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by La Paz de Los Ricos » Fri May 07, 2021 9:53 am
by Stellar Colonies » Sun May 16, 2021 4:27 pm
Prime Timeline
Possibly the first half of ENT (or none of it), TOS, TNG, DS9, VGR, LDS, PIC
*All the time travel shenanigans in TOS, TNG, DS9, and VGR make this a small stack of timelines which I'm sticking together
First Contact Time Loop
*Bozeman is carpet-bombed by the Borg with some damage and injuries, probably deaths
*Borg debris left at the North Pole for ENT to deal with in Regeneration
* Enterprise-E crew is involved with the first warp flight
*NX-01 inspired by Cochrane's observations of the Enterprise-E in terms of both design and name
ENT creates an explanation for why the Borg is encroaching on the Federation in the 24th century and the Klingons having a different appearance in TOS, so First Contact could simply be some kind of pre-destination loop, making it effectively the same as the Prime timeline
Xindi Attack Timeline
The latter half of ENT (possibly all of it), DSC
*Temporal Cold War-related shenanigans (the TCW was possibly erased in Stormfront, but I think Daniels was referring to the hot war which "started" in Stormfront) result in the Xindi War, an event which Daniels said was not part of his history. Assuming that his history was the Prime timeline, that means at least half of ENT is in a different timeline, and all of it from the very first episode if the Temporal Cold War can be considered to be what split this timeline off from the Prime timeline.
*Changes induced by the Xindi War and TCW result in the USS Kelvin having an appearance more similar to the USS Discovery in DSC than would be expected in the 2230s even before the timeline was split by Nero (that window viewscreen for instance)
*Changes induced by the Xindi War and TCW result in the event/visual/tonal discrepancies between DSC and TOS (only ten years separate the two), ranging from the different design of the USS Enterprise to Section 31 apparently being common knowledge
*This alternate timeline probably skewed through Q's extradimensional fungal garden, explaining...uh...that stuff
If LDS or PIC mention anything regarding the Xindi War or DSC, this would imply that this is the same timeline as the Prime Timeline.
Kelvinverse Timeline
Star Trek: Star Trek, Star Trek: Into Darkness, Star Trek: Beyond
*Kirk was born in space prematurely, has a stepfather with a Nokia-equipped car (impressive feat of PP, Abrams)
*Massive changes in technology and design such as less effective shields (maybe), more effective warp drive, Apple Store aesthetic for Federation ships, different phasers (spittle wads instead of beams)
*Nero destroys multiple Klingon and Federation starships, damages the USS Enterprise, destroys Vulcan, inflicts some damage on Earth
*Transwarp beaming introduced prematurely by Spock
*Section 31 is apparently different, involved in developing and constructing the USS Vengeance
*Khan is recovered prematurely, Pike is killed by him, damages the USS Enterprise, inflicts a certain amount of damage via both a bombing and driving a giant starship through San Francisco
* USS Enterprise destroyed prematurely by Krall (I wonder how that situation with the guy turned out in the Prime and Xindi Attack timelines) and Yorktown damaged (assuming it existed in the Prime and Xindi Attack timelines)
*Different starship designated the Enterprise-A (maybe)
Floofybit wrote:Your desired society should be one where you are submissive and controlled
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Techocracy101010 wrote:If she goes on a rampage those saggy wonders are as deadly as nunchucks
Parmistan wrote:It's not ALWAYS acceptable when we do it, but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.
Distruzio wrote:All marriage outside the Church is gay marriage.
Khardsland wrote:Terrorism in its original definition is a good thing.
I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.
North Californian.
Stellar Colonies is a loose galactic confederacy.
The Confederacy & the WA.
Add 1200 years.
by New haven america » Sun May 16, 2021 5:31 pm
by Vassenor » Mon May 17, 2021 1:22 am
New haven america wrote:Why are you spoilering a series that's 20 years old?
And yes, both the Prime and Kelvin Timelines are the ones where the Xindi attacked Earth. Daniels is the one who comes from a different one.
by Myrensis » Tue May 18, 2021 11:23 pm
Starblaydia wrote:New haven america wrote:Discovery has had it's moments in the first couple of seasons, but Red Angel reveal and the subsequent season have turned me right off it. I'll certainly check out Season 4, but not with any great urgency. Picard, however, was largely a disaster from start to finish and I watched it out of a morbid curiosity as to how it got made and where they were actually going with it.
by Vassenor » Wed May 19, 2021 12:17 am
Myrensis wrote:
Stewart of course agreed to come back only on the condition that they bitch about Brexit, hence the Federation being dragged through the mud, and the septic tank just kept rolling from there.
by New haven america » Wed May 19, 2021 1:01 am
by Twilight Imperium » Wed May 19, 2021 1:12 am
New haven america wrote:Stewart of course agreed to come back only on the condition that they bitch about Brexit, hence the Federation being dragged through the mud, and the septic tank just kept rolling from there.
by Juristonia » Wed May 19, 2021 2:37 am
Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.
Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.
Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.
And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.
by Vassenor » Wed May 19, 2021 6:54 am
Twilight Imperium wrote:New haven america wrote:Stewart of course agreed to come back only on the condition that they bitch about Brexit, hence the Federation being dragged through the mud, and the septic tank just kept rolling from there.
Well, that sure is a way to read those articles. Have you tried reading them without the rage-goggles? I know backing down from internet nerd anger can be hard, but I believe in you!!
by Myrensis » Wed May 19, 2021 12:29 pm
Twilight Imperium wrote:New haven america wrote:Stewart of course agreed to come back only on the condition that they bitch about Brexit, hence the Federation being dragged through the mud, and the septic tank just kept rolling from there.
Well, that sure is a way to read those articles. Have you tried reading them without the rage-goggles? I know backing down from internet nerd anger can be hard, but I believe in you!!
The new show, Stewart says, “was me responding to the world of Brexit and Trump and feeling, ‘Why hasn’t the Federation changed? Why hasn’t Starfleet changed?’ Maybe they’re not as reliable and trustworthy as we all thought.”
Vassenor wrote:Twilight Imperium wrote:
Well, that sure is a way to read those articles. Have you tried reading them without the rage-goggles? I know backing down from internet nerd anger can be hard, but I believe in you!!
You're forgetting that there is to be no political messaging in the show. Just ignore all the episodes with implicit or explicit political messages.
by The Huskar Social Union » Wed May 19, 2021 12:34 pm
by Tarsonis » Wed May 19, 2021 12:56 pm
by The Huskar Social Union » Wed May 19, 2021 1:00 pm
Maybe
by New haven america » Wed May 19, 2021 2:46 pm
Vassenor wrote:Twilight Imperium wrote:
Well, that sure is a way to read those articles. Have you tried reading them without the rage-goggles? I know backing down from internet nerd anger can be hard, but I believe in you!!
You're forgetting that there is to be no political messaging in the show. Just ignore all the episodes with implicit or explicit political messages.
by Stellar Colonies » Wed May 19, 2021 2:49 pm
Floofybit wrote:Your desired society should be one where you are submissive and controlled
Primitive Communism wrote:What bodily autonomy do men need?
Techocracy101010 wrote:If she goes on a rampage those saggy wonders are as deadly as nunchucks
Parmistan wrote:It's not ALWAYS acceptable when we do it, but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.
Distruzio wrote:All marriage outside the Church is gay marriage.
Khardsland wrote:Terrorism in its original definition is a good thing.
I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.
North Californian.
Stellar Colonies is a loose galactic confederacy.
The Confederacy & the WA.
Add 1200 years.
by Twilight Imperium » Wed May 19, 2021 4:01 pm
by Stellar Colonies » Thu May 20, 2021 3:22 pm
Floofybit wrote:Your desired society should be one where you are submissive and controlled
Primitive Communism wrote:What bodily autonomy do men need?
Techocracy101010 wrote:If she goes on a rampage those saggy wonders are as deadly as nunchucks
Parmistan wrote:It's not ALWAYS acceptable when we do it, but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.
Distruzio wrote:All marriage outside the Church is gay marriage.
Khardsland wrote:Terrorism in its original definition is a good thing.
I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.
North Californian.
Stellar Colonies is a loose galactic confederacy.
The Confederacy & the WA.
Add 1200 years.
by Hurdergaryp » Fri May 21, 2021 12:45 pm
by Myrensis » Sun May 23, 2021 2:11 am
by Hurdergaryp » Sun May 23, 2021 3:45 pm
Myrensis wrote:
I feel kind of bad for Riker, I like the character, but he probably should have left after Best of Both Worlds. It's a little awkward to make it a plot point in the show that hanging around on the same ship and passing up command opportunities is damaging his career and reaching the point that he's going to be passed over for more ambitious and driven officers...and then he stays on the Enterprise for another 20 years.
by Ameriganastan » Sun May 23, 2021 3:47 pm
Myrensis wrote:
I feel kind of bad for Riker, I like the character, but he probably should have left after Best of Both Worlds. It's a little awkward to make it a plot point in the show that hanging around on the same ship and passing up command opportunities is damaging his career and reaching the point that he's going to be passed over for more ambitious and driven officers...and then he stays on the Enterprise for another 20 years.
Edward Richtofen wrote:Ameri's so tough that he criticized an Insane Asylum and was promptly let out
Sinovet wrote:Ameri's like Honey badger. He don't give a fuck.
Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity
Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.
Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*
by Tarsonis » Sun May 23, 2021 5:05 pm
Myrensis wrote:
I feel kind of bad for Riker, I like the character, but he probably should have left after Best of Both Worlds. It's a little awkward to make it a plot point in the show that hanging around on the same ship and passing up command opportunities is damaging his career and reaching the point that he's going to be passed over for more ambitious and driven officers...and then he stays on the Enterprise for another 20 years.
by Stellar Colonies » Sun May 23, 2021 5:30 pm
Floofybit wrote:Your desired society should be one where you are submissive and controlled
Primitive Communism wrote:What bodily autonomy do men need?
Techocracy101010 wrote:If she goes on a rampage those saggy wonders are as deadly as nunchucks
Parmistan wrote:It's not ALWAYS acceptable when we do it, but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.
Distruzio wrote:All marriage outside the Church is gay marriage.
Khardsland wrote:Terrorism in its original definition is a good thing.
I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.
North Californian.
Stellar Colonies is a loose galactic confederacy.
The Confederacy & the WA.
Add 1200 years.
by Tarsonis » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:49 pm
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