previous idea: A deep space/frontier mission in the 2400's.