Scifi TV Discussion Thread

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

The United Federation of "hold my beer, I got this"

I say we plug a warp core into the Earth's inner core and surprise the Vulcans a bit early.

[Stellar Colonies]

The United Federation of "hold my beer, I got this"

In canon, the Federation is the most advanced society in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants when it comes to warp tech, so this is very likely because they just can't accept good enough as good enough.

Yep.

The United Federation of "hold my beer, I got this"

I say we plug a warp core into the Earth's inner core and surprise the Vulcans a bit early.

Or two.

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I haven't watched any DIS episodes yet (because I don't have the streaming service it is on), but it would be hard for me not to know about the new season premier, and thus, the Burn (all the dilithium exploding in the 31^st century or whatever), without shutting out every discussion currently happening about Star Trek.

When I first worked out what exactly this Burn was, I remembered the derelict timeship from the ENT episode "Future Tense" as being from the same century as the disaster, with the damage originating from an explosion within what one of the NX crew speculates could've been a warp core. Since the dilithium in the timeship would've presumably been harvested from the same time the ship was from, whatever caused the dilithium to explode could've been inherent in the crystals and still caused them to explode in the 22^nd century, wrecking the vessel and leaving it to be squabbled over in the ENT episode.

This is either an interesting coincidence or an intentional connection, which may have been more obviously laid out in the DIS episode (although I wouldn't know since I haven't watched it).

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

How does "Sabotage" exist in Star Trek if its release date was smack in the middle of the Eugenics Wars, when the whole world was at war?

[Twilight Imperium]

So, Disco S3 has started. I thought it was fun but very very dumb

[The Huskar Social Union]

So, Disco S3 has started. I thought it was fun but very very dumb

I have not got around to watching it yet. Im debating to watch it episode by episode or save it all up this time around and binge it.

[Ameriganastan]

How does "Sabotage" exist in Star Trek if its release date was smack in the middle of the Eugenics Wars, when the whole world was at war?

I think that just makes it more badass.

[Tarsonis]

How does "Sabotage" exist in Star Trek if its release date was smack in the middle of the Eugenics Wars, when the whole world was at war?

I think that just makes it more badass.

The Beastie Boys are to the Eugenics Wars as CCR is to Vietnam.

[Tarsonis]

So, Disco S3 has started. I thought it was fun but very very dumb

I liked it. I think people just gotta get over that Disco and Picard are a different kind of story. They're more like the Mandalorian or in that they're ST stories that run alongside the main narrative. You're not gonna get the episodic exploration format of the core trek. Instead were getting a protracted story arc.


Lower Decks is more similar to the core trek bodies, in that its story is more episodic, rather than protracted.

Would be nice to get a more classic episodic series going, but I'm not gonna complain that we're getting new trek titles in the mean time.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

So, Disco S3 has started. I thought it was fun but very very dumb

I liked it. I think people just gotta get over that Disco and Picard are a different kind of story. They're more like the Mandalorian or in that they're ST stories that run alongside the main narrative. You're not gonna get the episodic exploration format of the core trek. Instead were getting a protracted story arc.


Lower Decks is more similar to the core trek bodies, in that its story is more episodic, rather than protracted.

Would be nice to get a more classic episodic series going, but I'm not gonna complain that we're getting new trek titles in the mean time.

I haven't seen STD or ST Picard, but I think that their detractors aren't peeved by the shows' protracted nature. After all, lots of their detractors are fans of DS9, which was pretty protracted.

[Tarsonis]

I liked it. I think people just gotta get over that Disco and Picard are a different kind of story. They're more like the Mandalorian or in that they're ST stories that run alongside the main narrative. You're not gonna get the episodic exploration format of the core trek. Instead were getting a protracted story arc.


Lower Decks is more similar to the core trek bodies, in that its story is more episodic, rather than protracted.

Would be nice to get a more classic episodic series going, but I'm not gonna complain that we're getting new trek titles in the mean time.

I haven't seen STD or ST Picard, but I think that their detractors aren't peeved by the shows' protracted nature. After all, lots of their detractors are fans of DS9, which was pretty protracted.

Ironically, DS9 had much of the same criticism when it aired. Mike Chabon caught some flack about saying how he was glad to liss off fans, but people are mischaracterizing his opinions. What he said its good that the shows polarizing because historically all the trek properties have been polarizing, but eventually people get over it and learn to love it. Which is absolutely true.

Trek nerds arguing over how much better TOS was then TNG and vice versa, was arguably a meme in the 80's before social media was even a thing. But now you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who doesn't love them them both now, even if they drew lines back then. Same with Voyager and Enterprise. Even people who swear they hate them still at the very least begrudgingly accept them as part of the universe canon.

I think in similar fashion people will come around to disco, Picard, and even lower decks.

[Ameriganastan]

I think in similar fashion people will come around to disco, Picard, and even lower decks.

HAHAHA!

No.

[Tarsonis]

I think in similar fashion people will come around to disco, Picard, and even lower decks.

HAHAHA!

No.

We shall see.

[Twilight Imperium]

Like I said, I actually liked it, but the episode was barely 20 minutes in and it combined the dumbest apocalypse ever with kissing Michael's ass until it shines.

oh noo all of our dilithium/space gas exploded so all the ships exploded

jeeeeesus

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

Like I said, I actually liked it, but the episode was barely 20 minutes in and it combined the dumbest apocalypse ever with kissing Michael's ass until it shines.

oh noo all of our dilithium/space gas exploded so all the ships exploded

jeeeeesus

Literally,

why does dilithium just explode? Does it have some cosmic countdown? Did the Iconians wire them all to some "dilithium football" button to use against the Federation? I get maybe dilithium mines could have exploded from overmining, maybe torn some holes in some important planets or something, like dumb Praxxis or whatever, but dilithium everywhere just suddenly blowing up?

How about: the Sphere Builders, in their invasion of the Federation, weakened subspace (not to the Federation's immediate knowledge). Starfleet, none the wiser, keeps shooting ships everywhere after the war, and flourishes to the point of comprising, or at least influencing, everything in the galaxy except some far-flung reaches of the Delta Quadrant. After three-hundred or four-hundred years of further destroying subspace (even with those eco-friendly engines they fitted their ships with after Next Gen), some poor old cargo ship becomes the flash point for a massive subspace explosion enveloping most of the galaxy. Anything at warp either vanishes or is tossed into normalspace with the consistency of tissue paper. A galactic hole is turn into subspace, and that dimension is now basically gone for whatever mysterious reason.

FTL-anything is useless, including subspace communication, warp drive (at least, anything above 1c), and even wormholes like the Bajoran or the Barzan. Every planet is essentially stranded in darkness. No-one knows what happened or how to fix it. Starfleet even digs up the old spore drive schematics, but for some reason, can't access the mycelial network.

Enter Discovery, shooting out from the temporal anomaly, stranded in an unfamiliar corner of empty space, suddenly realizing that lightspeed is now their top speed. Blind, they stumble into a lonely Federation colony, to colonists who are equally dumbfounded, and then the rest of the show is them discovering old worlds and piecing together what happened and how to break lightspeed without subspace. The Federation doesn't collapse. Gene Roddenberry's vision isn't tossed out. And it's a somewhat competent exploration of the vast distances of space, which Star Trek kinda glosses over except in Voyager and Enterprise.

[The Cosmic Mainframe]

Like I said, I actually liked it, but the episode was barely 20 minutes in and it combined the dumbest apocalypse ever with kissing Michael's ass until it shines.

oh noo all of our dilithium/space gas exploded so all the ships exploded

jeeeeesus

Literally,

why does dilithium just explode? Does it have some cosmic countdown? Did the Iconians wire them all to some "dilithium football" button to use against the Federation? I get maybe dilithium mines could have exploded from overmining, maybe torn some holes in some important planets or something, like dumb Praxxis or whatever, but dilithium everywhere just suddenly blowing up?

How about: the Sphere Builders, in their invasion of the Federation, weakened subspace (not to the Federation's immediate knowledge). Starfleet, none the wiser, keeps shooting ships everywhere after the war, and flourishes to the point of comprising, or at least influencing, everything in the galaxy except some far-flung reaches of the Delta Quadrant. After three-hundred or four-hundred years of further destroying subspace (even with those eco-friendly engines they fitted their ships with after Next Gen), some poor old cargo ship becomes the flash point for a massive subspace explosion enveloping most of the galaxy. Anything at warp either vanishes or is tossed into normalspace with the consistency of tissue paper. A galactic hole is turn into subspace, and that dimension is now basically gone for whatever mysterious reason.

FTL-anything is useless, including subspace communication, warp drive (at least, anything above 1c), and even wormholes like the Bajoran or the Barzan. Every planet is essentially stranded in darkness. No-one knows what happened or how to fix it. Starfleet even digs up the old spore drive schematics, but for some reason, can't access the mycelial network.

Enter Discovery, shooting out from the temporal anomaly, stranded in an unfamiliar corner of empty space, suddenly realizing that lightspeed is now their top speed. Blind, they stumble into a lonely Federation colony, to colonists who are equally dumbfounded, and then the rest of the show is them discovering old worlds and piecing together what happened and how to break lightspeed without subspace. The Federation doesn't collapse. Gene Roddenberry's vision isn't tossed out. And it's a somewhat competent exploration of the vast distances of space, which Star Trek kinda glosses over except in Voyager and Enterprise.

The cause of the Burn is obviously the season's mystery box, like the Red Angel last season, or even the Spheres back in Enterprise. So the reveals later on could make the concept a bit less dumb. Hopefully it's something more interesting than the Iconians pressing the button on their Dilithium Football.

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

Literally,

why does dilithium just explode? Does it have some cosmic countdown? Did the Iconians wire them all to some "dilithium football" button to use against the Federation? I get maybe dilithium mines could have exploded from overmining, maybe torn some holes in some important planets or something, like dumb Praxxis or whatever, but dilithium everywhere just suddenly blowing up?

How about: the Sphere Builders, in their invasion of the Federation, weakened subspace (not to the Federation's immediate knowledge). Starfleet, none the wiser, keeps shooting ships everywhere after the war, and flourishes to the point of comprising, or at least influencing, everything in the galaxy except some far-flung reaches of the Delta Quadrant. After three-hundred or four-hundred years of further destroying subspace (even with those eco-friendly engines they fitted their ships with after Next Gen), some poor old cargo ship becomes the flash point for a massive subspace explosion enveloping most of the galaxy. Anything at warp either vanishes or is tossed into normalspace with the consistency of tissue paper. A galactic hole is turn into subspace, and that dimension is now basically gone for whatever mysterious reason.

FTL-anything is useless, including subspace communication, warp drive (at least, anything above 1c), and even wormholes like the Bajoran or the Barzan. Every planet is essentially stranded in darkness. No-one knows what happened or how to fix it. Starfleet even digs up the old spore drive schematics, but for some reason, can't access the mycelial network.

Enter Discovery, shooting out from the temporal anomaly, stranded in an unfamiliar corner of empty space, suddenly realizing that lightspeed is now their top speed. Blind, they stumble into a lonely Federation colony, to colonists who are equally dumbfounded, and then the rest of the show is them discovering old worlds and piecing together what happened and how to break lightspeed without subspace. The Federation doesn't collapse. Gene Roddenberry's vision isn't tossed out. And it's a somewhat competent exploration of the vast distances of space, which Star Trek kinda glosses over except in Voyager and Enterprise.

The cause of the Burn is obviously the season's mystery box, like the Red Angel last season, or even the Spheres back in Enterprise. So the reveals later on could make the concept a bit less dumb. Hopefully it's something more interesting than the Iconians pressing the button on their Dilithium Football.

Also

How do portable transporters work? I mean, with a transporter pad, it's typically a fixed presence (by that, I mean that the transporter process always originates from the pad and works with the pad). You step on, the pad converts you into data and beams that to the rematerialization coordinates. The pad does all of that, the conversion, the beaming, the instructions for rematerialization, the works.

So, a portable transporter is then responsible for beaming both you AND itself. That means it needs to disassemble you, the passenger, as well as itself, the machine and the beaming thingy, which means all of its components, the little computer inside, EVERYTHING. But, if the portable transporter is converted to energy, then how does it beam itself to its destination? Does it work like a data siphon, disassembling and sending a small part of the user before then turning off and allowing itself to be pulled along to its destination as it's dematerialized? Is the computer a microscopic chip that doesn't get transported, but instead tells the thing where to beam you before just falling to the ground after you've beamed away? If so, do portable transporters need disposable chips in the same way cameras needed a new flash bulb every time you wanted to take a picture? Am I making any sense?

[Danternoust]

This season looks better than last season, I am more approving of a return of familiarity juxtaposed with new and unique conflicts. (Well, at least in the form of two alien races previously infrequently seen in countless episodes of Star Trek). The tone is not so grating anymore, I hope they found a new creative team to finally put Discovery into its groove. I might actually watch every episode of this season.

The mystery behind the burn could have been done better, but it seems like they finally did it. Season 3 of Discovery is what connects the Star Trek canon to the Star Wars canon. Hover drones, holo chairs, holo tables. Seems to be a better use of CGI than before, won't mind seeing more of the next millennia trek as well.

Wish they would provide an info dump of in universe Discovery somewhere. A montage would be sweet, and there's no need to strictly adhere to episode lengths since it is video on demand only. But it does put the viewer in the same position as the viewer was in the first season of Star Trek.

It is strange that the Federation built ever larger sensor networks, communications arrays, and poof, they're useless now, and everyone quickly switched to a nearly equivalent form of propulsion using trilithium (no love for biryllium? there must be better fictional material names).

It is a minor comedy that one guy stood watch for forty years just to follow in his father's footsteps of a long dead Federation, and life support is easily maintained and he has an infinite source of power for what little he has. So everything is beyond post-scarcity, so what ended everyone's loyalty to the Federation?

[Tarsonis]

Why don't we wait a few episodes before we start pulling at the threads. Chances are we'll get the answers

[Danternoust]

Why don't we wait a few episodes before we start pulling at the threads. Chances are we'll get the answers

Technically since the episode's title includes "Part 1", it isn't a full episode, it is half of one.

[The Cosmic Mainframe]

Why don't we wait a few episodes before we start pulling at the threads. Chances are we'll get the answers

Technically since the episode's title includes "Part 1", it isn't a full episode, it is half of one.

Given that (according to all of the materials I've seen) the next episode is "Far From Home," that might just be the writers trying to be clever.

But we'll see when the next episode comes out.

[Tarsonis]

Why don't we wait a few episodes before we start pulling at the threads. Chances are we'll get the answers

Technically since the episode's title includes "Part 1", it isn't a full episode, it is half of one.

I think Part 1 here really means episode 1. Like how the titles of the last seven episodes of DS9 are "Parts" of the finale.

[Vassenor]

>Unification III

... WELP.

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

"Carter Winston kinda sus, guys."

"No I swear I was in sickbay."

"Yes but I literally saw you turn into a table."

[Gig em Aggies]

just thought about this at work what is the chronological order of all Star Trek movies and Shows combined?

[The Cosmic Mainframe]

just thought about this at work what is the chronological order of all Star Trek movies and Shows combined?

IIRC:
1. Most of Star Trek: First Contact (2064?)
2. Enterprise (2150s)
3. Discovery (2250s)
4. JJ Abrams movies (same time period, alternate reality)
5. Original Series (pilot The Cage takes place before Discovery, rest takes place in the 2260s)
6. Movies 1-6 (2270s through 90s)
7. The Next Generation (2360s)
8. DS9 (2360s and 70s)
9. Star Trek Generations (during season 5? of DS9)
10. Voyager (2360s and 70s)
11. Insurrection and Nemesis
12. Lower Decks (2380s)
13. Picard (2390s)