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Initial Thoughts on Discovery

Love it
56
14%
Like it
92
23%
So-so
114
29%
Dislike it
44
11%
Hate it
90
23%
 
Total votes : 396

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Postby New haven america » Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:51 pm

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If the aliens actually targeted the bridge, their disruptors would blast a hole in the saucer so large you could see all the way to the 'neck' of the ship. The only reason the bridge consoles explode is because, well, they just do. All the time. The shuttle bay gets hit with a torpedo? A console explodes. A vacant living space depressurizes? A console explodes. One of the windows in ten-forward collides with a piece of debris the size of a skin cell? A bridge console explodes, dammit!

But yeah, as Drayxaso said, Trek ships are usually destroyed with a single shot after their shields go down, so we never really see combat sans shields. It would be rather like an intense firefight between tanks without any armor plating.

There was one alternate-timeline episode of Enterprise where the Bridge was definitely targeted after their shields went down ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7LnJPlRrBA ), one episode where it seems the warp nacelle was the first thing targeted after the ship lost hull plating ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eV8qR2IEHk ), and one mirror-universe episode where the first thing targeted after the Defiant's shields went down was the primary hull ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x38EH0PcxQ )but as far as I can recall it generally seems like the warp reactor is the main target after the shields go down (at least I seem to remember hearing "Target their reactor!" more than a few times) which might also explain why ships are destroyed pretty quickly once their shields are gone.

Well, considering the warp reactor is the most volatile and destructive part of the ship, it makes sense to attack the reactor as soon as the shield's go down.
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Postby Drayxaso » Wed Oct 05, 2016 5:36 pm

New haven america wrote:
Brusia wrote:There was one alternate-timeline episode of Enterprise where the Bridge was definitely targeted after their shields went down ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7LnJPlRrBA ), one episode where it seems the warp nacelle was the first thing targeted after the ship lost hull plating ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eV8qR2IEHk ), and one mirror-universe episode where the first thing targeted after the Defiant's shields went down was the primary hull ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x38EH0PcxQ )but as far as I can recall it generally seems like the warp reactor is the main target after the shields go down (at least I seem to remember hearing "Target their reactor!" more than a few times) which might also explain why ships are destroyed pretty quickly once their shields are gone.

Well, considering the warp reactor is the most volatile and destructive part of the ship, it makes sense to attack the reactor as soon as the shield's go down.

I only really remember the enemy targeting the reactor in Enterprise. I don't remember a single time it happened outside Enterprise.
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Postby The Great Devourer of All » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:51 pm

New haven america wrote:Seeing older ST fans and people who started ST through the reboots argue is rather entertaining.


I have to admit, I'm almost as bad. I was introduced to ST through the pre-JJ movies, and it just so happens that the first two films I watched were TMP and Nemesis.

Yeah, that was the entirety of my experience with Star Trek for almost two years. Perhaps that's why I don't think those two movies are as bad as people make them out to be.
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Postby The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:52 pm

The Great Devourer of All wrote:
New haven america wrote:Seeing older ST fans and people who started ST through the reboots argue is rather entertaining.


I have to admit, I'm almost as bad. I was introduced to ST through the pre-JJ movies, and it just so happens that the first two films I watched were TMP and Nemesis.

Yeah, that was the entirety of my experience with Star Trek for almost two years. Perhaps that's why I don't think those two movies are as bad as people make them out to be.

TMP? Which one is that?
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Postby Ameriganastan » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:53 pm

The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster wrote:
The Great Devourer of All wrote:
I have to admit, I'm almost as bad. I was introduced to ST through the pre-JJ movies, and it just so happens that the first two films I watched were TMP and Nemesis.

Yeah, that was the entirety of my experience with Star Trek for almost two years. Perhaps that's why I don't think those two movies are as bad as people make them out to be.

TMP? Which one is that?

The Motion Picture. Or as some prefer, The Slow Motion Picture.
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Postby Narland » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:57 pm

New haven america wrote:
Brusia wrote:There was one alternate-timeline episode of Enterprise where the Bridge was definitely targeted after their shields went down ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7LnJPlRrBA ), one episode where it seems the warp nacelle was the first thing targeted after the ship lost hull plating ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eV8qR2IEHk ), and one mirror-universe episode where the first thing targeted after the Defiant's shields went down was the primary hull ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x38EH0PcxQ )but as far as I can recall it generally seems like the warp reactor is the main target after the shields go down (at least I seem to remember hearing "Target their reactor!" more than a few times) which might also explain why ships are destroyed pretty quickly once their shields are gone.

Well, considering the warp reactor is the most volatile and destructive part of the ship, it makes sense to attack the reactor as soon as the shield's go down.

Not only the warp reactor but the holodecks are the most dangerous form of entertainment known to man--if you want to destroy the federation get everyone into all the holodecks at the same time and let the glitches in the system do the work. :roll:

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Postby Drayxaso » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:00 pm

Narland wrote:
New haven america wrote:Well, considering the warp reactor is the most volatile and destructive part of the ship, it makes sense to attack the reactor as soon as the shield's go down.

Not only the warp reactor but the holodecks are the most dangerous form of entertainment known to man--if you want to destroy the federation get everyone into all the holodecks at the same time and let the glitches in the system do the work. :roll:

You would think the Federation wouldn't have let those glitches go by the safety inspection. I'm surprised there's even an option to turn off the holodeck safeties.
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Postby Drayxaso » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:01 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster wrote:TMP? Which one is that?

The Motion Picture. Or as some prefer, The Slow Motion Picture.

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Neanderthaland wrote:Looks like the DPRK is in need of a new buyer. Someone more aligned to their political philosophy.


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Postby Ameriganastan » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:01 pm

Drayxaso wrote:You would think the Federation wouldn't have let those glitches go by the safety inspection. I'm surprised there's even an option to turn off the holodeck safeties.

The Feds really do need some kind of Space OSHA. Those ships are deathtraps. Especially those consoles.
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Postby The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:01 pm

Narland wrote:
New haven america wrote:Well, considering the warp reactor is the most volatile and destructive part of the ship, it makes sense to attack the reactor as soon as the shield's go down.

Not only the warp reactor but the holodecks are the most dangerous form of entertainment known to man--if you want to destroy the federation get everyone into all the holodecks at the same time and let the glitches in the system do the work. :roll:

And if you have energy beings nearby, you're double-secret-fucked.
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Postby Drayxaso » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:05 pm

The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster wrote:
Narland wrote:Not only the warp reactor but the holodecks are the most dangerous form of entertainment known to man--if you want to destroy the federation get everyone into all the holodecks at the same time and let the glitches in the system do the work. :roll:

And if you have energy beings nearby, you're double-secret-fucked.

Aaaand now I'm thinking of the Space Jellyfish from Farpoint...
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Neanderthaland wrote:Looks like the DPRK is in need of a new buyer. Someone more aligned to their political philosophy.


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Postby Ameriganastan » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:10 pm

Drayxaso wrote:
The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster wrote:And if you have energy beings nearby, you're double-secret-fucked.

Aaaand now I'm thinking of the Space Jellyfish from Farpoint...

You know I've never seen Farpoint? I avoid all of season 1 and most of season 2.
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Postby Drayxaso » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:14 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Drayxaso wrote:Aaaand now I'm thinking of the Space Jellyfish from Farpoint...

You know I've never seen Farpoint? I avoid all of season 1 and most of season 2.

As an over-obsessive Trekkie, I'm making sure I watch every episode and movie.
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Oh, wait. I did see Skin Of Evil. So almost all of season 1.
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Postby Drayxaso » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:19 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:Oh, wait. I did see Skin Of Evil. So almost all of season 1.

Skin of Evil is only in season 1? Hmm. I thought Yar lasted longer than that.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:22 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Drayxaso wrote:Aaaand now I'm thinking of the Space Jellyfish from Farpoint...

You know I've never seen Farpoint? I avoid all of season 1 and most of season 2.


They're not that bad

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Postby The Romulan Republic » Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:42 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Drayxaso wrote:You would think the Federation wouldn't have let those glitches go by the safety inspection. I'm surprised there's even an option to turn off the holodeck safeties.

The Feds really do need some kind of Space OSHA. Those ships are deathtraps. Especially those consoles.


The TOS ships seemed a lot safer, from what I recall.

Still lots of shaking, no seat belts.
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Postby The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster » Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:50 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:Oh, wait. I did see Skin Of Evil. So almost all of season 1.

Damn oil slick...
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Postby Ameriganastan » Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:51 pm

The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Oh, wait. I did see Skin Of Evil. So almost all of season 1.

Damn oil slick...

They should have sent Wesley down there instead.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:53 pm

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Ameriganastan wrote:The Feds really do need some kind of Space OSHA. Those ships are deathtraps. Especially those consoles.


The TOS ships seemed a lot safer, from what I recall.

Still lots of shaking, no seat belts.

From zero to ten thousand times the speed of light in half a second without a problem, but one good jolt from anything and a redshirt breaks his neck. The Federation really needs to invest in some more consistent inertial dampers.
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Wisconsin9 wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:
The TOS ships seemed a lot safer, from what I recall.

Still lots of shaking, no seat belts.

From zero to ten thousand times the speed of light in half a second without a problem, but one good jolt from anything and a redshirt breaks his neck. The Federation really needs to invest in some more consistent inertial dampers.

Or some damn cargo straps. Hell, one little jostle, and Worf got his damn back broke.
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Postby The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster » Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:56 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster wrote:Damn oil slick...

They should have sent Wesley down there instead.

Shut up, Wesley.


Poor Wil, though. He has to live with one of, if not the MOST HATED Star Trek character in history constantly casting his shadow on his career.
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Are we seriously in a dick measuring contest over who has the right to declare law by virtue of the most innocent dead?
Sounds horrible and insensitive.
Proceed.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:58 pm

The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:They should have sent Wesley down there instead.

Shut up, Wesley.


Poor Wil, though. He has to live with one of, if not the MOST HATED Star Trek character in history constantly casting his shadow on his career.

Well, my mom likes him...cause he's on the Big Bang Theory. She thought he was just a character on that show til I explained he's a real guy.
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Postby The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster » Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:01 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster wrote:Shut up, Wesley.


Poor Wil, though. He has to live with one of, if not the MOST HATED Star Trek character in history constantly casting his shadow on his career.

Well, my mom likes him...cause he's on the Big Bang Theory. She thought he was just a character on that show til I explained he's a real guy.

Yeah, he's good there.

I keep hoping I run into him at GenCon.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:07 pm

The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:They should have sent Wesley down there instead.

Shut up, Wesley.


Poor Wil, though. He has to live with one of, if not the MOST HATED Star Trek character in history constantly casting his shadow on his career.

*quickly googles Wheaton to see what else he's been in*

Oh hey, he was that asshole in Eureka! And... the robobrains in New Vegas? Huh.

Honestly, from what little I've seen, it seems like he's a pretty good actor and all around cool guy these days. I think Wesley sort of gets classified as one of those stupid things everyone does when they're a kid.
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