Scifi TV Discussion Thread

[Nevertopia]

Neat Im Jean-luc PIcard according to the OP's quiz! Something-something The prime directive!

[Tarsonis]

I mean they did the lower decks episode with junior officers, but even they were the top rung, directly mentored by the senior staff. But, honestly this show looks a more accurate representation of ship life than the show ever did.

Life on a 24th century ship shouldn't be the same as life on a modern ship. That'd be like if sailors from the 1700s thought that life on a modern ship would involve endless disease, literal starvation for months on end, and general crustiness, and the occasional "swashbuckle" or two.

I don't doubt your experiences, but no matter how accurate LD may reflect that experience, that's not the experience which has been established to occur on Starfleet vessels.

I'd agree, but historically that's not the case. we have archeological evideenxd of mom jokes dating back to the roman empire. pictures of "The Greatest Generation" pretending bazookas as their dicks. As much as society changes, human nature stays largely the same.

What has been established has been what its like for the Bridge Crew. The whole point is its not about them, its about the lower decks where all the shenanigans happen.

[Gig em Aggies]

Life on a 24th century ship shouldn't be the same as life on a modern ship. That'd be like if sailors from the 1700s thought that life on a modern ship would involve endless disease, literal starvation for months on end, and general crustiness, and the occasional "swashbuckle" or two.

I don't doubt your experiences, but no matter how accurate LD may reflect that experience, that's not the experience which has been established to occur on Starfleet vessels.

I'd agree, but historically that's not the case. we have archeological evideenxd of mom jokes dating back to the roman empire. pictures of "The Greatest Generation" pretending bazookas as their dicks. As much as society changes, human nature stays largely the same.

What has been established has been what its like for the Bridge Crew. The whole point is its not about them, its about the lower decks where all the shenanigans happen.

I bet they were a bunch of red shirts weren't they. Well I can solve they're shenanigans real quick.

[Nevertopia]

If supplied with a limitless supply of redshirts, would a main character effectively be immortal?

[Vassenor]

If supplied with a limitless supply of redshirts, would a main character effectively be immortal?

That's how plot armour works.

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

Life on a 24th century ship shouldn't be the same as life on a modern ship. That'd be like if sailors from the 1700s thought that life on a modern ship would involve endless disease, literal starvation for months on end, and general crustiness, and the occasional "swashbuckle" or two.

I don't doubt your experiences, but no matter how accurate LD may reflect that experience, that's not the experience which has been established to occur on Starfleet vessels.

I'd agree, but historically that's not the case. we have archeological evideenxd of mom jokes dating back to the roman empire. pictures of "The Greatest Generation" pretending bazookas as their dicks. As much as society changes, human nature stays largely the same.

What has been established has been what its like for the Bridge Crew. The whole point is its not about them, its about the lower decks where all the shenanigans happen.

There won't be just humans serving in Starfleet. I'd imagine that, over time, the general nature of humans serving aboard starships would change? If anything, I'd expect the last remnants of mom jokes and bazooka (photonic torpedo?) dicks would have died out by Archer's time.

I mean, every Starfleet officer, at any point in time, may have to act as a representative for the whole of Starfleet. So, I'd imagine that, the general demeanor of Starfleet personal would change to reflect that? I mean, not every species gets Earth humor.

Am I making any sense here? I could probably word that better.

And even so, we've seen examples of what serving in the "lower decks" would look like. And as far as we've seen, it isn't like what Kurtzman and McMahan seem to think it is.

[The New California Republic]

There won't be just humans serving in Starfleet. I'd imagine that, over time, the general nature of humans serving aboard starships would change?

Possibly. I'd like to think that some of the je ne sais quoi of each species would rub off on us, but by the same measure I'd expect it would be similar contrariwise. I can't imagine that all other species would be so aloof or so stubborn as to not engage in various human activities, such as sports or reading books by Earth authors etc.

[Ameriganastan]

What has been established has been what its like for the Bridge Crew. The whole point is its not about them, its about the lower decks where all the shenanigans happen.

You can do shenanigans without turning the show into a complete mockery of itself.

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

What has been established has been what its like for the Bridge Crew. The whole point is its not about them, its about the lower decks where all the shenanigans happen.

You can do shenanigans without turning the show into a complete mockery of itself.

It's the blast shield, it's the blast shield! It goes down and it goes up, blast shield!

[The Alma Mater]

If supplied with a limitless supply of redshirts, would a main character effectively be immortal?

Do note that relatively redshirts had a better survival rate than most other crewmembers - just because there were so damn many of them.

But plotarmour indeed is strong.

[Nevertopia]

If supplied with a limitless supply of redshirts, would a main character effectively be immortal?

Do note that relatively redshirts had a better survival rate than most other crewmembers - just because there were so damn many of them.

But plotarmour indeed is strong.

so being a redshirt is simultaneously the best and worst character to be?

[Bralia]

In terms of pure, unadulterated quality, I've never actually thought about the #2 SG-1 until now. #1 has always been The Fifth Race, but I don't think I've thought about a full top 5 before. #2 . . . it's gotta be Threshold.

Which is amusing considering how beloved a similarly titled episode in the Star Trek franchise is.

[Gig em Aggies]

well total brain fart but do you think the Star Wars franchise would be better if they filmed it like this for the entire movie. I saw this clip on Facebook and liked it alot.

https://youtu.be/1IHgTf7KYFo

[The Alma Mater]

Do note that relatively redshirts had a better survival rate than most other crewmembers - just because there were so damn many of them.

But plotarmour indeed is strong.

so being a redshirt is simultaneously the best and worst character to be?

As long as you stay away from the bridge crew, you are quite safe. The closer you get however....
And never go on an away mission if you are the only one.

[Myrensis]

I mean, I've SEEN threats to Roddenberry's vision with discovery and picard, but that trailer was the most viscerally dangerous piece of NuTrek media these guys have put out.

I'm not looking forward to Kurtzman's new "expanded universe".

So what makes DSC and PIC threats to Rod's vision, but the darker parts of DS9 weren't?

Because while DS9 explored some darker themes, like all the other older series it still remained fundamentally optimistic about a better future for a humanity that had gotten it's shit together and solved most of the problems we know in the modern day.

While Discovery and Picard are much more "Nope, the future will be shit, humanity will always be violent and xenophobic and miserable and suffer from all the same problems forever...but we'll have shinier weapons to slaughter eachother and the aliens with, so there's that!"

I was cringing so hard I almost strained something when Picard was being lectured about being a rich white man in his ivory tower gated community by the struggling poor woman of color. Because, ya know, the Federation just being modern day America with laser guns has always been a central theme of Star Trek.

Well, no, I take that back, the Federation it turns out isworse than modern America. I'm pretty sure if an asteroid hit Beijing tomorrow and killed millions of people, even the reddest of states wouldn't be threatening to secede if the Federal government dared to lift a finger to help those filthy Chinamen.

[Ameriganastan]

I was cringing so hard I almost strained something when Picard was being lectured about being a rich white man in his ivory tower gated community by the struggling poor woman of color. Because, ya know, the Federation just being modern day America with laser guns has always been a central theme of Star Trek.

...Did that really happen?

[The Alma Mater]

I was cringing so hard I almost strained something when Picard was being lectured about being a rich white man in his ivory tower gated community by the struggling poor woman of color.

Well..were they wrong?
But Startrek indeed always was political. Hence why it had a white man and a black woman kiss, added a Russian on the bridge and had engineering be run by handicapped people (be that missing a finger or being blind).

[Myrensis]

I was cringing so hard I almost strained something when Picard was being lectured about being a rich white man in his ivory tower gated community by the struggling poor woman of color.

Well..were they wrong?

According to everything in Star Trek that came before, yes.

But apparently not in Kurtzmann's version of Star Trek where the Federation is just 2020 America with spaceships.

Yes, Trek has always been political, but it was always done from the perspective of a better humanity reacting to it. When you did have Federation people behaving badly they were always clearly presented as outliers and the antagonists.

Like, the whole point of the interracial kiss, the Russian crewmember, the 'handicapped' Engineers, etc, was that none of that meant anything in the Federation/Starfleet. Nobody cared who you kissed, where you came from, and technology rendered those physical defects irrelevant.

If Alex Kurtzmann had been in charge of previous Star Trek McCoy would have denounced Kirk as a race traitor for that kiss, Spock would have demanded that Chekov be reported to the House Un-Federation Activities Committee, and Geordi would have committed suicide after being relentlessly mocked and tormented by the rest of the crew for being a cripple. Cuz, ya know, muh gritty realism.

[The Archregimancy]

The Federation? Reactionary doofuses. Doofi?

This would depend on whether 'doofus' is a second declension masculine noun or not.

Most Latin nouns ending in -us are indeed second declension, and therefore would take the plural ending -i. However, some third declension neuter nouns also end in -us (eg opus, plural opera), and some fourth declension nouns - both masculine and feminine - similarly end in -us (eg tribus, plural tribūs).

Since both men and women can be a doofus, my recommendation is to treat it as a third declension neuter noun; the plural would therefore be 'doofera': 'the Federation? Reactionary doofera'.




Anyone pointing out that 'doofus' isn't attested in North American English until the 1960s, and I am therefore simply making things up, will of course be cheerfully ignored.

[Vassenor]

I was cringing so hard I almost strained something when Picard was being lectured about being a rich white man in his ivory tower gated community by the struggling poor woman of color.

Well..were they wrong?
But Startrek indeed always was political. Hence why it had a white man and a black woman kiss, added a Russian on the bridge and had engineering be run by handicapped people (be that missing a finger or being blind).

Pretty sure Scotty wasn't missing the same finger that Doohan was. Like he gets a hand double in certain scenes.

[Twilight Imperium]

The Federation? Reactionary doofuses. Doofi?

This would depend on whether 'doofus' is a second declension masculine noun or not.
[snip for brevity]
Anyone pointing out that 'doofus' isn't attested in North American English until the 1960s, and I am therefore simply making things up, will of course be cheerfully ignored.

I was actually operating under the assumption that it was one of those Greek-patterned words that operates under strange declension rules. Rome had plenty of doofs, but they hardly invented them.

[Tarsonis]

The Federation? Reactionary doofuses. Doofi?

This would depend on whether 'doofus' is a second declension masculine noun or not.

Most Latin nouns ending in -us are indeed second declension, and therefore would take the plural ending -i. However, some third declension neuter nouns also end in -us (eg opus, plural opera), and some fourth declension nouns - both masculine and feminine - similarly end in -us (eg tribus, plural tribūs).

Since both men and women can be a doofus, my recommendation is to treat it as a third declension neuter noun; the plural would therefore be 'doofera': 'the Federation? Reactionary doofera'.




Anyone pointing out that 'doofus' isn't attested in North American English until the 1960s, and I am therefore simply making things up, will of course be cheerfully ignored.

.. i need a martinus

[The Huskar Social Union]

Watched the first episode of The Lower Decks. Thought it was decent, had a laugh.

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

Welp, today's the day.

Here's hoping it won't be the zany slapstick depressing trash-garbage-crapfest I'm expecting it to be.

[Crysuko]

Welp, today's the day.

Here's hoping it won't be the zany slapstick depressing trash-garbage-crapfest I'm expecting it to be.

you're giving them too much credit, it'll be a zany slapstick depressing trash-garbage-crapfest with memes