Scifi TV Discussion Thread

[Tarsonis]

Yo.

Aisha Tyler ftw

[Tarsonis]

I gotta say, ST09 really is one of the best ST movies.

[Auristania]

According to Memory Alpha:

As someone who played football in high school, and am completely bored by it on TV or in the stands, I can totally understand where Bakula was coming from.

It sets up an episode: Archer uses the entire ship's water supply to play polo.
Dog pisses in the water. Crew get sick and need clean water. They come to a planet, BUT locals have plague and will only sell water in return for cure.

Archer has crisis of conscience will he slaughter his crew to uphold Star-fleet principles that have not been invented yet?

OR locals want MONEY for the water, so Archer refuses OR locals want guns so Archer refuses. OR locals are hungry and want meat so T'Pol refuses

[New haven america]

I think the lack of replies is getting to them, cause that's one of the weaker ideas they've put out.

[Grenartia]

I think the lack of replies is getting to them, cause that's one of the weaker ideas they've put out.

Indeed. Totally goes against Archer's character, for one. There's no way he'd recklessly endanger the ship like that. If it were sentient, he'd probably marry the damn thing. Though, to be fair, that'd be a better romance plot than that thing with the psychic deer, and that tryst with Hernandez on the mountain.

Second, he literally just recycled the plot of Dear Doctor, and threw in recycled bits of Acquisition, and Shadows of P'Jem (and I'm sure half a dozen other episodes in similar vein). At least the last idea was original.

[Bralia]

Two new things that stood out upon a second rewatch of TNG:

I noticed that Rob(ert) Knepper was in an episode. I probably wouldn't have noticed if I hadn't somewhat recently watched the Orville episode where he starred as the religious head of the worldship about to fly into a star. I've always enjoyed seeing that actor, he's the only reason I managed to not suffer terribly when watching Haven, it was an awful episode.

And in Angel One, the episode with male terrorists who ABSOLUTELY deserved the death penalty, the very next place that the Enterprise flew off to was the ISIS system. I just thought that was a remarkable coincidence.

[Prosorusiya]

So here’s a few questions for y’all to chew on:

1. What, properly speaking, should the department color for a historian be? Some cannon sources say red, like McGyvers in TOS although she technically had a separate duty as a phaser gunner according to the script. Some TNG sources point towards the blue sciences department... but then you run into the issue of is history a science? Really the writers probably should have made that the “research” department of Starfleet more tha science but hey hindsight.

2. If you were Starfleet, let’s say TNG era, and wanted to send a ship to do a sociological/Historical/archeological mission, what class ship would you send? I think one could make arguments for either Oberth or Miranda... the poor old Oberth though so little detailed shots of it (where’s the shuttlebay, even?), so many onscreen explosions.

3. Why is it that Starfleet officers are so weirdly inconsistently ignorant of history sometimes? Like in the “Big Goodbye”, which I recently watched, why was it that people were vaguely aware of the 1940s and gangsters having existed... yet were like “car? What is a car?”... even though the car existed before and long after the period in question and the word as used to mean wheeled vehicle has been used before automobiles were invented and probably will be for long afterwards ?

[Wallenburg]

2. If you were Starfleet, let’s say TNG era, and wanted to send a ship to do a sociological/Historical/archeological mission, what class ship would you send? I think one could make arguments for either Oberth or Miranda... the poor old Oberth though so little detailed shots of it (where’s the shuttlebay, even?), so many onscreen explosions.

I don't think there's any excuse to put humans on an Oberth class, give the archaeologists a damned chance at least.

3. Why is it that Starfleet officers are so weirdly inconsistently ignorant of history sometimes? Like in the “Big Goodbye”, which I recently watched, why was it that people were vaguely aware of the 1940s and gangsters having existed... yet were like “car? What is a car?”... even though the car existed before and long after the period in question and the word as used to mean wheeled vehicle has been used before automobiles were invented and probably will be for long afterwards ?

Something something overworked/uninvested writers. Star Trek has handled RL history in ups and downs.

[Tarsonis]

So here’s a few questions for y’all to chew on:

1. What, properly speaking, should the department color for a historian be? Some cannon sources say red, like McGyvers in TOS although she technically had a separate duty as a phaser gunner according to the script. Some TNG sources point towards the blue sciences department... but then you run into the issue of is history a science? Really the writers probably should have made that the “research” department of Starfleet more tha science but hey hindsight.

History is a social science. But beyond that really ST tends to ignore the "historian" profession and instead emphasizes archeologists who are as far as I'm aware a type of scientist. So blue really.

2. If you were Starfleet, let’s say TNG era, and wanted to send a ship to do a sociological/Historical/archeological mission, what class ship would you send? I think one could make arguments for either Oberth or Miranda... the poor old Oberth though so little detailed shots of it (where’s the shuttlebay, even?), so many onscreen explosions.

How about the Olympia Class?

3. Why is it that Starfleet officers are so weirdly inconsistently ignorant of history sometimes? Like in the “Big Goodbye”, which I recently watched, why was it that people were vaguely aware of the 1940s and gangsters having existed... yet were like “car? What is a car?”... even though the car existed before and long after the period in question and the word as used to mean wheeled vehicle has been used before automobiles were invented and probably will be for long afterwards ?

As it's already been said bad writing. Really it's a clumsy way of showing how "Advanced" ST is, even though ST Nemesis and ST09 pretty much shredded the idea that there are no more automobiles. ST Voyager also had a car episode.

[Pax Nerdvana]

I'm halfway through TOS S2. I watched Friday's Child and The Deadly Years.

[Ifreann]

Happy 66th birthday to Colm Meany, the best damn engineer in Star Fleet.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Happy 66th birthday to Colm Meany, the best damn engineer in Star Fleet.

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YO O'BRIEN

[Ism]

Happy 66th birthday to Colm Meany, the best damn engineer in Star Fleet.

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Geordi La Forge right now

[Ameriganastan]

Happy 66th birthday to Colm Meany, the best damn engineer in Star Fleet.

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Geordi La Forge right now

Next to O'Brien he is. Geordi had a super smart android sidekick and worked on a state of the art ship. O'Brien kept a ramshackle hodgepodge of Fed-Cardi tech up and running almost single-handed.

[Ism]

Geordi La Forge right now

Next to O'Brien he is. Geordi had a super smart android sidekick and worked on a state of the art ship. O'Brien kept a ramshackle hodgepodge of Fed-Cardi tech up and running almost single-handed.

Are you saying that understanding the functions of and how to fix state of the art technology is unimpressive? Because that's rather silly. And yeah, O'Brien kept DS9 running, but I don't think anyone can say that was more, or less, challenging than Geordi's work on the Enterprise.

[The Rich Port]

Joined a lovely Star Trek Discord server

Surprisingly, very chaste. Which, yeah, if you think about it, really fuckin' weird.

Got to work changing that by flirting with literally every Klingon I can find.

The server is baffled by my behavior, then realized "Oh right there's A LOT OF SEX IN STAR TREK WHAT THE HELL?!"

[Tarsonis]

Joined a lovely Star Trek Discord server

Surprisingly, very chaste. Which, yeah, if you think about it, really fuckin' weird.

Got to work changing that by flirting with literally every Klingon I can find.

The server is baffled by my behavior, then realized "Oh right there's A LOT OF SEX IN STAR TREK WHAT THE HELL?!"

Umm k

[New haven america]

Happy 66th birthday to Colm Meany, the best damn engineer in Star Fleet.

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I enjoy this picture simply because it was taken from the episode where they have an entire hit squad after them.

[Grenartia]

Joined a lovely Star Trek Discord server

Surprisingly, very chaste. Which, yeah, if you think about it, really fuckin' weird.

Got to work changing that by flirting with literally every Klingon I can find.

The server is baffled by my behavior, then realized "Oh right there's A LOT OF SEX IN STAR TREK WHAT THE HELL?!"

Weird flex, but ok.

[Ameriganastan]

Next to O'Brien he is. Geordi had a super smart android sidekick and worked on a state of the art ship. O'Brien kept a ramshackle hodgepodge of Fed-Cardi tech up and running almost single-handed.

Are you saying that understanding the functions of and how to fix state of the art technology is unimpressive? Because that's rather silly. And yeah, O'Brien kept DS9 running, but I don't think anyone can say that was more, or less, challenging than Geordi's work on the Enterprise.

I say it is. I'm not saying Geordi is a bad engineer or nothing. But working on the then new hotness of the Federation with an elite crew (And Barclay) definitely looked easier than keeping DS9 from falling apart around their ears. Heck, he's gone for one episode and the place turns to shit.

[Tarsonis]

Are you saying that understanding the functions of and how to fix state of the art technology is unimpressive? Because that's rather silly. And yeah, O'Brien kept DS9 running, but I don't think anyone can say that was more, or less, challenging than Geordi's work on the Enterprise.

I say it is. I'm not saying Geordi is a bad engineer or nothing. But working on the then new hotness of the Federation with an elite crew (And Barclay) definitely looked easier than keeping DS9 from falling apart around their ears. Heck, he's gone for one episode and the place turns to shit.

Not to mention Geordi was on a full Fed Ship where everything worked proper. The Cardassian and Federation tech on DS9 were not compatible, so O'Brien had the enviable task of figuring out how to make two incompatible technologies work together. Just the fact that he was able to do that, is more impressive than anything Geordi had to do.

[Ifreann]

Happy 66th birthday to Colm Meany, the best damn engineer in Star Fleet.

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I enjoy this picture simply because it was taken from the episode where they have an entire hit squad after them.

These things happen sometimes when you try to go for a few pints on an alien planet.

[Grenartia]

I enjoy this picture simply because it was taken from the episode where they have an entire hit squad after them.

These things happen sometimes when you try to go for a few pints on an alien planet.

Speaking of pints, down one for Clive.

[Pax Nerdvana]

I watched Obsession yesterday. One of the best episodes so far.

[Prosorusiya]

2. If you were Starfleet, let’s say TNG era, and wanted to send a ship to do a sociological/Historical/archeological mission, what class ship would you send? I think one could make arguments for either Oberth or Miranda... the poor old Oberth though so little detailed shots of it (where’s the shuttlebay, even?), so many onscreen explosions.

I don't think there's any excuse to put humans on an Oberth class, give the archaeologists a damned chance at least.

3. Why is it that Starfleet officers are so weirdly inconsistently ignorant of history sometimes? Like in the “Big Goodbye”, which I recently watched, why was it that people were vaguely aware of the 1940s and gangsters having existed... yet were like “car? What is a car?”... even though the car existed before and long after the period in question and the word as used to mean wheeled vehicle has been used before automobiles were invented and probably will be for long afterwards ?

Something something overworked/uninvested writers. Star Trek has handled RL history in ups and downs.

True that... I kinda wonder if that particular bit of laziness wasn’t a fiat of Gene, I can’t remember any mention of “derp what’s a car” after he wasn’t involved anymore with the show. Yeah I personally agree with the head cannon that the Oberth is really a civilian designed and built ship that Starfleet just happens to operate... which sounds about right for a research ship. They do seem to appear with worrying frequency in fleet battles, given their penchant to explode. Some people try to justify this as them acting as AWACS but I’m skeptical of that... Starfleet sensors are already stupid good, so there really isn’t any need for that.

Starfleet doesn’t even have the excuse of Star Wars & the GR-75s, where the Rebels fleet needed a lot of auxiliaries because they had no base, so god knows what the Oberth at Wolf-359 was doing. But then that was very much an ad hoc throw everything at the Borg we’ve got thing.