Scifi TV Discussion Thread

[New haven america]

Number 4 most racist episode = Up the long Ladder TNG meets the Space Oirish. The Space Oirish were a bit bog-trotting stereotypes, but they did win a couple of points versus poker-up-the-ass Starfleet regulations.

I'm Irish as Guinness (Hell, my little brother was born on St. Patrick's Day), and that episode slays me. Especially the Klingon booze.

As someone who is also Irish, I fucking love that scene.

The resolution at the end of the episode are rather head scratching, but as he said, every moment of joy must equal a moment of pain.

[Drayxaso]

I suppose I hadn't realised that at the time, but looking back on it, it was really racist. They went so far as to cast the entire alien species as African-Americans.

Code of Honour = number 1 most racist episode.

Number 4 most racist episode = Up the long Ladder TNG meets the Space Oirish. The Space Oirish were a bit bog-trotting stereotypes, but they did win a couple of points versus poker-up-the-ass Starfleet regulations.

Number 3 most racist = Fairhaven the Space Oirish were super-dooper bog-trotting stereotypes, but they were explicitly fictional.

Number 2 most racist = Dear Doctor ENT genocides the pre-Breen for the sake of the Prime Directive which hadn't even been invented yet.

What about that episode in TNG where they just watch a sapient species die from their atmosphere deteriorating, and then get mad at Worf's stepbrother(?) when he saves them? Apparently, it's worse to contaminate a culture than to save them from literally all dying.

[Auristania]

Code of Honour = number 1 most racist episode.

Number 4 most racist episode = Up the long Ladder TNG meets the Space Oirish. The Space Oirish were a bit bog-trotting stereotypes, but they did win a couple of points versus poker-up-the-ass Starfleet regulations.

Number 3 most racist = Fairhaven the Space Oirish were super-dooper bog-trotting stereotypes, but they were explicitly fictional.

Number 2 most racist = Dear Doctor ENT genocides the pre-Breen for the sake of the Prime Directive which hadn't even been invented yet.

I'm surprised Voyager's "Tattoo" didn't rate inclusion. Especially given that your number two example, while advocating letting a species die for the benefit of another (in other words, what amounts to eugenics), at least never targeted said bullshit at any real group of people.

Whereas Tattoo was racist toward Native Americans.

OMG I forgot Tattoo Native Americans didn't even have language until the Space Aliens saved them ... until theWhite space Aliens saved them.

And I forgot Penpals Ryker wants to genocide Data's friend because Prime Directive and the Cosmic Plan.

And I forgot Worf's brother wants to rescue the tribe.

Chinese Regions please set up a poll for most racist episodes
5 votes each.

To get the order right, we should have 10 votes each so we can put 3 votes on one episode and 2 votes on another, but I don't think that poll option is available.

[Ameriganastan]

And I forgot Worf's brother wants to rescue the tribe.

...Wait, what was racist about "Homeward"?

[Drayxaso]

And I forgot Worf's brother wants to rescue the tribe.

...Wait, what was racist about "Homeward"?

It's racist from an in-universe view.

[Auristania]

There are 5 kinds of racist episodes:

Starfleet comes to the Planet of racial Stereotypes of a real world race and the episode depicts that race negatively Code of Honour, Tattoo, Fairhaven;

it's still racist if the episode depicts a real world race as super-doper good and perfect, especially if that perfect race are Whites or Elves Insurrection;

Starfleet genocides a fictional alien race for the sake of Prime Directive because Genocide is as racist as it gets Dear Doctor

Starfleet wants to genocide people but doesn't Penpals, Homeward

[Drayxaso]

There are 5 kinds of racist episodes:

Starfleet comes to the Planet of racial Stereotypes of a real world race and the episode depicts that race negatively Code of Honour, Tattoo, Fairhaven;

it's still racist if the episode depicts a real world race as super-doper good and perfect, especially if that perfect race are Whites or Elves Insurrection;

Starfleet genocides a fictional alien race for the sake of Prime Directive because Genocide is as racist as it gets Dear Doctor

Starfleet wants to genocide people but doesn't Penpals, Homeward

In the latter cases, it's less genocide and more leaving them all to die.

[New haven america]

And I forgot Worf's brother wants to rescue the tribe.

...Wait, what was racist about "Homeward"?

Nothing.

It's an interesting Prime Directive episode, but racist it is not.

[Auristania]

There are 5 kinds of racist episodes:

Starfleet comes to the Planet of racial Stereotypes of a real world race and the episode depicts that race negatively Code of Honour, Tattoo, Fairhaven;

it's still racist if the episode depicts a real world race as super-doper good and perfect, especially if that perfect race are Whites or Elves Insurrection;

Starfleet genocides a fictional alien race for the sake of Prime Directive because Genocide is as racist as it gets Dear Doctor

Starfleet wants to genocide people but doesn't Penpals, Homeward

In the latter cases, it's less genocide and more leaving them all to die.

Your Lordship draws a distinction?

We're not doing genocide, we are just sitting here watching genocide happen because the Cosmic Plan makes us morally superior elves.

[Maichuko]

Does Birthright count as Racist? there Worf encounters a colony of Klingon's held by the Romulans and convinces them that all Klingons are supposed to be violent bloodthirsty warriors instead of Pacifist farmers?

Some say oh the Romulan's were wrong they should have let those Klingon's kill themselves. I'm among those who disagree with that assessment.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Does Birthright count as Racist? there Worf encounters a colony of Klingon's held by the Romulans and convinces them that all Klingons are supposed to be violent bloodthirsty warriors instead of Pacifist farmers?

Some say oh the Romulan's were wrong they should have let those Klingon's kill themselves. I'm among those who disagree with that assessment.

I don't there's anything wrong with a tribalistic nationalism when it comes to species.

[The Romulan Republic]

Does Birthright count as Racist? there Worf encounters a colony of Klingon's held by the Romulans and convinces them that all Klingons are supposed to be violent bloodthirsty warriors instead of Pacifist farmers?

Some say oh the Romulan's were wrong they should have let those Klingon's kill themselves. I'm among those who disagree with that assessment.

I don't there's anything wrong with a tribalistic nationalism when it comes to species.

I am of the view that anything which causes needless suffering or death to a sapient being is morally wrong.

[Auristania]

I don't there's anything wrong with a tribalistic nationalism when it comes to species.

I am of the view that anything which causes needless suffering or death to a sapient being is morally wrong.

That's logical Captain. But otoh, from Klingon POV, being a POW is a fate worse than death, therefore it is extra suffering. But otoh the Klingons in that episode don't feel that way. It just Worf telling them how they ought to feel.

[New haven america]

I am of the view that anything which causes needless suffering or death to a sapient being is morally wrong.

That's logical Captain. But otoh, from Klingon POV, being a POW is a fate worse than death, therefore it is extra suffering. But otoh the Klingons in that episode don't feel that way. It just Worf telling them how they ought to feel.

Did you actually watch the ep.?

They did feel shame and dishonor about being POW's, but they couldn't really do anything to escape or kill themselves, so they chose to live in dishonor.

[The Great Devourer of All]

Is it just me, or is 'Kir'Shara' just forty-five minutes of political commentary on the War on Terror?

[New haven america]

So finally saw Galaxy Quest.

Definitely one of the better TOS movies.

[Ameriganastan]

So finally saw Galaxy Quest.

Definitely one of the better TOS movies.

I haven't seen that movie since 2002. I really should rewatch it some time.

[The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster]

So finally saw Galaxy Quest.

Definitely one of the better TOS movies.

...all joking aside, yeah, it was great.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

So finally saw Galaxy Quest.

Definitely one of the better TOS movies.

I haven't seen that movie since 2002. I really should rewatch it some time.

It's one of those spoofs that even die hard fans of the source material have to love.

[New haven america]

So finally saw Galaxy Quest.

Definitely one of the better TOS movies.

I haven't seen that movie since 2002. I really should rewatch it some time.

You probably should. *Nod*

[New haven america]

So finally saw Galaxy Quest.

Definitely one of the better TOS movies.

...all joking aside, yeah, it was great.

I'm not joking.

It was made official at a 2013 ST convention.

[Drayxaso]

...all joking aside, yeah, it was great.

I'm not joking.

It was made official at a 2013 ST convention.

Paramount owns it, but it's not official Star Trek.

[Drayxaso]

...all joking aside, yeah, it was great.

I'm not joking.

It was made official at a 2013 ST convention.

Apparently, an intentionally bad-looking Galaxy Guest "Fansite" was used to promote the film, even having reviews of episodes that didn't exist.
http://web.archive.org/web/20000819162953/http://www.galaxyquest.com/galaxyquest/

[New haven america]

I'm not joking.

It was made official at a 2013 ST convention.

Paramount owns it, but it's not official Star Trek.

I know.

The joke is that it's not really ST, but for fun, an official ST convention made it "official".

[New haven america]

Welp, looks like Fuller changed from Show-runner and is now an Executive Producer.

Apparently he was only hired to write the start of the series (First 1-3 eps.) and create an story outline/arc for the other writers.

Also, if STD couldn't get anymore unappealing, his semi-replacement (He's not becoming Show-runner, but he has just as much creative control) is Akiva Goldsman. Who's Akiva Goldsman? Let's see if these ring a bell: Batman and Robin, Lost in Space, I,Robot, The Fifth Wave... He worked on all of those scripts...