Scifi TV Discussion Thread

[Athrax]

Really most of the contempt I have for Discovery is CBS trying to make me pay for their streaming service.

This is why we pirate things.

I'm really torn between "I want to support and fund Star Trek to see more and more forever" and "Rot in hell, CBS, I'm not giving you a monthly fee just like I don't pay HBO for GoT!"

[Tarsonis Survivors]

This is why we pirate things.

I'm really torn between "I want to support and fund Star Trek to see more and more forever" and "Rot in hell, CBS, I'm not giving you a monthly fee just like I don't pay HBO for GoT!"

To be fair, HBO has more benefits than cbs stream. So yes I pay for HBO primarily for GoT, but I also get movies and stuff out of it too.

[Chinese Regions]

CBS just released an official trailer for STD. The trailer is well put together, though i hace issues with the tech and uniforms.

https://youtu.be/4dxe_ugmIVM

They took it down already ?.

UK and Ireland version

[Tarsonis Survivors]

What the hell does that mean "biologically purposed to sense the coming of death". Is this anon shit Sherlock character that constantly points out the glaringly obvious peril the crew is in?

[Maichuko]

I'm pretty sure they set discovery before TOS, just so they wouldn't have to say whether its the prime or new timeline.

[Auristania]

What the hell does that mean "biologically purposed to sense the coming of death". Is this anon shit Sherlock character that constantly points out the glaringly obvious peril the crew is in?

Sounds like Gene's vision of Evolution:

Quest Precursors seeded planets with bacteria and blobs which eventually evolved into People, Klingons, Cardassi etc. Aliens played by Human actors is NOT a budget constraint, it is how the Holy Precursors built the Universe.

Threshold Humans are destined to "evolve" into salamanders as soon as they discover Warp 10, but don't worry. They get better.

Dear Doctor Evolution's plan is that the proto-Breen go extinct so that Neanderthals will evolve into Malons.

[Bralia]

Oh cool, so there is an active Star Trek thread. I had no idea, I've never paid attention nor looked out for it until now when I feel a need for it. Star Trek has been a thing of the distant past for me and only now, with the acquisition of the full series of both TNG and VOY do I feel a need for this thread.

I need to vent about the experience I just went through, the WORST episode in the history of all Star Trek that I have ever watched: The Outrageous Okona. I fucking hate this episode with a passion. It is the most predictable piece of drivel with the worst possible characters conceived doing the most stereotypical bullshit that I have ever seen. A dashing rogue sweeps the sluts of the Enterprise off their feet, the Enterprise shockingly learns that the rogue has committed crimes, but oh wait, not really, everything ends super happy for all parties except for me as a viewer of this show, holy fuck I want to shoot myself. And the side-story of Data trying to learn how to be funny is just literally unbelievable considering his unique style of humor that he's brought to the show since the beginning of the series, to the characters as well as the audience. I had to endure the worst side of comedy simply because the writers of TNG wanted to teach Data a lesson about humor. All of this is like the writers of this episode were intentionally trying to make something so horribly bad that people would see it as a good kind of bad. It has obviously not worked on me.

Rant over, this comes after having a pleasant experience watching the first season of TNG, which I hear people don't have many positive things to say about it overall.

[Wallenburg]

Oh cool, so there is an active Star Trek thread. I had no idea, I've never paid attention nor looked out for it until now when I feel a need for it. Star Trek has been a thing of the distant past for me and only now, with the acquisition of the full series of both TNG and VOY do I feel a need for this thread.

I need to vent about the experience I just went through, the WORST episode in the history of all Star Trek that I have ever watched: The Outrageous Okona. I fucking hate this episode with a passion. It is the most predictable piece of drivel with the worst possible characters conceived doing the most stereotypical bullshit that I have ever seen. A dashing rogue sweeps the sluts of the Enterprise off their feet, the Enterprise shockingly learns that the rogue has committed crimes, but oh wait, not really, everything ends super happy for all parties except for me as a viewer of this show, holy fuck I want to shoot myself. And the side-story of Data trying to learn how to be funny is just literally unbelievable considering his unique style of humor that he's brought to the show since the beginning of the series, to the characters as well as the audience. I had to endure the worst side of comedy simply because the writers of TNG wanted to teach Data a lesson about humor. All of this is like the writers of this episode were intentionally trying to make something so horribly bad that people would see it as a good kind of bad. It has obviously not worked on me.

Rant over, this comes after having a pleasant experience watching the first season of TNG, which I hear people don't have many positive things to say about it overall.

That certainly wasn't a great episode, but there are worse in TNG alone. "Sub Rosa" and "Night Terrors" aren't even worth enduring.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I'm pretty sure they set discovery before TOS, just so they wouldn't have to say whether its the prime or new timeline.

More like so they can pull from it in later movies and shows

[New haven america]

Oh cool, so there is an active Star Trek thread. I had no idea, I've never paid attention nor looked out for it until now when I feel a need for it. Star Trek has been a thing of the distant past for me and only now, with the acquisition of the full series of both TNG and VOY do I feel a need for this thread.

I need to vent about the experience I just went through, the WORST episode in the history of all Star Trek that I have ever watched: The Outrageous Okona. I fucking hate this episode with a passion. It is the most predictable piece of drivel with the worst possible characters conceived doing the most stereotypical bullshit that I have ever seen. A dashing rogue sweeps the sluts of the Enterprise off their feet, the Enterprise shockingly learns that the rogue has committed crimes, but oh wait, not really, everything ends super happy for all parties except for me as a viewer of this show, holy fuck I want to shoot myself. And the side-story of Data trying to learn how to be funny is just literally unbelievable considering his unique style of humor that he's brought to the show since the beginning of the series, to the characters as well as the audience. I had to endure the worst side of comedy simply because the writers of TNG wanted to teach Data a lesson about humor. All of this is like the writers of this episode were intentionally trying to make something so horribly bad that people would see it as a good kind of bad. It has obviously not worked on me.

Rant over, this comes after having a pleasant experience watching the first season of TNG, which I hear people don't have many positive things to say about it overall.

You didn't hate Code of Honor?

[Ameriganastan]

Trust me, Chief. Okana is just the tip of the bad TNG iceberg. There's some true flops in that show. Wait til you get to the "Crusher bangs a ghost" one...

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Trust me, Chief. Okana is just the tip of the bad TNG iceberg. There's some true flops in that show. Wait til you get to the "Crusher bangs a ghost" one...

Heh we've all been there

[Bralia]

Oh cool, so there is an active Star Trek thread. I had no idea, I've never paid attention nor looked out for it until now when I feel a need for it. Star Trek has been a thing of the distant past for me and only now, with the acquisition of the full series of both TNG and VOY do I feel a need for this thread.

I need to vent about the experience I just went through, the WORST episode in the history of all Star Trek that I have ever watched: The Outrageous Okona. I fucking hate this episode with a passion. It is the most predictable piece of drivel with the worst possible characters conceived doing the most stereotypical bullshit that I have ever seen. A dashing rogue sweeps the sluts of the Enterprise off their feet, the Enterprise shockingly learns that the rogue has committed crimes, but oh wait, not really, everything ends super happy for all parties except for me as a viewer of this show, holy fuck I want to shoot myself. And the side-story of Data trying to learn how to be funny is just literally unbelievable considering his unique style of humor that he's brought to the show since the beginning of the series, to the characters as well as the audience. I had to endure the worst side of comedy simply because the writers of TNG wanted to teach Data a lesson about humor. All of this is like the writers of this episode were intentionally trying to make something so horribly bad that people would see it as a good kind of bad. It has obviously not worked on me.

Rant over, this comes after having a pleasant experience watching the first season of TNG, which I hear people don't have many positive things to say about it overall.

You didn't hate Code of Honor?

. . . I didn't check the reception of that episode. Damn. The reaction I have now is . . . I feel like I'm treading into dangerous waters here, but I don't get it? Sure, they share traits with "tribal" Africans. What of it? Who's to say a culture like that can't achieve a place in galactic society? Yeah, it's racist if I see it as a reflection of an Earth society, but the point that I lean on is that this isn't Earth.

[New haven america]

You didn't hate Code of Honor?

. . . I didn't check the reception of that episode. Damn. The reaction I have now is . . . I feel like I'm treading into dangerous waters here, but I don't get it? Sure, they share traits with "tribal" Africans. What of it? Who's to say a culture like that can't achieve a place in galactic society? Yeah, it's racist if I see it as a reflection of an Earth society, but the point that I lean on is that this isn't Earth.

It's the fact that, while yes, they're based on tribal Africans, they come off as pompous, unwilling to accept other cultures or their traditions, etc... it really paints a bad image. (Especially since other races act the same way, but they made the culture so African that it came off as really bad)

Also, the episode wasn't just racist, but also sexist, and had really weird moments from the male characters (Especially Picard and Data).

[Ameriganastan]

Also, the episode wasn't just racist, but also sexist, and had really weird moments from the male characters (Especially Picard and Data).

That's what happens when a senile hippie runs the shows for like, 3 seasons.

[Vultolia]

Oh cool, so there is an active Star Trek thread. I had no idea, I've never paid attention nor looked out for it until now when I feel a need for it. Star Trek has been a thing of the distant past for me and only now, with the acquisition of the full series of both TNG and VOY do I feel a need for this thread.

I need to vent about the experience I just went through, the WORST episode in the history of all Star Trek that I have ever watched: The Outrageous Okona. I fucking hate this episode with a passion. It is the most predictable piece of drivel with the worst possible characters conceived doing the most stereotypical bullshit that I have ever seen. A dashing rogue sweeps the sluts of the Enterprise off their feet, the Enterprise shockingly learns that the rogue has committed crimes, but oh wait, not really, everything ends super happy for all parties except for me as a viewer of this show, holy fuck I want to shoot myself. And the side-story of Data trying to learn how to be funny is just literally unbelievable considering his unique style of humor that he's brought to the show since the beginning of the series, to the characters as well as the audience. I had to endure the worst side of comedy simply because the writers of TNG wanted to teach Data a lesson about humor. All of this is like the writers of this episode were intentionally trying to make something so horribly bad that people would see it as a good kind of bad. It has obviously not worked on me.

Rant over, this comes after having a pleasant experience watching the first season of TNG, which I hear people don't have many positive things to say about it overall.

Aww, no mention of Threshold?

[Bralia]

Oh cool, so there is an active Star Trek thread. I had no idea, I've never paid attention nor looked out for it until now when I feel a need for it. Star Trek has been a thing of the distant past for me and only now, with the acquisition of the full series of both TNG and VOY do I feel a need for this thread.

I need to vent about the experience I just went through, the WORST episode in the history of all Star Trek that I have ever watched: The Outrageous Okona. I fucking hate this episode with a passion. It is the most predictable piece of drivel with the worst possible characters conceived doing the most stereotypical bullshit that I have ever seen. A dashing rogue sweeps the sluts of the Enterprise off their feet, the Enterprise shockingly learns that the rogue has committed crimes, but oh wait, not really, everything ends super happy for all parties except for me as a viewer of this show, holy fuck I want to shoot myself. And the side-story of Data trying to learn how to be funny is just literally unbelievable considering his unique style of humor that he's brought to the show since the beginning of the series, to the characters as well as the audience. I had to endure the worst side of comedy simply because the writers of TNG wanted to teach Data a lesson about humor. All of this is like the writers of this episode were intentionally trying to make something so horribly bad that people would see it as a good kind of bad. It has obviously not worked on me.

Rant over, this comes after having a pleasant experience watching the first season of TNG, which I hear people don't have many positive things to say about it overall.

Aww, no mention of Threshold?

You cannot even grasp the levels of biological ascension that Paris and Janeway went through. They are gods made flesh. Everyone should have bowed down to their greatness in that episode. Voyager as a series could have continued from that point and focused on the glory of the Great Salamanders. They could have carved out a galactic empire greater than that of the Borg. From that mantle, they could have disseminated their infinite knowledge to all lesser creatures. But instead, the writers of the show chose to take the safe route. The mundane route. An incredible shame and almost an insult to the GREATEST episode in the Star Trek franchise.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Watched that trailer for Discovery, honestly better than i thought it would look so i have some interest in it now.

[Wallenburg]

Aww, no mention of Threshold?

First, we were discussing solely TNG's bad episodes, under the possibility that Bralia hasn't seen ST: Voyager yet. Second, "Threshold" is a forbidden word. You should be ashamed for uttering it among us.

As it is, Bralia apparently has suffered through that episode, so it's all good.

[Bralia]

Aww, no mention of Threshold?

First, we were discussing solely TNG's bad episodes, under the possibility that Bralia hasn't seen ST: Voyager yet. Second, "Threshold" is a forbidden word. You should be ashamed for uttering it among us.

As it is, Bralia apparently has suffered through that episode, so it's all good.

My history:

I've watch the entirety of Voyager, save for a few episodes. Surely in the single digits. One of the episodes I know I've missed is the Q civil war. As a kid, I remember distinctly being dragged off conveniently whenever that episode was available. VOY is definitely my favorite series of the bunch, since I grew up with it. IIRC, my favorite episode in the entire series was Shattered.

My experience with TNG was haphazard. I've seen a significant amount of TNG, but woefully out of order and much more lost since I was only just getting into Star Trek overall when TNG was ending and VOY was beginning. I was only just gaining sentience as a lifeform at that age. . Glad to finally own the series and watch it properly. I dunno which episode I'd consider a favorite, but glancing through the episode list looking for names that jump out, Cause and Effect stands out. All of a sudden I see a trend in what I like in an episode. And I only now notice a certain Senator Kinsey playing a Captain Jellico in a couple episodes. Damn. That shows how truly long I've been away from Star Trek.

I saw like, half of Enterprise NX-01 before dropping it. It was just so lackluster to me. A lack of compelling characters, too. I remember hating Phlox with a passion.

And even back in the '90s, as a kid, I stayed away from TOS entirely because even then it felt too archaic. I'm a sucker for some basic special effects, at the very least.

[Tiltjuice]

Shattered was awesome.

[New haven america]

First, we were discussing solely TNG's bad episodes, under the possibility that Bralia hasn't seen ST: Voyager yet. Second, "Threshold" is a forbidden word. You should be ashamed for uttering it among us.

As it is, Bralia apparently has suffered through that episode, so it's all good.

My history:

I've watch the entirety of Voyager, save for a few episodes. Surely in the single digits. One of the episodes I know I've missed is the Q civil war. As a kid, I remember distinctly being dragged off conveniently whenever that episode was available. VOY is definitely my favorite series of the bunch, since I grew up with it. IIRC, my favorite episode in the entire series was Shattered.

My experience with TNG was haphazard. I've seen a significant amount of TNG, but woefully out of order and much more lost since I was only just getting into Star Trek overall when TNG was ending and VOY was beginning. I was only just gaining sentience as a lifeform at that age. . Glad to finally own the series and watch it properly. I dunno which episode I'd consider a favorite, but glancing through the episode list looking for names that jump out, Cause and Effect stands out. All of a sudden I see a trend in what I like in an episode. And I only now notice a certain Senator Kinsey playing a Captain Jellico in a couple episodes. Damn. That shows how truly long I've been away from Star Trek.

I saw like, half of Enterprise NX-01 before dropping it. It was just so lackluster to me. A lack of compelling characters, too. I remember hating Phlox with a passion.

And even back in the '90s, as a kid, I stayed away from TOS entirely because even then it felt too archaic. I'm a sucker for some basic special effects, at the very least.

How did you miss out on DS9?

Also, Ent. has 2 halves, the bad half (Also known as the first 2 seasons), and the good half (seasons 3 and 4). If you want to really enjoy Ent., watch the pilot and maybe one or two important episodes, than skip to S3. Skip the final episode too.

[Bralia]

My history:

I've watch the entirety of Voyager, save for a few episodes. Surely in the single digits. One of the episodes I know I've missed is the Q civil war. As a kid, I remember distinctly being dragged off conveniently whenever that episode was available. VOY is definitely my favorite series of the bunch, since I grew up with it. IIRC, my favorite episode in the entire series was Shattered.

My experience with TNG was haphazard. I've seen a significant amount of TNG, but woefully out of order and much more lost since I was only just getting into Star Trek overall when TNG was ending and VOY was beginning. I was only just gaining sentience as a lifeform at that age. . Glad to finally own the series and watch it properly. I dunno which episode I'd consider a favorite, but glancing through the episode list looking for names that jump out, Cause and Effect stands out. All of a sudden I see a trend in what I like in an episode. And I only now notice a certain Senator Kinsey playing a Captain Jellico in a couple episodes. Damn. That shows how truly long I've been away from Star Trek.

I saw like, half of Enterprise NX-01 before dropping it. It was just so lackluster to me. A lack of compelling characters, too. I remember hating Phlox with a passion.

And even back in the '90s, as a kid, I stayed away from TOS entirely because even then it felt too archaic. I'm a sucker for some basic special effects, at the very least.

How did you miss out on DS9?

Also, Ent. has 2 halves, the bad half (Also known as the first 2 seasons), and the good half (seasons 3 and 4). If you want to really enjoy Ent., watch the pilot and maybe one or two important episodes, than skip to S3. Skip the final episode too.

Oh oops, how did I forget DS9? Well, I suppose that in itself says something because I watched a few episodes and dropped it because the premise of being a stationary starbase seemed so incredibly dull to me. I've heard that it picks up when Worf and the Defiant get involved, but I've never put that to the test for myself.

And that explains things I've heard about NX-01 over the years. Will consider that.

[Wallenburg]

Oh oops, how did I forget DS9? Well, I suppose that in itself says something because I watched a few episodes and dropped it because the premise of being a stationary starbase seemed so incredibly dull to me. I've heard that it picks up when Worf and the Defiant get involved, but I've never put that to the test for myself.

And that explains things I've heard about NX-01 over the years. Will consider that.

The station may remain in only one orbit, but the storytelling is incredible. Because the premise of DS9 does not lend itself to the familiar Alien of the Week formula, you end up with deeply developed, very important races. You see the Ferengi transform from TNG cartoons into a fascinating culture. You begin to understand the intricacies of Bajoran and Cardassian life. Similarly, the set of main characters grow a lot, even in rather minor episodes. I'm currently in season 3 of DS9, and it is certainly my favorite series of the ones I have seen.

[New haven america]

How did you miss out on DS9?

Also, Ent. has 2 halves, the bad half (Also known as the first 2 seasons), and the good half (seasons 3 and 4). If you want to really enjoy Ent., watch the pilot and maybe one or two important episodes, than skip to S3. Skip the final episode too.

Oh oops, how did I forget DS9? Well, I suppose that in itself says something because I watched a few episodes and dropped it because the premise of being a stationary starbase seemed so incredibly dull to me. I've heard that it picks up when Worf and the Defiant get involved, but I've never put that to the test for myself.

And that explains things I've heard about NX-01 over the years. Will consider that.

DS9 is about as good as TNG (Well, it depends on who you ask, but if you ask who someone's favorite ST series is, you'll probably get either TNG or DS9). Due to the fact that it's very difficult to do the Alien of the Week formula that TNG perfected, it instead has to rely on characters, political development, and world building.

For example, on the character building front, ST's best villain (Yes, even better than Khan) happens to be in DS9.