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Initial Thoughts on Discovery

Love it
56
14%
Like it
92
23%
So-so
114
29%
Dislike it
44
11%
Hate it
90
23%
 
Total votes : 396

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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:20 am

Myrensis wrote:
Tarsonis wrote: Except they knew where that ship was and weren't getting blasted to hell by a cloaked Warbird.

I mean Kirk and Sulu didn't fire randomly into infinite space hoping to get a hit, they suffered the damage until they had a tracking torpedo. Riker did a similar thing here, so similar they reusused the photage of the Bird of Prey blowing up.


The Bird of Prey was not cloaked though, it was sitting right in front of them. The technobabble solution was actually forcing it to cloak and therefore drop its shields.

Here is literally the only shot Riker fired before that, while the BoP continued hammering the Enterprise:
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Right it's been a while since I saw Generations. Anyway going back and watching the scene there's a throw away line from a Klingon Bridgd Officer saying "Our Shields are Holding" which implies that the enterprise is returning fire, but it's happening off camera.
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Postby Auristania » Fri May 08, 2020 4:49 pm

Picard et in Arcadia ego.

Eldritch Abominations clamber through the Portal until Picard Speech, then Abominations all go back to R'lyeh.

If only HP Lovecraft had known about Picard Speech, he would have written romantic Comic Opera.

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Postby Juristonia » Fri May 08, 2020 5:31 pm

wut
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Postby The Cosmic Mainframe » Fri May 08, 2020 5:38 pm

Juristonia wrote:wut

what are you responding to with "wut?"
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Postby Auristania » Sat May 09, 2020 1:45 pm

Star Trek Picard is a sequel Sci Fi TV show reprising Patrick Stewart, as Captain Picard in Star Trek the Next Generation, yet another Sci Fi TV show.

If you are still having problems with grasping this difficult concept of Sci Fi TV shows, and or sequels please consult TV Tropes, Computing Forever, Steve Shives, Lindsay Ellis, MauLer etc etc etc.

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Postby The Cosmic Mainframe » Sat May 09, 2020 1:47 pm

Auristania wrote:Star Trek Picard is a sequel Sci Fi TV show reprising Patrick Stewart, as Captain Picard in Star Trek the Next Generation, yet another Sci Fi TV show.

If you are still having problems with grasping this difficult concept of Sci Fi TV shows, and or sequels please consult TV Tropes, Computing Forever, Steve Shives, Lindsay Ellis, MauLer etc etc etc.

It really bugs me that you put Lindsay Ellis and Steve Shives on the same list as Computing Forever and MauLer.

We all know what Star Trek Picard is, don't worry. We all understand it's a sci-fi TV show. Who are you addressing this to?
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Postby Morrdh » Sat May 09, 2020 6:34 pm

So got an idea for a Trek story, but not sure on how I'll do it format wise; RP, fan fic or something else.

Basic premise is Trek meets Down Periscope.

Set during the Dominion War and with Starfleet hurting for personnel, an officer with a poor record gets landed with the command of a training ship. Reasoning being that it would free up more experienced officers for the front line, give cadets a bucket load of practical training and allow normal peacetime operations to be maintained.

The ship I'm thinking is an old Excelsior-class that is overdue for a refit, though said refit is rather low on the priority list as shipyards are being used to repair battle damaged vessels. Likewise, the cadets are about average in ability but Starfleet needs bodies in uniform. Most of the officers/instructors on the ship likewise don't have shining records or have been pulled off the retiree/auxiliary list.

As I said, not sure on what format to do for it...may do it as a RP if there is enough interest.
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Postby Jedi Council » Sun May 10, 2020 1:57 am

Morrdh wrote:So got an idea for a Trek story, but not sure on how I'll do it format wise; RP, fan fic or something else.

Basic premise is Trek meets Down Periscope.

Set during the Dominion War and with Starfleet hurting for personnel, an officer with a poor record gets landed with the command of a training ship. Reasoning being that it would free up more experienced officers for the front line, give cadets a bucket load of practical training and allow normal peacetime operations to be maintained.

The ship I'm thinking is an old Excelsior-class that is overdue for a refit, though said refit is rather low on the priority list as shipyards are being used to repair battle damaged vessels. Likewise, the cadets are about average in ability but Starfleet needs bodies in uniform. Most of the officers/instructors on the ship likewise don't have shining records or have been pulled off the retiree/auxiliary list.

As I said, not sure on what format to do for it...may do it as a RP if there is enough interest.


Star Trek RPs are very hard to so right. Because it is such a hierarchical system contained within a small space, there is not a lot of room for characters to take the initiative or interact apart from what the Captain orders. In the two I have been involved in, they fell apart largely because the player who took the role of Captain could not keep up, and could not keep creating orders and story lines to keep the crew engaged.

If we can solve that problem, it would make it much easier
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Postby Morrdh » Sun May 10, 2020 8:32 am

Jedi Council wrote:
Morrdh wrote:So got an idea for a Trek story, but not sure on how I'll do it format wise; RP, fan fic or something else.

Basic premise is Trek meets Down Periscope.

Set during the Dominion War and with Starfleet hurting for personnel, an officer with a poor record gets landed with the command of a training ship. Reasoning being that it would free up more experienced officers for the front line, give cadets a bucket load of practical training and allow normal peacetime operations to be maintained.

The ship I'm thinking is an old Excelsior-class that is overdue for a refit, though said refit is rather low on the priority list as shipyards are being used to repair battle damaged vessels. Likewise, the cadets are about average in ability but Starfleet needs bodies in uniform. Most of the officers/instructors on the ship likewise don't have shining records or have been pulled off the retiree/auxiliary list.

As I said, not sure on what format to do for it...may do it as a RP if there is enough interest.


Star Trek RPs are very hard to so right. Because it is such a hierarchical system contained within a small space, there is not a lot of room for characters to take the initiative or interact apart from what the Captain orders. In the two I have been involved in, they fell apart largely because the player who took the role of Captain could not keep up, and could not keep creating orders and story lines to keep the crew engaged.

If we can solve that problem, it would make it much easier


Yeah, was thinking of making the Captain an NPC and have people play the cadets or lower ranking officers.
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Postby Tarsonis » Sun May 10, 2020 12:56 pm

Morrdh wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:
Star Trek RPs are very hard to so right. Because it is such a hierarchical system contained within a small space, there is not a lot of room for characters to take the initiative or interact apart from what the Captain orders. In the two I have been involved in, they fell apart largely because the player who took the role of Captain could not keep up, and could not keep creating orders and story lines to keep the crew engaged.

If we can solve that problem, it would make it much easier


Yeah, was thinking of making the Captain an NPC and have people play the cadets or lower ranking officers.


The ethos of ST is discovery. I think a proper ST RP would have to run like a DnD set up. 0ne person is the DM, and the rest are the crew. You could still have a person play the captain, but like the DM they'd have to be fully committed. And the hierarchical structure would be a unique test of a person's RP ability, limiting their actions to the confines of the context.
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Postby Jedi Council » Sun May 10, 2020 12:59 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Morrdh wrote:
Yeah, was thinking of making the Captain an NPC and have people play the cadets or lower ranking officers.


The ethos of ST is discovery. I think a proper ST RP would have to run like a DnD set up. 0ne person is the DM, and the rest are the crew. You could still have a person play the captain, but like the DM they'd have to be fully committed. And the hierarchical structure would be a unique test of a person's RP ability, limiting their actions to the confines of the context.


This is the issue I have run into.

The only other alternative I see is it being set in a Colony or Space Station large enough for players to develop their own relations and plot lines.
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Postby Tarsonis » Sun May 10, 2020 7:58 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
The ethos of ST is discovery. I think a proper ST RP would have to run like a DnD set up. 0ne person is the DM, and the rest are the crew. You could still have a person play the captain, but like the DM they'd have to be fully committed. And the hierarchical structure would be a unique test of a person's RP ability, limiting their actions to the confines of the context.


This is the issue I have run into.

The only other alternative I see is it being set in a Colony or Space Station large enough for players to develop their own relations and plot lines.


Deep space 31
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Postby Juristonia » Fri May 15, 2020 10:39 am

So apparently we're getting yet another ST show.
A Pike one this time.

https://intl.startrek.com/news/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-anson-mount-rebecca-romijn-ethan-peck-cbs-all-access

On the one hand, yay.
On the other, STD, Picard, Section 31 still in the works. They might be over killing it a bit.
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Damn, Huskar. Stop being so fast.
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Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.

Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby La Paz de Los Ricos » Fri May 15, 2020 10:46 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Captain Pike, Lieutenant Spock, and Number One Return for STAR TREK: STRANGE NEW WORLDS

New show coming that will focus on Captain Pike.


Yeah, why are they rebooting all the characters which have already been rebooted? Especially the new Spock, it just seems so disrespectful to keep going with this new Spock after Leonard Nimoy passed.
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La Paz de Los Ricos wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Captain Pike, Lieutenant Spock, and Number One Return for STAR TREK: STRANGE NEW WORLDS

New show coming that will focus on Captain Pike.


Yeah, why are they rebooting all the characters which have already been rebooted? Especially the new Spock, it just seems so disrespectful to keep going with this new Spock after Leonard Nimoy passed.

I dont think it is disrespectful. Nothing wrong with having new actors play old characters. And apparently enough people wanted it so.

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Hah thats what she said.



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Postby La Paz de Los Ricos » Fri May 15, 2020 10:54 am

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La Paz de Los Ricos wrote:
Yeah, why are they rebooting all the characters which have already been rebooted? Especially the new Spock, it just seems so disrespectful to keep going with this new Spock after Leonard Nimoy passed.

I dont think it is disrespectful. Nothing wrong with having new actors play old characters. And apparently enough people wanted it so.

Juristonia wrote:Damn, Huskar. Stop being so fast.
Hah thats what she said.

Wait.


Yeah, but if they were gonna keep going with rebooting Star Trek, they should have just kept the Kelvin Timeline going. By Nimoy's passing, we already knew and loved Zachary Quinto, and there had been an official "passing the torch" between Nimoy and Quinto in 2009.

If Pine hadn't wanted so much money, we would've gotten a fourth film after Beyond. Considering Beyond was so good, it seems like the Kelvin Timeline was finding its own footing when they just cancelled it. Reminds me a bit of Enterprise...

I mean, don't get me wrong, more Anson Mount would be awesome, but it feels a bit weird to keep going with this new premise of semi-rebooting the Prime Timeline.

Morrdh wrote:So got an idea for a Trek story, but not sure on how I'll do it format wise; RP, fan fic or something else.

Basic premise is Trek meets Down Periscope.

Set during the Dominion War and with Starfleet hurting for personnel, an officer with a poor record gets landed with the command of a training ship. Reasoning being that it would free up more experienced officers for the front line, give cadets a bucket load of practical training and allow normal peacetime operations to be maintained.

The ship I'm thinking is an old Excelsior-class that is overdue for a refit, though said refit is rather low on the priority list as shipyards are being used to repair battle damaged vessels. Likewise, the cadets are about average in ability but Starfleet needs bodies in uniform. Most of the officers/instructors on the ship likewise don't have shining records or have been pulled off the retiree/auxiliary list.

As I said, not sure on what format to do for it...may do it as a RP if there is enough interest.


Also this sounds hella cool.
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I wish we got a star trek 4 from the kelvin movies. Beyond was such a surprisingly fun movie.
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The Huskar Social Union wrote:I wish we got a star trek 4 from the kelvin movies. Beyond was such a surprisingly fun movie.


One of my favorite Trek productions of all time. I remember watching Beyond in the theater and having a huge dumb grin plastered on my face the whole time. All the actors was really stepping into their roles, the adventure was uniquely Trek, overall it just really felt like the original spirit of Trek was making a return. You could really see that the movie was made with love. Also had such beautiful send-offs for both Nimoy and Yelchin.

So, when compared to that masterpiece, I hope you'll forgive my vengeful loathing for Discovery.
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Postby New haven america » Fri May 15, 2020 1:17 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Captain Pike, Lieutenant Spock, and Number One Return for STAR TREK: STRANGE NEW WORLDS

New show coming that will focus on Captain Pike.

Well Captain Pike was one of the best parts of STD season 2 so who knows, this might actually be wort-

The series premiere was written by Akiva Goldsman (with the story by Akiva Goldsman, Alex Kurtzman and Jenny Lumet). Goldsman, Kurtzman and Lumet will serve as executive producers


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New haven america wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Captain Pike, Lieutenant Spock, and Number One Return for STAR TREK: STRANGE NEW WORLDS

New show coming that will focus on Captain Pike.

Well Captain Pike was one of the best parts of STD season 2 so who knows, this might actually be wort-

The series premiere was written by Akiva Goldsman (with the story by Akiva Goldsman, Alex Kurtzman and Jenny Lumet). Goldsman, Kurtzman and Lumet will serve as executive producers


Never fucking mind.

lol knew that would be your reaction
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Postby New haven america » Fri May 15, 2020 1:18 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:I wish we got a star trek 4 from the kelvin movies. Beyond was such a surprisingly fun movie.

We are getting a ST 4 though.

Just not the original time travel one involving Chris Hemsworth.
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New haven america wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:I wish we got a star trek 4 from the kelvin movies. Beyond was such a surprisingly fun movie.

We are getting a ST 4 though.

Just not the original time travel one involving Chris Hemsworth.

Are they making another movie?
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Postby New haven america » Fri May 15, 2020 1:24 pm

La Paz de Los Ricos wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:I dont think it is disrespectful. Nothing wrong with having new actors play old characters. And apparently enough people wanted it so.

Hah thats what she said.

Wait.


Yeah, but if they were gonna keep going with rebooting Star Trek, they should have just kept the Kelvin Timeline going. By Nimoy's passing, we already knew and loved Zachary Quinto, and there had been an official "passing the torch" between Nimoy and Quinto in 2009.

If Pine hadn't wanted so much money, we would've gotten a fourth film after Beyond. Considering Beyond was so good, it seems like the Kelvin Timeline was finding its own footing when they just cancelled it. Reminds me a bit of Enterprise...

I mean, don't get me wrong, more Anson Mount would be awesome, but it feels a bit weird to keep going with this new premise of semi-rebooting the Prime Timeline.

Morrdh wrote:So got an idea for a Trek story, but not sure on how I'll do it format wise; RP, fan fic or something else.

Basic premise is Trek meets Down Periscope.

Set during the Dominion War and with Starfleet hurting for personnel, an officer with a poor record gets landed with the command of a training ship. Reasoning being that it would free up more experienced officers for the front line, give cadets a bucket load of practical training and allow normal peacetime operations to be maintained.

The ship I'm thinking is an old Excelsior-class that is overdue for a refit, though said refit is rather low on the priority list as shipyards are being used to repair battle damaged vessels. Likewise, the cadets are about average in ability but Starfleet needs bodies in uniform. Most of the officers/instructors on the ship likewise don't have shining records or have been pulled off the retiree/auxiliary list.

As I said, not sure on what format to do for it...may do it as a RP if there is enough interest.


Also this sounds hella cool.

Actually the reason the original ST 4 got canceled was because Chris P. was annoyed that everyone would be taking a substantial pay cut to fund Chris H.'s return, who in turn would be the higher earner despite only having previously appeared for 3 minutes in 09.

TBH, I have no idea why Chris H. is so in demand, he's only been in like 2 good movies, and has the worst saga in the MCU, so... It's because he's hot, isn't it?

Also, Bad Robot probably couldn't wait to bastardize the Prime Timeline.
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