Scifi TV Discussion Thread

[Tarsonis]

Why be the host when you can be the symbiont?

No, thank you. I'm not gonna spend 500 years looking like the aftermath of a four-course meal at Taco Bell. They don't even get leopard spots.

I'd rather take my chances as a Trill.

but they do get the spots, they get all the spots of all the hosts they connect with. You're talking about wanting practical immortality, when you can have actual immortality.

[New haven america]

Why be the host when you can be the symbiont?

No, thank you. I'm not gonna spend 500 years looking like the aftermath of a four-course meal at Taco Bell. They don't even get leopard spots.

I'd rather take my chances as a Trill.

*20,000 years

[Twilight Imperium]

No, thank you. I'm not gonna spend 500 years looking like the aftermath of a four-course meal at Taco Bell. They don't even get leopard spots.

I'd rather take my chances as a Trill.

but they do get the spots, they get all the spots of all the hosts they connect with. You're talking about wanting practical immortality, when you can have actual immortality.

Would you rather live life as an immortal slug or a mortal vulcanoid? It's a tricky question.

[Tarsonis]

but they do get the spots, they get all the spots of all the hosts they connect with. You're talking about wanting practical immortality, when you can have actual immortality.

Would you rather live life as an immortal slug or a mortal vulcanoid? It's a tricky question.

You guys are forgetting that the mersonalities merge. Yeah you're slug, but you essentially become every host

[Mirjt]

Would you rather live life as an immortal slug or a mortal vulcanoid? It's a tricky question.

You guys are forgetting that the mersonalities merge. Yeah you're slug, but you essentially become every host

The way I view it is that the symbiont's personality, memories, and consciousness merges with its hosts and when it moves on to the next host it takes with it the changes to its personality, its new memories, and a part of the host's consciousness as well.

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

Would you rather live life as an immortal slug or a mortal vulcanoid? It's a tricky question.

Not really tricky. The immortal slug is relegated to spending its whole life in either the pools of milky water in an underground cavern or inside the belly of a host. Neither sounds very appealing to me.

You guys are forgetting that the mersonalities merge. Yeah you're slug, but you essentially become every host

So basically I'd just be a sheet of blank paper for the big scary vulcanoids to imprint their minds and memories on? No thanks, I'm not gonna get used like that for...

*20,000 years

...that many years.

The way I view it is that the symbiont's personality, memories, and consciousness merges with its hosts and when it moves on to the next host it takes with it the changes to its personality, its new memories, and a part of the host's consciousness as well.

Yeah, and live a life confined to basically living out the experiences of other people? When there's a whole galaxy just waiting for me to explore as a four-limbed, two-thumbed Trill? Again, no thanks.

Besides, didn't STP basically insinuate that people can just be immortal now?

Y'know, "mind transfer"? The whole "golem" thing? I mean, the one they put Picard in had to basically be modified to have a normal lifespan, right? I'm thinking, be born as a Trill in 2399, then live out a few decades in my mortal body, and then once the Federation seizes poor old Altan's research and starts mass-produces golems for everybody to be immortal with, I'll just go get my mind imprinted into one of them, and then bam!

No need to worry about my impending doom any longer! And I still get the cool leopard spots!

[Mirjt]

Would you rather live life as an immortal slug or a mortal vulcanoid? It's a tricky question.

Not really tricky. The immortal slug is relegated to spending its whole life in either the pools of milky water in an underground cavern or inside the belly of a host. Neither sounds very appealing to me.

You guys are forgetting that the mersonalities merge. Yeah you're slug, but you essentially become every host

So basically I'd just be a sheet of blank paper for the big scary vulcanoids to imprint their minds and memories on? No thanks, I'm not gonna get used like that for...

*20,000 years

...that many years.

The way I view it is that the symbiont's personality, memories, and consciousness merges with its hosts and when it moves on to the next host it takes with it the changes to its personality, its new memories, and a part of the host's consciousness as well.

Yeah, and live a life confined to basically living out the experiences of other people? When there's a whole galaxy just waiting for me to explore as a four-limbed, two-thumbed Trill? Again, no thanks.

Besides, didn't STP basically insinuate that people can just be immortal now?

Y'know, "mind transfer"? The whole "golem" thing? I mean, the one they put Picard in had to basically be modified to have a normal lifespan, right? I'm thinking, be born as a Trill in 2399, then live out a few decades in my mortal body, and then once the Federation seizes poor old Altan's research and starts mass-produces golems for everybody to be immortal with, I'll just go get my mind imprinted into one of them, and then bam!

No need to worry about my impending doom any longer! And I still get the cool leopard spots!

This would be a fun topic for a survey, which do people think is more desirable: life as a Trill Humanoid or life as a Trill Symbiont?

[Brusia]

Honestly, if it's just immortality you're after, you can probably pick nearly any species and just replicate that transporter accident in "Rascals" every century or so; should do the trick

[Mirjt]

Would you rather live life as an immortal slug or a mortal vulcanoid? It's a tricky question.

Not really tricky. The immortal slug is relegated to spending its whole life in either the pools of milky water in an underground cavern or inside the belly of a host. Neither sounds very appealing to me.

You guys are forgetting that the mersonalities merge. Yeah you're slug, but you essentially become every host

So basically I'd just be a sheet of blank paper for the big scary vulcanoids to imprint their minds and memories on? No thanks, I'm not gonna get used like that for...

*20,000 years

...that many years.

The way I view it is that the symbiont's personality, memories, and consciousness merges with its hosts and when it moves on to the next host it takes with it the changes to its personality, its new memories, and a part of the host's consciousness as well.

Yeah, and live a life confined to basically living out the experiences of other people? When there's a whole galaxy just waiting for me to explore as a four-limbed, two-thumbed Trill? Again, no thanks.

Besides, didn't STP basically insinuate that people can just be immortal now?

Y'know, "mind transfer"? The whole "golem" thing? I mean, the one they put Picard in had to basically be modified to have a normal lifespan, right? I'm thinking, be born as a Trill in 2399, then live out a few decades in my mortal body, and then once the Federation seizes poor old Altan's research and starts mass-produces golems for everybody to be immortal with, I'll just go get my mind imprinted into one of them, and then bam!

No need to worry about my impending doom any longer! And I still get the cool leopard spots!

So basically immortality, so long as you are fine with your consciousness being moved from body to body, is no longer a factor in choosing what species to reincarnate into, as anyone can be immortal. The Federation humanoids are becoming more like the Q all the time (I wonder if the Q we are familiar with has already met future Picard in the year 5 billion). Also, that means that Data did not have to die. Data wanted to experience what it would be like to have a finite lifespan because humans do, but humans may not have a definitive finite lifespan anymore. Also I don't buy the argument that life is only precious because it is finite, just look at the Q (regardless of what the suicidal Q said).

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

This would be a fun topic for a survey, which do people think is more desirable: life as a Trill Humanoid or life as a Trill Symbiont?

If there's ever gonna be a second Trek thread, I'll be sure to make that the poll.

Honestly, if it's just immortality you're after, you can probably pick nearly any species and just replicate that transporter accident in "Rascals" every century or so; should do the trick

Nope. The transporter freaks me out. You'll never catch me in one of those body destroyers.

I'm gonna stick with my other plan, with one amendment.

Instead of getting transferred into a golem, just wait until Starfleet finds out how to implant a consciousness into a hologram. Think of it. The ability to change your appearance at will, being able to turn off whenever you don't want to deal with reality.

Oh, and I can basically say anything I want, and nobody can punch me.

And I still get to keep the spots!

So basically immortality, so long as you are fine with your consciousness being moved from body to body, is no longer a factor in choosing what species to reincarnate into, as anyone can be immortal. The Federation humanoids are becoming more like the Q all the time (I wonder if the Q we are familiar with has already met future Picard in the year 5 billion). Also, that means that Data did not have to die. Data wanted to experience what it would be like to have a finite lifespan because humans do, but humans may not have a definitive finite lifespan anymore. Also I don't buy the argument that life is only precious because it is finite, just look at the Q (regardless of what the suicidal Q said).

Yeah. Escaping mortality is basically my end goal. The idea of non-existence freaks me out to no end. But I also want to have the Trill spots.

Basically I just need to figure out my priorities, then I'll reincarnate.

[Tarsonis]

Would you rather live life as an immortal slug or a mortal vulcanoid? It's a tricky question.

Not really tricky. The immortal slug is relegated to spending its whole life in either the pools of milky water in an underground cavern or inside the belly of a host. Neither sounds very appealing to me.

You guys are forgetting that the mersonalities merge. Yeah you're slug, but you essentially become every host

So basically I'd just be a sheet of blank paper for the big scary vulcanoids to imprint their minds and memories on? No thanks, I'm not gonna get used like that for...

*20,000 years

...that many years.

The way I view it is that the symbiont's personality, memories, and consciousness merges with its hosts and when it moves on to the next host it takes with it the changes to its personality, its new memories, and a part of the host's consciousness as well.

Yeah, and live a life confined to basically living out the experiences of other people? When there's a whole galaxy just waiting for me to explore as a four-limbed, two-thumbed Trill? Again, no thanks.

Besides, didn't STP basically insinuate that people can just be immortal now?

Y'know, "mind transfer"? The whole "golem" thing? I mean, the one they put Picard in had to basically be modified to have a normal lifespan, right? I'm thinking, be born as a Trill in 2399, then live out a few decades in my mortal body, and then once the Federation seizes poor old Altan's research and starts mass-produces golems for everybody to be immortal with, I'll just go get my mind imprinted into one of them, and then bam!

No need to worry about my impending doom any longer! And I still get the cool leopard spots!

on the contrary it'd be the other way around. You'd be the sum of every personality you've ever inhabited, a collective if you will. And each vulcanoid would add their distinctiveness to your own. They'd adapt to service you.

[The New California Republic]

Geoff Collard, from Paulton in Somerset, has spent 500 hours recreating the bridge set from Star Trek: The Next Generation.

His model has won praise from Star Trek fans for its realism.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-englan ... bridge-set

[Ameriganastan]

Thing I discovered today: The guy who played Professor Galen in "The Chase" is still kicking at 105 years old.

[Mirjt]

Note: I haven't read any of the books or played the games so if these questions are already answered then disregard the following.

What do you think happened to the Founders and the Dominion after the Dominion War? What is the current political status and state of the Dominion? What is the current relationship of the Dominion with the Federation and the other Alpha Quandrant Powers? What happened when the "female changeling" completed their sentence at a Federation Penal Colony? Did Odo ever get to see Kira again? Do the changelings have federation embassies now? What has the sharing of knowledge between the Dominion and the Alpha Quadrant powers contributed to their mutual understanding of all four quadrants of the galaxy? Did Laas have any success in forming a new link with the other 98 changeling "infants" spread out across all 4 quadrants? Etc...

[New haven america]

Note: I haven't read any of the books or played the games so if these questions are already answered then disregard the following.

What do you think happened to the Founders and the Dominion after the Dominion War? What is the current political status and state of the Dominion? What is the current relationship of the Dominion with the Federation and the other Alpha Quandrant Powers? What happened when the "female changeling" completed their sentence at a Federation Penal Colony? Did Odo ever get to see Kira again? Do the changelings have federation embassies now? What has the sharing of knowledge between the Dominion and the Alpha Quadrant powers contributed to their mutual understanding of all four quadrants of the galaxy? Did Laas have any success in forming a new link with the other 98 changeling "infants" spread out across all 4 quadrants? Etc...

Canon? Well the 4 Horseman of the Trekpocalypse probably haven't seen DS9, so nothing probably happened to them.

Going off Memory Beta? In the late 2370's (Round the time of Voyager), they tried getting the Progenitor (Which was the oldest Changeling and possible creator of The Founders) as well as the other 100 to come back to them after experiencing the grief Odo went through being alone for so long on their recon mission/experiment, but it died after getting murdered by the Ascendants, a religious race from the Gamma Quadrant that makes the Bajorans look liberal. This caused such a massive anguish within the species that >3/4 of them left The Great Link to help personally find the other 100 as well as allow them to rethink their position in the galaxy and how they operate The Dominion.

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

Geoff Collard, from Paulton in Somerset, has spent 500 hours recreating the bridge set from Star Trek: The Next Generation.

His model has won praise from Star Trek fans for its realism.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-englan ... bridge-set

I'm surprised CBS hasn't taken him to court for violating Discovery canon, or something else unreasonable like that. But that is incredible, jokes aside, I respect his effort and applaud the result.

Thing I discovered today: The guy who played Professor Galen in "The Chase" is still kicking at 105 years old.

"I was out creating the galaxy when your grandfather was in still diapers." Good for him!

Note: I haven't read any of the books or played the games so if these questions are already answered then disregard the following.

What do you think happened to the Founders and the Dominion after the Dominion War? What is the current political status and state of the Dominion? What is the current relationship of the Dominion with the Federation and the other Alpha Quandrant Powers? What happened when the "female changeling" completed their sentence at a Federation Penal Colony? Did Odo ever get to see Kira again? Do the changelings have federation embassies now? What has the sharing of knowledge between the Dominion and the Alpha Quadrant powers contributed to their mutual understanding of all four quadrants of the galaxy? Did Laas have any success in forming a new link with the other 98 changeling "infants" spread out across all 4 quadrants? Etc...

My headcanon is that the Dominion was either balkanized or fully disbanded after the Founders lost their power over it at the end of the war. I mean, it was basically and empire subjugating a bunch of culturally dissimilar worlds, right? So, unless it managed to basically copy the Federation's way of governance, it probably would have fallen apart under the weight of all those different races and cultures. In its stead, the territory the Dominion held is split among all of the worlds and alliances subjugated under its rule. The following decades would probably see the Federation mitigating cultural and political disputes through the Gamme Quadrant, as Starfleet wants desperately to assert itself within the region.

The Founders would still hold some cultural significance (y'know, the whole "gods" thing), but considering they allowed the Dominion to lose the war, they would likely have lost all political significance.

So, the Federation moves into the neighborhood, and without Weyoun, Damar, Dukat, and the other goons to wreak havoc upon them, they now have the ability to expand into the Gamma Quadrant. Former Dominion-allied worlds probably would either set out to rebuild themselves after the fall of the Dominion alone, or seek the help of others by forming small alliances, or even turning to the Federation.

The changelings have probably returned to a state of isolation. After they'd signed all the treaties, attended all the summits, and finalized the agreements over the consequences of the war, I'd bet that they just decided that dealing with the rest of the galaxy wouldn't be worth it. "I mean, look at what happened the last time we tried," they'd say. So, the galaxy's superpowers sign an agreement to let them be, on their own little corner of the cosmos.

Bajor achieves political relevance across the Alpha Quadrant following the war. They can't (and don't) join the Federation, but they establish a close political relationship with the Federation. Bajor and Cardassia never really mend ties, and ultimately dissociate from each other entirely. The bad blood runs too deep to ever recover. Even if the Bajorans embrace forgiveness, it's possible the Federation won't, and as long as Bajor associates itself with the Federation, Cardassia is not allowed to associate itself politically with the Bajorans.

Now, the Federation has set foot in all four quadrants of the galaxy, but was still groping its way in the dark when it came to the Delta, Gamma Quadrant (and arguably the Beta Quadrant). So, back to the status-quo, as the Federation relaxes its militaristic policies in favor of getting more pioneers out there to map the unknown.

Ignoring STO and STP and the Season Three trailers for Discovery, I'd say the Federation would continue to grow as a galactic superpower, now armed with the lessons the Borg and Dominion have taught them.

That is, until the fall of Romulus, but that's a can of gagh for another time.

As for the characters, uh, I dunno, I guess they're all fine, yeah

[Auristania]

Would you rather live life as an immortal slug or a mortal vulcanoid? It's a tricky question.

Not really tricky. The immortal slug is relegated to spending its whole life in either the pools of milky water in an underground cavern or inside the belly of a host. Neither sounds very appealing to me.

You guys are forgetting that the mersonalities merge. Yeah you're slug, but you essentially become every host

Symbiote is a slug, it is NOT a person.

Data, EMH, Lore, Rick Fontayne, Jadzia, Ezri are all persons.

STNG, the Slug was the person and the body was NOT a person, but they retconned that in DS9.

If there had been episodes which showed the slugs to be persons, then I would accept it. But those episodes were banned or not even made.

Likewise the Crystalline Entity that genocided Data's homeworld. It is a dangerous thing, the vengeful mother who killed it did a righteous act. Data whinged that Crystalline Entity was a person. This was tell don't show and even if it were a person it was a mass murderer who must be stopped.


x

[Ameriganastan]

Symbiote is a slug, it is NOT a person.

Data, EMH, Lore, Rick Fontayne, Jadzia, Ezri are all persons.

STNG, the Slug was the person and the body was NOT a person, but they retconned that in DS9.

If there had been episodes which showed the slugs to be persons, then I would accept it. But those episodes were banned or not even made.

Oh, I almost missed your uninformed and incorrect babbling, Auristania. First off, the Symbiotes are fully sentient beings. Sure they're slugs, but they have cognizant thought which ergo, makes them people.

Second, the Trill from "The Host" may as well be a different species. Cause it bears zero in common with the way they were presented on DS9 and so on.

And lastly, no episode has ever been banned. Cripes.

[Bralia]

Rewatching Stargate for what I think it the third time since joining this thread. I'm finally going to be able to watch disc 2 of Season 1, my old dog chewed on that disc AGES ago and I finally gave in and just bought the individual episodes here on my computer. Looking forward to Cold Lazarus, I always liked that one.

[Twilight Imperium]

Rewatching Stargate for what I think it the third time since joining this thread. I'm finally going to be able to watch disc 2 of Season 1, my old dog chewed on that disc AGES ago and I finally gave in and just bought the individual episodes here on my computer. Looking forward to Cold Lazarus, I always liked that one.

SG1 is fantastic, but this is the Star Trek thread, chummer.

[Ameriganastan]

Rewatching Stargate for what I think it the third time since joining this thread. I'm finally going to be able to watch disc 2 of Season 1, my old dog chewed on that disc AGES ago and I finally gave in and just bought the individual episodes here on my computer. Looking forward to Cold Lazarus, I always liked that one.

SG1 is fantastic, but this is the Star Trek thread, chummer.

This thread is for whatever half-decent sci-fi series with no thread people choose to talk about. We talk about The Orville when that's on, they like Stargate, there was a brief Babylon 5 period...

[Bralia]

Rewatching Stargate for what I think it the third time since joining this thread. I'm finally going to be able to watch disc 2 of Season 1, my old dog chewed on that disc AGES ago and I finally gave in and just bought the individual episodes here on my computer. Looking forward to Cold Lazarus, I always liked that one.

SG1 is fantastic, but this is the Star Trek thread, chummer.

No, this is the Stargate thread.

[Vassenor]

SG1 is fantastic, but this is the Star Trek thread, chummer.

No, this is the Stargate thread.

No, this is Patrick.

[Bralia]

Oh yeah, Cold Lazarus definitely brought back the nostalgia. Even better than what I remembered. Apart from the emotional story, Teal's trying to take his staff weapon out of the base because he saw America on TV is still a gold moment in the series.

[Tarsonis]

Rewatching Stargate for what I think it the third time since joining this thread. I'm finally going to be able to watch disc 2 of Season 1, my old dog chewed on that disc AGES ago and I finally gave in and just bought the individual episodes here on my computer. Looking forward to Cold Lazarus, I always liked that one.

SG1 is fantastic, but this is the Star Trek thread, chummer.

It started that way, but we discuss all non SW Scifi here